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uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:35 PM Oct 2015

Sanders: "no, I don't think she's corrupt... I think she's doing what she can in the system"

Guys a class act, so is Hillary and OMally

I still think we're choosing among kick ass candidates... I'm comfortable now that we're going to be in good hands as long as a dem wins the election.


Dems are choosing between the betters and best of good (H)umans...


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Sanders: "no, I don't think she's corrupt... I think she's doing what she can in the system" (Original Post) uponit7771 Oct 2015 OP
This was a classy, issues oriented debate. PatrickforO Oct 2015 #1
Bernie was winner, after tonight he's going to be bigger on the map. This guy on TV now is saying uponit7771 Oct 2015 #8
he was soooo smart to do that. i love how he is calling out the press! bettyellen Oct 2015 #2
She's totally corrupt though. I guess he's too nice to say so. Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #3
Game wise, it wouldn't get him anywhere to say it Hydra Oct 2015 #4
The way I see it, you have three choices here. Lyric Oct 2015 #5
Maybe he did call her corrupt Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #6
He refused to call her corrupt, it was on Mathews show and Sanders is a class act for not uponit7771 Oct 2015 #23
Depends on your definition of "corrupt" Fumesucker Oct 2015 #7
He won't trash her because she could end the nominee. JRLeft Oct 2015 #9
So Sanders is just another calculating politician? uponit7771 Oct 2015 #10
No he understands she's better than a Republican. JRLeft Oct 2015 #12
but wont tell the truth about her??? Ill take Sanders word for it uponit7771 Oct 2015 #13
So you believe Wall Street donates to her without expectation of JRLeft Oct 2015 #14
or the NRA wins Sanders elections without any return of favor!?? Ive been saying for weeks none of uponit7771 Oct 2015 #16
I'm pro gun so you aren't getting to me. JRLeft Oct 2015 #17
So is Sanders and he's not getting to me either, but I'm not going to impugn his integrity on it... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #20
Does Bernie have billionaire donors? JRLeft Oct 2015 #18
Not now, unless he's going to declare that anyone who has a lot of money can NOT donate in ANY uponit7771 Oct 2015 #21
Time out!!! Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #19
Hillary voted for the IWR last decade and she's still chided on it so what about the time especially uponit7771 Oct 2015 #22
So you are equating Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #24
Guns have killed way more Americans than the IWR over those decades Sanders supported uponit7771 Oct 2015 #25
Please educate yourself Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #26
They've NOT hated his stance on guns which is more important. The NRA is ran by assholes and no uponit7771 Oct 2015 #27
Absolutely false! Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #28
Political at best, they're assholes and I don't trust their judgement. I can see Sanders votes ... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #29
Bernie. believes. in. gun. control. Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #30
That doesn't mean he's not pro-gun, Sanders is NOT an asshole and doesn't think everyone uponit7771 Oct 2015 #31
I respect your opinion. Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #32
Don't remember them in 2k, I'm thinking Hillary is going as far left as I can remember on uponit7771 Oct 2015 #33
No. In 2000, she favored a gun registry. Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #34
How about a 4th. It wouldn't be politic for Sanders to call out Clinton on corruption. PatrickforO Oct 2015 #11
i would tend to think #3 restorefreedom Oct 2015 #15

PatrickforO

(14,593 posts)
1. This was a classy, issues oriented debate.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:42 PM
Oct 2015

Clinton had a really good night, and so did Bernie. O'Malley's final thoughts were brilliant.

Chaffee and Webb not so much. I like what one analyst said, that Webb is clearly a very intelligent, thoughtful...Republican.

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
8. Bernie was winner, after tonight he's going to be bigger on the map. This guy on TV now is saying
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:44 AM
Oct 2015

... something similar that Hillary only moved up a notch but Sanders moved up to be able to punch down at people like Trump etc

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
4. Game wise, it wouldn't get him anywhere to say it
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:06 AM
Oct 2015

But we all know who and what she stands for. Golden Calf/Bull is so eating our country out from the inside.

Lyric

(12,675 posts)
5. The way I see it, you have three choices here.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:14 AM
Oct 2015

1. Sanders is honest enough to call out corruption but isn't smart enough to see it in Clinton.

2. Sanders ISN'T honest enough to call out corruption if it isn't "nice", which makes him a shitty President to tackle Wall Street and the Repukes.

3. Sanders is both honest AND smart, and the fact is that Clinton just isn't corrupt.

Take your pick. Unless you see some other rational way of looking at it.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
6. Maybe he did call her corrupt
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:21 AM
Oct 2015

I don't really have any evidence one way or the other.

OP didn't provide a source or link

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
23. He refused to call her corrupt, it was on Mathews show and Sanders is a class act for not
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:23 AM
Oct 2015

... going the reflexive Hillary Hate route

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
7. Depends on your definition of "corrupt"
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:27 AM
Oct 2015

If you have to be unquestionably breaking the law in order to be "corrupt" it's one thing, if you consider stretching the law almost to the breaking point time after time "corrupt" it's another.

I think Sanders is using the first definition while a lot of the perception of Clinton is she skates very close to the edge and the edge is further out there than it should be in the first place.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
9. He won't trash her because she could end the nominee.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:47 AM
Oct 2015

We know she's bought and paid for but she's better than any Republican, but far from better than a true progressive.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
14. So you believe Wall Street donates to her without expectation of
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:00 AM
Oct 2015

her returning the favor? Please!

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
16. or the NRA wins Sanders elections without any return of favor!?? Ive been saying for weeks none of
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:02 AM
Oct 2015

... the candidates can throw stones

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
20. So is Sanders and he's not getting to me either, but I'm not going to impugn his integrity on it...
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:18 AM
Oct 2015

...either like many Sanders supporter are doing with Hillary

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
21. Not now, unless he's going to declare that anyone who has a lot of money can NOT donate in ANY
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:19 AM
Oct 2015

... way to his campaign.

This is the false ass'd expecations that set people up for failure

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
19. Time out!!!
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:06 AM
Oct 2015

When was the last time Bernie was the favorite of the NRA? One time last century, I believe. He and his d minus rating are anathema to the NRA.

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
22. Hillary voted for the IWR last decade and she's still chided on it so what about the time especially
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:21 AM
Oct 2015

... when it comes to crap like their stances.

Sanders doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt on that issue

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
24. So you are equating
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:26 AM
Oct 2015

last century support for the NRA, with Bernie having a very respectable and consistent gun record with the biggest foreign policy blunder in American history?

I don't feel the need to further argue the point.

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
25. Guns have killed way more Americans than the IWR over those decades Sanders supported
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:28 AM
Oct 2015

... the NRA or had their support or had their gun support.

Facts matter

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
27. They've NOT hated his stance on guns which is more important. The NRA is ran by assholes and no
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:38 AM
Oct 2015

... one in their right mind takes those jerks seriously on anything.

Either way, I'm glad I saw Sanders tonight.. he's not pious, righteous, entitled or throwing stones like some of his

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
29. Political at best, they're assholes and I don't trust their judgement. I can see Sanders votes ...
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:43 AM
Oct 2015

... despite the politically motivated D rating by the NRAssholes... Sanders votes are pro gun... Sanders is unabashedly pro gun... hell... he even defended his position tonight on guns ... it was weak... but he defended it.

None of these candidates can throw stones

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
31. That doesn't mean he's not pro-gun, Sanders is NOT an asshole and doesn't think everyone
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:00 AM
Oct 2015

... in their mothers daughter should be able to get a gun without some checks and balances.

That's not anti gun or even pro gun control ... that's common sense.

That doesn't make him not pro-gun...

I'm not pro-gun, I don't think everyone should own one and I think their use and ownership should be restricted to what the 2A said in regards to a regulated militia.

I come from an area where the lack of common sense on guns has hurt a lot of people

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
32. I respect your opinion.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:15 AM
Oct 2015

Guns are a serious public health issue. We need major reform. I might even be willing to go for the Australian solution to gun massacres, but that is way to the left of any Democratic candidate in history. Gore and Hillary in 2000 is as far left as we have ever been, but I think it will be quite a while before any candidate gets that far left again.

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
33. Don't remember them in 2k, I'm thinking Hillary is going as far left as I can remember on
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:18 AM
Oct 2015

... guns.

Look, if Sanders gets into office I'm more concerned he'd find Trump and punch him in the face than I am concerned that the country will progressive a lot.

I would enjoy Sanders punching Trump in the face...

It feels good to think about that.

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
34. No. In 2000, she favored a gun registry.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:56 AM
Oct 2015

The beginning of the Australian solution. She renounced that in 2008 and hasn't touched it since. Nobody has.

PatrickforO

(14,593 posts)
11. How about a 4th. It wouldn't be politic for Sanders to call out Clinton on corruption.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:50 AM
Oct 2015

He is in a race against her to run for president. He did a real positive, and politic thing when he said enough with the damned emails. That was great, and very smart.

Not to call out Clinton on corruption was also a very smart move. It just wouldn't get him anything.

To his credit, he did call out Clinton when she said her plan to regulate Wall Street was 'tougher' than Bernie's. Bernie wasn't having that.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
15. i would tend to think #3
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:00 AM
Oct 2015

however, being non corrupt is not necessarily a high bar and not what we should be aiming for in our elected leaders.

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