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aaaaaa5a

(4,667 posts)
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:44 PM Aug 2012

8/11/12-New Poll: Obama's lead over Romney widens.

Obama Widens Lead Over Romney


Published on Saturday, 11 August 2012 09:12
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In the latest Investor's Business Daily/Christian Science Monitor/TIPP Poll, President Obama's lead over Governor Romney widens from 1-point in July to 7-points in August. Romney loses ground among independents, men, and suburban voters.


Obama 46%
Romney 39%


Interesting crosstabs:

Northeast 55% to 33%
Midwest 46% to 38%
South 40% to 43%
West 51% to 41%

Obama leads in ever region of the country except the South were he trails by just 3.

White 39% to 48%
Black 88% to 1%
Hispanic 70% to 19%

In the poll Obama had only 88% of the black vote (That is very likely to go up).

He had 39% of the white vote. With 12% of the white vote unsure, that would likely project to 42-43% of the white vote on election day. That is about where he was in 2008 (44%). That is a good number for a Democrat and more than enough to win re-election

He had 70% of the Hispanic vote. In 2008 Obama received 67% of the vote Nationally. On election day Obama could have 75% of the Hispanic vote. Wow!


Full poll results at link:
http://www.tipponline.com/presidency/news/presidency/obama-widens-lead-over-romney


Here are the last 4 National polls which were all conducted this week.

8/11- IBD/CSM/TIPP-Obama +7
8/9- CNN- Obama +7
8/7- FOX- Obama +9
8/6- Reuters-Obama +7

Today is August 11th, 2012. The conventions are only weeks away. Folks, its not early anymore!

I don't know exactly when this race broke open Nationally. But the idea that this is currently a close race is factually untrue. Romney is behind. Numbers from this wide a variety of sources and this consistent don't lie.

There is no doubt, the Romney campaign has similar numbers.

I believe this is why they chose Paul Ryan as VP. They really needed to "shake up the race." They needed to throw down a wildcard. Under the current projection of this race, it was looking more like 2008, than 2004. Clearly the Romney campaign concluded that a "safe pick" like Rob Portman or Tim Pawlenty was not going to be enough to change the dynamic of this race. Its interesting that they sacrificed a "2 point bump" in Ohio with Portman to try and shake things up on a National level. This shows Romney is behind everywhere. And trailing in Ohio is only one of his current problems.




Secondly, can the political pundits stop with the false storyline that this is a close election?

It currently is not.

Not only does the President lead Nationally, his multiple route paths to 270 gives him an even greater advantage. Currently Nate Silver gives him about a 70% chance of reaching 270 on election day. In Presidential political terms, thats not a close race. No objective observer looks at the data at hand and determines this race is close. Only TV talking heads do.




Thirdly... the media was wrong. Barack Obama was right.

This "bump" for Obama is not related to good economic news. It is not related to a war or overseas National triumph. No party has had a convention yet. This separation is due entirely to the public learning more about Bain and Romney refusing to release his taxes. Any person going forward who argues that Romney's time at Bain or his taxes are not issues that sway voters, simply is not qualified to speak regarding the issue. You can't refute evidence this overwhelming and one-sided.



When you look at all of the information, its real easy to see why Paul Ryan was chosen today. Mitt Romney is trying to do what John McCain did 4 years ago, but in a more careful, responsible way.

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8/11/12-New Poll: Obama's lead over Romney widens. (Original Post) aaaaaa5a Aug 2012 OP
Polling information in the next few weeks will reflect the state of the race more accurately. Arkana Aug 2012 #1
Correct. More importantly, the polls about a week AFTER the VP pick. It may give Rmoney his little Grown2Hate Aug 2012 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author ailsagirl Aug 2012 #6
I disagree. Polls will bounce all over the place until after the debates. Motown_Johnny Aug 2012 #15
I agree MoJo davidpdx Aug 2012 #22
But, much like the Palin pick, to people that follow politics closely, we can SMELL the Grown2Hate Aug 2012 #2
This is great news, but don't get out the champagne yet... cheezmaka Aug 2012 #4
I dont think anyone is breaking out the "champagne". DCBob Aug 2012 #10
"optimism breeds enthusiasm" ailsagirl Aug 2012 #14
.. DCBob Aug 2012 #17
No problem ailsagirl Aug 2012 #18
It is something to feel optimistic about cheezmaka Aug 2012 #19
I really don't understand why so many people my age Jamaal510 Aug 2012 #16
Rs hope it's low. Then they play a small up for the VP for weeks to come. Festivito Aug 2012 #5
I think you can calm down with regard to the black helicopters aaaaaa5a Aug 2012 #8
Are you somehow seeing black helicopters? Okay. Festivito Aug 2012 #9
I don't think the Rs ever wanted to see numbers this low Nationally aaaaaa5a Aug 2012 #11
Reuters: "No immediate lift for Romney from picking Ryan" Festivito Aug 2012 #24
I just hope Obama keeps up the pressure woolldog Aug 2012 #7
Loved your post! ailsagirl Aug 2012 #12
Ryan pick will give some kind of uptick to Romney but good to see Obama WI_DEM Aug 2012 #13
The polls two weeks after the Republican convention will tell the tale. Just like 2008 Monk06 Aug 2012 #20
Rasmussen, the Republican pollster, was on Faux Snooze yesterday and he said that the numbers were . Major Hogwash Aug 2012 #21
There is always a reason to be happy about polls like this davidpdx Aug 2012 #23
The GOP is screwed Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #25
K&R Tarheel_Dem Aug 2012 #26

Grown2Hate

(2,013 posts)
3. Correct. More importantly, the polls about a week AFTER the VP pick. It may give Rmoney his little
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:56 PM
Aug 2012

temporary "bump", which will not last (never does). The polls about a week after the "excitement" dies down will tell the story.

Response to Grown2Hate (Reply #3)

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
15. I disagree. Polls will bounce all over the place until after the debates.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 12:24 PM
Aug 2012

There is always a bounce for a VP pick. There are always bounces for the conventions. There are always changes due to debate performances.

The next 4-5 weeks will not be the most accurate reflection of the state of the race.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
22. I agree MoJo
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 10:10 PM
Aug 2012

We really need to wait until about a week after our convention to really even start looking at polls. There still might be some disappointing ones which come out between now and then. Bumps in the road are inevitable. The key is to keep our heads down and continue to fight hard.

Grown2Hate

(2,013 posts)
2. But, much like the Palin pick, to people that follow politics closely, we can SMELL the
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:54 PM
Aug 2012

desperation in the pick... this Hail Mary type of pick. It's making the "sexy" pick for the base and hoping it doesn't blow up in your face. Unfortunately for Rmoney, he just lost seniors now (already lost women, Hispanics, blacks, and the college educated) because BELIEVE ME, Team Obama will exploit the HELL out of this pick. There won't be anyone but Montgomery Burns left to vote for him at this point.

cheezmaka

(737 posts)
4. This is great news, but don't get out the champagne yet...
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 01:02 PM
Aug 2012

Romney's camp is working hard by voter suppression and id laws to CHEAT their way into the White House. Dems have to use this opportunity to work "harder" to clinch this election. I asked a young lady in the elevator on the 7th if she voted. She told me "no, I'm not even registered." She asked me "Who should I vote for?" I said,"Vote Democrat and vote for Obama. Ask one of the ladies at the poll where do you go to get registered..." She said, "I will.." Sad to say there are TOO MANY YOUNG PEOPLE like this. We have to WORK now and CELEBRATE later!

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
10. I dont think anyone is breaking out the "champagne".
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 10:03 AM
Aug 2012

But it is something to feel very optimistic about. I think its good because optimism breads entusiasm which in turn leads to more donations, volunteering, and more voters showing up at the polls.

cheezmaka

(737 posts)
19. It is something to feel optimistic about
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 08:27 PM
Aug 2012

I'm just like you("Republicans Scare Me&quot ... I don't trust the Republicans either. I'm glad we have a lead right now because all the enthusiasm will help counter any TRICKS the Republicans got up their sleeve...

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
16. I really don't understand why so many people my age
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 12:45 PM
Aug 2012

are apathetic about voting. Don't they care about which politicians represent them, and which ones are trying to deprive them of a shot at success? And registering to vote and researching candidates isn't that complicated.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
5. Rs hope it's low. Then they play a small up for the VP for weeks to come.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 01:41 PM
Aug 2012

They'd even want to manufacture this low point so they can claim a raising campaign for a month, or two.

They would certainly want us to know these numbers and retain them now.

Aside: I'm surprised. We usually don't get all this breakdown so easily presented. Hmmmm.

aaaaaa5a

(4,667 posts)
8. I think you can calm down with regard to the black helicopters
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 08:34 AM
Aug 2012

circling over your house.


The truth is that this is the last thing the Romney campaign wanted. They wanted to run a cautious campaign, where news about the economy would let them almost "sneak" into the Presidency with little effort.

Instead they found out just being an alternative would not work. They were losing. And they were starting to lose badly.

As a result, they completely flipped their campaign strategy and rolled the dice.

They needed to change the trajectory of the race just like Mondale did when he picked Ferraro. And McCain did when he picked Palin. Both picks turned out to be historic disasters. This current pick was taken in the same vein. And it too, will end up being a disaster.


As for the Poll breakdown, I always break down polls. Numbers are very important.

But just as important....is who is doing the poll?

And where did the information come from that led to the top number?

Cross-tabs are vital. They often are more valuable than the headline grabbing final top number.


There's no master conspiracy plan here. Nobody is trying to trick you.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
9. Are you somehow seeing black helicopters? Okay.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:27 AM
Aug 2012

And, you think there are no tricks in this campaign? Okay. From nobody, eh? Okay.

Personally, I don't see black helicopters in the sky or in my posts. I do think there have been, are, and will be tricks pulled in campaigns.

Also, yes, the numbers are important. And, like you, I like seeing the breakdowns. Yet, I don't get to see the breakdowns as much as I would like to see them. Oh well, I don't.

I still say that Rs would like the numbers to be low at this point in the campaign, so they can exclaim how the polls are rising for them, even if real polling would show the opposite.

aaaaaa5a

(4,667 posts)
11. I don't think the Rs ever wanted to see numbers this low Nationally
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 10:04 AM
Aug 2012


As I said in the OP, the electoral college actually looks even worse. What you are talking about is how the Rs plan to "spin" their current situation, "if" the numbers improve. Your theory is not an accurate description of where the Rs hoped the campaign would be at this point in the race.


There was no way initially, that Romney wanted Ryan. He chose Ryan because he is losing. And this too is a position he didn't want to be in. Especially at this point in the campaign.



The Romney campaign was losing. And losing much worse than the media reports. As a result he is gambling with Ryan. And this was a gamble he didn't want to have to make.


Festivito

(13,452 posts)
24. Reuters: "No immediate lift for Romney from picking Ryan"
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 07:43 AM
Aug 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014192806

Like hell they didn't want a lift.

Even now, they can only say it is not immediate, as though we should expect better, later.
 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
7. I just hope Obama keeps up the pressure
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 02:51 PM
Aug 2012

....and that once he's reelected he fights as hard for Democratic policies as he's fighting now for his job.

ailsagirl

(22,899 posts)
12. Loved your post!
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 12:04 PM
Aug 2012

I'm keeping all my fingers crossed. I'm still deeply concerned about election fraud and how much of an impact it will have on the final outcome.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
13. Ryan pick will give some kind of uptick to Romney but good to see Obama
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 12:07 PM
Aug 2012

has been leading by 6-10 points in several polls prior to that.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
20. The polls two weeks after the Republican convention will tell the tale. Just like 2008
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:34 PM
Aug 2012

after the Palin love affair started to wain Obama took off. I think the momentum is the same this time.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
21. Rasmussen, the Republican pollster, was on Faux Snooze yesterday and he said that the numbers were .
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:46 PM
Aug 2012

. . closer according to his rightwing polls.
He was absolutely giddy over the fact that the unemployment rate was still over 8%.
So much so that I thought he was going to pee his pants since he was squirming around so much in his chair.
Then he added that he didnt think that the unemployment numbers would come down in time to help President Obama before the election in November.

I sat there watching Rasmussen and thought to myself, so this guy wants people to still be out of work, struggling to pay their bills, in November just so his guy can get into the White House?!?
What a slug!

The fact that the Dow Jones is over 13,200 never came up once in the conversation he had on that program on Faux Snooze, though.

Coupled with the fact that Romney wanted the auto companies to go bankrupt in 2008, I don't see how he thinks Romney knows a damn thing about employment or creating jobs.
The only thing Romney learned at Bain was how to take out loans on healthy companies that they bought off, take that loan money for themselves, and then watch the companies struggle keeping afloat until they were sold off or went bankrupt.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
23. There is always a reason to be happy about polls like this
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 10:14 PM
Aug 2012

As long as people don't get complacent. There are a few issues we need to be watching carefully one of which is voter suppression. Mitt and his creeps are going to try to use their money to blanket the airwaves with lies. I'm encouraged by the quick response by the Obama campaign.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
25. The GOP is screwed
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 08:58 AM
Aug 2012

Based on the most recent census data I could find, only about 66% of the US population is white, non-hispanic. Black, Hispanic and other minority votes are going Democratic in droves, and the current rightwing policies of the GOP are pushing them out of the tent just as fast as they can go. So we have about 80-90% of the non-white vote for the foreseeable future.

Obama is also killing Romney/Ryan with women voters. Last numbers that I saw showed Obama leading by more than 20 percentage points, and I don't think that comes as a surprise (Forced Vaginal Ultrasounds, anyone?). And the Democrats are also doing fabulously well among younger voters, who tend to be far more socially progressive than their parents and grandparents.

When you peel off women and younger voters (and I suppose you could also peel off elderly voters now that Paul Ryan is on the ticket), the core of the GOP boils down to middle-aged white men, and that's less than 20% of the electorate. There's simply no way any Republican can win enough of those votes to win an election.

So if you're wondering why the GOP is pursuing a furious program of voter suppression, now you know.

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