2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAll MSNBC Commentators Are Giving Debate to Hillary Rodham Clinton (Tweetie Equivocated)
changed post to reflect Tweetie's apparent flip-flop. He did say Bernie won but also said he sounded like a revolutionary. Good luck on The Revolution
Drudge gave her a poor score however
MADem
(135,425 posts)Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)I'm surprised he didn't declare the entire debate a false flag operation because Ben Gazzie.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Polls and internet seem to disagree.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)i totally am not.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)oasis
(49,423 posts)Roy Ellefson
(279 posts)except internet polls on a self selecting population do have meaning...there are no random samples to use in a case like this
ChimpersMcSmirkers
(3,328 posts)nt
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)the party of science.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)when he bailed her out of the email question.
That will stick in the minds of everybody who was introduced to him for the first time tonight.
One Man Stands Alone
(26 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,631 posts)I knew the long knives would come out.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,220 posts)though it shouldn't have. What he said was true and important.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Not gonna let that comment stand.
SHE is far more right than any Democrat should be.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)Now it's the go to for Bernie supporters.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Except DU.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Same as the "all fifty states!" variety.
Hillary did very well. She did what she needed to do tonight.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)Lyric
(12,675 posts)Not a good predictor of reality unless the only people who matter are under 30.
Each person is one vote.
You'll see this in the end.
riversedge
(70,322 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)I see thousands of people expressing their opinions.
You would be supporting the poll if any of them agreed with you.
But as I said... CNN, CNN's support group, Facebook, Slate, Time, HuffPo and several other polls gave the debate HANDILY to Bernie... all between 70%-85%.
Not even close.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Z_California
(650 posts)I must be on the wrong Internet.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)debate she will be the assumed winner of the debate.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)How . . . did we watch the same debate?
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)They were scoring on style, not substance.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)"damn email" comment. And they wonder why they're more and more irrelevant.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)They're still asking themselves "Who IS this grumpy old man? Debbie... who IS this grumpy old man?"
Dying Eagle
(1,785 posts)Go Figure the Billionaire Corporate owned mass media is still only talking about Hilary and continue to ignore Bernie. Says everything you need to know about the primary. The Clinton's are part of the problem, not a solution to it.......Go Bernie!!
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Interesting.
oasis
(49,423 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)The Corporate Media fawning over the Corporate Dem candidate...
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)forcefully any help at all. They'll fight him every step of the way.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)This is why I pulled the plug on MSNBC months ago. Useless commentary.
jfern
(5,204 posts)Bernie's base is the little people.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)frank luntz (yeah i know) had a group of dems in a focus group. he asked how many supported hillary at the beginnng. about half raised hands. he said how many now? about half of THEM raised hands. he asked who won debate...everyone shouted Bernie!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)i sampled the three cables. msnbc was unwatchable, cnn only slightly more bearable, so tried fox. their dem coverage has been more evenhanded than i expected. not great, but better than sniveling matthews.
senz
(11,945 posts)Outsiders don't work for MSNBC.
New Earth
(9,745 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)when?
and did he mean it?
New Earth
(9,745 posts)and that the rest of colleagues disagree with him.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)i was sure matthews leg was tingling, but after i read your comment i went back. he almost sounds reasonable
maybe he felt the bern tonight
Walk away
(9,494 posts)He called her a Reformer and Bernie a Revolutionary who wanted to tear down the government during his post debate interviews. He repeated it several times.
But, if it helps you through the night, believe what you want.
Stallion
(6,476 posts)and I'm a Clinton supporter. Seemed to be praising him with feint praise though with the comment you cited. ie America won't vote with a revolutionary
oasis
(49,423 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Both sides were in evidence. He has tooting the Hillary bandwagon, but he also told Sanders he thought Sanders won.
I think he's gone over the bend.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)they are giving it to Bernie. Considering how Bernie called out the media it stands to reason the media pundits would line up for Hillary, while the people line up for Bernie. I think that shows Bernie won the debate.
glinda
(14,807 posts)the idea that "people who agree and support Bernie are not part of the "particular in-crowd" they are in????? WTF. It was repeated over and over again tonight. Condescending.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)I think it was derogatory
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Is there someone in the media that decides? Most focus groups said Bernie.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)No doubt they are very aware that their continued appearances rely on how able they are to put forth the Establishment position in a manner that best manufactures consent from the potentially brainwashed viewers.
There are as many uncorrupted pundits in the media as there are uncorrupted politicians in Washington. Not many.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Coz she showed up?
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)But then big media is part of the 1%
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Pretty much unanimous opinion, unscientific internet clickbait polls notwithstanding.
Its a GREAT day to be a Hillary supporter!!
reformist2
(9,841 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Are bogus. One person can vote thousands of times LOL
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)On Facebook I saw disagree votes flooding before she started speaking. Typical BS supporter BS.
She rocked it.
ChimpersMcSmirkers
(3,328 posts)reddit/r/sandersforpresident is all over these polls.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/3ooh1e/polls/
Reddit is berniecirclejerk2016
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)That's the disconnect.
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)I watched disagree votes flood in before she started speaking. Just online spam.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)R B Garr
(16,993 posts)I did.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)R B Garr
(16,993 posts)Believe their own spam games.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)PatrickforO
(14,593 posts)Very partisan. He said here's this guy calling for a revolution, and thereby missed Bernie's whole point. Clear who Chris wants.
glinda
(14,807 posts)It is a lot of career moves for him. He likes to talk about his self a lot I noticed.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)He is no Clinton friend.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)And Drudge...well, he'd give Joan of Arc a poor score if she ran as a Dem.