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babylonsister

(171,092 posts)
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 08:58 AM Aug 2012

"Democrats are practically giddy, unable to believe their good fortune."

Posted with permission.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/08/11/13231472-romney-ryan-2012?lite


Romney-Ryan 2012
By Steve Benen
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Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:18 AM EDT


As a rule, when your opponents seem really happy about your choice in running mates, it's fair to say you've made a provocative choice.

And this morning, Democrats are practically giddy, unable to believe their good fortune.

Three different sources close to the Romney campaign indicate to NBC News that Mitt Romney will announce House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan as his vice-presidential running mate at tomorrow's campaign event in Norfolk, VA.

The announcement will be in front of the U.S.S. Wisconsin -- which just happens to be Ryan's home state.

With recent national polls showing Romney trailing President Barack Obama, Ryan is a bold pick.


"Bold" is certainly one way to look at it.

Readers may recall that I tend to think running-mate choices fall into one of three categories: Augusts, Novembers, and Januaries. If a nominee picks a January, he or she is looking for someone who can help govern once inaugurated. If he or she picks a November, the nominee is picking a running mate intended to help win the general election. And if the candidate picks an August, he or she is trying to bring a party together and satisfy intra-party demands.

Paul Ryan is an August.
Romney, who never quite made the transition from the primaries to the general election, has been subjected to heavy pressure from conservatives to choose the right-wing House member, and it appears the lobbying campaign was successful. The Republican nominee still feels the need to satisfy the demands of his base, and Romney isn't in a strong enough position to disappoint them.

As a result, both the left and right have the Republican running mate they hoped for -- Romney has picked the architect of a radical, Medicare-crushing budget plan, debated by the least popular Congress since the dawn of modern polling. Indeed, it's fair to say the radical Ryan budget helped make this Congress so widely disliked, which makes his VP nomination that much more remarkable.

For months, Democrats have been trying to inject the "Romney-Ryan plan" into the political bloodstream, and now, the Republicans' presidential candidate has made Dems' job easier. The Obama campaign hoped to make Ryan Romney's effective running mate, never expecting the GOP candidate to make this literal.

The result is a dynamic that was hard to predict. Romney isn't even trying to reach out to moderate voters; he's taking the most far-right candidacy in modern American history and turning it to 11.

Postscript: Just as an aside, this will be the first Republican ticket in American history not to have a Protestant. Romney's a Mormon and Ryan is Roman Catholic.
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"Democrats are practically giddy, unable to believe their good fortune." (Original Post) babylonsister Aug 2012 OP
Rmoney is not even trying to reach moderates... russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #1
He's succeeding... rocktivity Aug 2012 #17
Voters should be told what they about to lose Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2012 #2
Interesting idea, there. CrispyQ Aug 2012 #3
Democrats underestimate his political skills at their peril - Ezra Klein Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #4
I'm hopeful they will be taking that into consideration. nt babylonsister Aug 2012 #5
Likable? Decent-seeming? Zoeisright Aug 2012 #7
Huh? brush Aug 2012 #9
Moderates voted for this creep? tigereye Aug 2012 #19
I like Ezra a lot, and he is sharp Cosmocat Aug 2012 #20
success in a moderate district in Wisconsin does not translate to nationwide appeal. DCBob Aug 2012 #26
Ryan is already trying to figure out how to become President ASAP formercia Aug 2012 #6
Was the battleship significant - its a moth balled out of date relic... Historic NY Aug 2012 #8
Either the Rs know they are going to lose, or they know the fix is in. There is tblue37 Aug 2012 #10
yes, possible they're thinking that this positions Ryan for 2016. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #12
I think the fix is in. qwlauren35 Aug 2012 #22
It's all part of Norquist's "Working digits" plan... just like Bush. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #11
This is it... What is hanging over America like a sword. freshwest Aug 2012 #15
Dems should not be giddy until the Voter suppression is totally corrected and reversed. glinda Aug 2012 #13
Scary thought Z_California Aug 2012 #16
Very possible. They already do that to some degree. This would just be the final nail. glinda Aug 2012 #21
I know I am. It's a gift!!! #ThankYouMitt! The disconnect on twitter with the Kahuna Aug 2012 #14
Ultra meets Ultra dsteve01 Aug 2012 #18
They better not fuck it up this time... and-justice-for-all Aug 2012 #23
K&R Tarheel_Dem Aug 2012 #24
I'm not. DFW Aug 2012 #25

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
4. Democrats underestimate his political skills at their peril - Ezra Klein
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:37 AM
Aug 2012
He’s very quick on his feet, and he’s got a lot of experience explaining his plans to skeptical audiences. He’s also a likable and, while I don’t know him very well personally, decent-seeming guy. He’s repeatedly won reelection in a moderate district. Democrats underestimate his political skills at their peril.

Ezra Klein

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/11/paul-ryan-will-be-mitt-romneys-vice-presidential-pick-heres-seven-thoughts-on-what-that-means/

brush

(53,871 posts)
9. Huh?
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 11:06 AM
Aug 2012

I don't know about that. He was in trouble in his district for re-election. This pick is a Godsend for Ryan, not so much for Rmoney. Seniors take note, these two want to get rid of Medicare and Social Security. And women take note Romney already said he's going to get rid of Planned Parenthood.

tigereye

(39,919 posts)
19. Moderates voted for this creep?
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:06 PM
Aug 2012

Incredible. This pick made me angry enough to send more money to Obama and the Dems, and to come over here after not visiting for quite some time.

Also I don't think Dems should celebrate too much - it's only August, but I bet lots of money will be donated today to them.

Cosmocat

(14,573 posts)
20. I like Ezra a lot, and he is sharp
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:22 PM
Aug 2012

Obviously he was impressed with him.

I have not been.

I have seen him fold when his constituents really put it to him about his budget, and I saw a horrible interview when the interviewer said everyone knew he wanted to cut taxes, but wanted Ryan to say what he would do economically and with the budget beyond cutting taxes - he babbled for 15 seconds before talking about tax cuts for a minute and a half.

The Rs, and by extension the "liberal" media fawn over him because he looks good and can do what every other republican half wit can do - babble about cutting taxes and spending for a half minute.

Yes, he does seem likeable.

But, he is a fraud. Like Reagen, like Bush II, like Palin, like Christy. Someone who the right makes into what it wants him or her to be even if it does not stand to reality.

Put him in THIS fishbowl, and after the 2-3 week media circle jerk, when he has to answer to voting for all of bush's disasters, when he has to explain how his "serious" budget does not balance until 2028 while having trillions in tax cuts for the rich, when he has to tell the country how his budget is the framework to destroy SS and medicare - it will come crashing down.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
26. success in a moderate district in Wisconsin does not translate to nationwide appeal.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 11:01 PM
Aug 2012

He has zero appeal to minorities or women or liberal moderates. He is uninspiring and boring and appears too immature and naive to be VP, let alone President.

formercia

(18,479 posts)
6. Ryan is already trying to figure out how to become President ASAP
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 10:33 AM
Aug 2012

It's dangerous to embolden a sociopath.

tblue37

(65,488 posts)
10. Either the Rs know they are going to lose, or they know the fix is in. There is
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 11:13 AM
Aug 2012

NO WAY Ryan would be chosen if the Republican power brokers expected to actually have a real contest for the presidency.

If they expect to lose, then Ryan can be allowed to save face with being chosen for this "last" campaign, and they can excite the extreme RW base and get them to the polls to vote for House and Senate candidates.

If they know the fix is in, with voter suppression tactics and electronic vote hacking, then they figure that they might as well get everything they want right away, not just some of what they want.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
12. yes, possible they're thinking that this positions Ryan for 2016.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 11:23 AM
Aug 2012

Groovy. A libertarian, tea bagger, billionaire-kissin', president. Just what America needs... to plunge it into a third world country status.

qwlauren35

(6,150 posts)
22. I think the fix is in.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:09 PM
Aug 2012

Democrats will need twice as many ads. Ads for their candidates (or against the opponents) AND ads for how to circumvent voter suppression. Either without the other dooms the race.

And we don't have enough money for this.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
11. It's all part of Norquist's "Working digits" plan... just like Bush.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 11:22 AM
Aug 2012
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/13/grover-norquist-speech-cpac.html

"All we have to do is replace Obama. ... We are not auditioning for fearless leader. We don't need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. ... We just need a president to sign this stuff."

This needs to be out there, far and wide, this is why it's Romney/Ryan. Romney is the Trojan Horse.. Ryan is Cheney.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
13. Dems should not be giddy until the Voter suppression is totally corrected and reversed.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 11:28 AM
Aug 2012

What occurred to me this morning is that the Republicans can say anything they want out front including they will kill your dog and if they win due to fraudulent and mean practices, they can just say, "people wanted this and this is why we won".
I am not relieved at all and in fact feel quite the opposite.

Kahuna

(27,311 posts)
14. I know I am. It's a gift!!! #ThankYouMitt! The disconnect on twitter with the
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 11:38 AM
Aug 2012

beltway pundits was glaring. They actually believed this was a game changer that would be good for mittens. Since the explosion in tweets from Dems, they aren't so sure any more.

dsteve01

(312 posts)
18. Ultra meets Ultra
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:02 PM
Aug 2012

Ultra Elitist Wall Streeter meets ultra ideological austerity budgeteer.
Yeah, that's a buddy film. Then maybe an election ticket.

and-justice-for-all

(14,765 posts)
23. They better not fuck it up this time...
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:10 PM
Aug 2012

They get complete control over all, they better pass legislation like mad!

DFW

(54,437 posts)
25. I'm not.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 10:55 PM
Aug 2012

We do not live in era when the Republican party is being represented by the likes of Dwight Eisenhower and Nelson Rockefeller. We live in an era when they are represented by Scott Walker and Louie Gohmert.

Jimmy Carter probably breathed a sigh of relief when Reagan was nominated, too. We know better now, but they still have a billion dollar advertising advantage plus another billion in free propaganda from Fox Noise and National Hate Radio, not to mention systematic voter disenfranchisement. We're prepared for it all this time, but just because the polls are to our liking now, they do not mean we can all tune out and watch videos until November. We'll win this, but it won't be for free.

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