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Did tonight's debate change anyone's mind on their choice of candidate? (Original Post) Marie Marie Oct 2015 OP
not mine Egnever Oct 2015 #1
Good for you. Marie Marie Oct 2015 #2
Yup Egnever Oct 2015 #8
I've decided that I'm gonna stop joking about Chafee. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #3
I know what you mean. Marie Marie Oct 2015 #11
Webb was slowly mutating into Rick Perry. it was unnerving Scootaloo Oct 2015 #13
He looked so mean. LoveIsNow Oct 2015 #17
No, but it improved my opinion of Clinton as a candidate. Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #4
This is how I feel as well. phylny Oct 2015 #20
Still a Sanders supporter, but I liked what I saw of O'Malley XemaSab Oct 2015 #5
I thought O'Malley did very well. I too am still a Sanders supporter. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #14
+1 davidpdx Oct 2015 #31
Well I was torn between Webb and Chaffee before..Still am Armstead Oct 2015 #6
On here? probably not many at all. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #7
Frank Luntz had a focus group of 28 Dem primary voters. Over half were Hillary tblue37 Oct 2015 #16
Well, I'm not a Luntz fan, but that's a far better ratio for switching Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #18
Exactly, name recognition is a big deal at this point, especially among low-information voters. tblue37 Oct 2015 #23
I think the long campaign season is helping Bernie. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #24
Yes, no doubt unknown candidates need the time--especially when TPTB--like DWS--try to tblue37 Oct 2015 #25
nope ibegurpard Oct 2015 #9
No Nite Owl Oct 2015 #10
no handmade34 Oct 2015 #12
You've loved Bernie for 30 years, but you'll vote for Hillary? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #27
I was watching with my girlfriend Krytan11c Oct 2015 #15
Minor correction, he voted against it in the House jfern Oct 2015 #19
Doh! Talk to your friends! Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #28
Sanders is the only current presidential candidate Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #36
No. Hillary all the way! kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #21
It made me like Webb a lot more, but Sanders remains my first choice. Vattel Oct 2015 #22
I was cringing for Webb and Chafee. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #29
Yeah, I agree. But I think Webb came off as genuine, and that was a plus. Vattel Oct 2015 #39
I'm ready to #FeelTheChafe Capt. Obvious Oct 2015 #26
No. I pulled up Bernie's speeches from the 80s... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2015 #30
Nope davidpdx Oct 2015 #32
No. Go Bernie. CentralMass Oct 2015 #33
No, I'm still on the fence. eom cwydro Oct 2015 #34
No. nt LWolf Oct 2015 #35
Not me. PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #37
No - but... lame54 Oct 2015 #38
 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
8. Yup
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:31 AM
Oct 2015

I think O'Malley summed it up perfectly with his closing statement

On this stage you didn't hear anyone denigrate women, you didn't hear anyone make racist comments about new immigrants, you didn't hear anyone speak ill of anyone because of their religious belief," O'Malley said. "What you heard was an honest debate of what will move us forward, to lead to a clean electric grid by 2050, and employ more of our people, rebuild our cities and towns, educate our children at higher and better levels, and include more people in the economic and social life in our country.
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
3. I've decided that I'm gonna stop joking about Chafee.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:28 AM
Oct 2015

It's like picking on a legless cat, and I kinda feel bad.

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
11. I know what you mean.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:39 AM
Oct 2015

He seems like a very decent man but he appeared to be in over his head. Jim Webb just came across as an angry DINO. Didn't like him before - like him even less now. I did learn more about O'Malley which I wanted to do.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
4. No, but it improved my opinion of Clinton as a candidate.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:29 AM
Oct 2015

I was a Sanders supporter before the debate and I still am.

However, I was impressed by how smoothly Clinton answered questions, and I'm more comfortable with her chances of winning in the general if she's the nominee (than I was with her chances of winning the general before the debate).

phylny

(8,389 posts)
20. This is how I feel as well.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 07:06 AM
Oct 2015

Looking down this thread, I also agree with those who were impressed with Gov. O'Malley. With the exception of Webb, I was impressed at times with all our candidates.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
7. On here? probably not many at all.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:30 AM
Oct 2015

Out among the wider electorate? Quite probably quite a few folks.

I'll predict a 5 pt gain for Sanders in national polls in the next week or so.

tblue37

(65,490 posts)
16. Frank Luntz had a focus group of 28 Dem primary voters. Over half were Hillary
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:25 AM
Oct 2015

supporters going into the debate, but all but maybe 4 were Bernie supporters when he checked with them after the debate. (His was the only focus group I found.) Obviously they were swayed by getting to know where Bernie stands on the issues.

One man said he hadn't really known about any of the candidates but Hillary before the debate. I think that is a large reason for her vast lead at the moment. Dems know her and like her, but most who are not wonks like we are on DU are not yet paying much attention, so they don't really know about Bernie yet.

Oh, and the entire group raised their hands when he asked if they preferred Webb and Chaffee to not be included in the next debate.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
18. Well, I'm not a Luntz fan, but that's a far better ratio for switching
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 06:58 AM
Oct 2015

than I saw in other focus groups.

I think the big question is how many HRC supporters are like that guy - people who went with her simply out of name recognition, and not her policy choices.

The pundits said she did what she needed to do, 'firming up her base'. Thing is, I don't think all of the people who've been saying they're going to vote for her are 'her base'. I think a goodly percent of them ARE like that guy.

tblue37

(65,490 posts)
23. Exactly, name recognition is a big deal at this point, especially among low-information voters.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 07:16 AM
Oct 2015

That is also one reason Biden scores so high even without entering the race. Most people simply are not paying attention yet, especially since our campaign season is freaking endless. I bet a lot of people polled don't even realize that Biden has not entered the race and that he probably won't enter the race.

Also, in addition to her name recognition, among Democrats Hillary attracts a lot of sympathy for the way the RW conspiracy constantly attacks her.

Don't forget, early in the 2004 primary season Joe Lieberman had a big lead: what he called the "Joementum" was merely an effect of name recognition.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
24. I think the long campaign season is helping Bernie.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 07:18 AM
Oct 2015

He NEEDS the time to get his message out. With Hillary starting out the season with it 'in the bag', the longer it goes, the more time Bernie has to pass her up.

tblue37

(65,490 posts)
25. Yes, no doubt unknown candidates need the time--especially when TPTB--like DWS--try to
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 07:19 AM
Oct 2015

rig things to keep them as unknown as possible for as long as possible.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
9. nope
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:31 AM
Oct 2015

Clinton did better than I expected. Still supporting Sanders. O'Malley left me cold. The other two aren't a consideration.

Nite Owl

(11,303 posts)
10. No
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:36 AM
Oct 2015

I'm a Bernie supporter and that didn't change but what the debate did was made me realize that any one of them would make a great President. They made us proud.

handmade34

(22,758 posts)
12. no
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:54 AM
Oct 2015

I love Bernie Sanders as I have for 30 years!!

My vote will go to Hillary Clinton unless there is a major change before the primaries

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
27. You've loved Bernie for 30 years, but you'll vote for Hillary?
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 07:24 AM
Oct 2015

Are you going with her based on perceived electability, historic presidency arguments, or policies?

Krytan11c

(271 posts)
15. I was watching with my girlfriend
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:22 AM
Oct 2015

She started out as a likely Hillary voter, but not necessarily a supporter. By the end of the debate she had donated $31 dollars to his campaign to "bump the average up a bit".
She had not heard of Bernie before, she liked what he had to say and how he said it. The deal sealer was the fact that he was the only senator to vote against the patriot act.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
28. Doh! Talk to your friends!
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 07:26 AM
Oct 2015

If you're a Bernie guy, I hate to hear that this is the first time she's heard about Bernie - she should have heard about him from you.

We're his best shot at winning, as long as we actually talk about him to people around us. He's great on most issues, but we have to tell folks about him. If there's anybody else out there you know who hasn't heard of him, don't wait for them to watch a debate, start telling them about him

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
36. Sanders is the only current presidential candidate
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 10:40 AM
Oct 2015

...who voted against the Patriot Act.

In 2001, Sanders was one of 66 in the US House who voted against it.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll398.xml

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
29. I was cringing for Webb and Chafee.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 07:28 AM
Oct 2015

Webb was right about getting shafted on time, but he didn't look good by bringing it up a half dozen times, and Chafee needs to learn to defend his votes, not try and weasel out of them.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
39. Yeah, I agree. But I think Webb came off as genuine, and that was a plus.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:40 PM
Oct 2015

And I have always admired his early strong stance on prison reform. He also seems genuinely concerned about poverty. On the other hand, his views on war are way to hawkish for me. And his homophobia pretty much disqualifies him in my book. (Maybe he has evolved though.)

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
30. No. I pulled up Bernie's speeches from the 80s...
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 07:31 AM
Oct 2015

and 90s. Income inequality, middle class living wages, bad trade deals, against wars. Same speeches he's giving today.

I'm not happy about his position on guns, but for me, that's not a deal breaker, as the others trump it. Moreover, his position won't alienate rural red state America.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
32. Nope
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 07:40 AM
Oct 2015

While I will watch all the debates, I doubt any of the other 5 debates will change my mind either.

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