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Under the bus with Salon.com? Sorry, haters: Hillary Clinton won the Democratic debate
Looks like all the folks 'progressives' are throwing under the bus lately will have some reading material...
Towards the end of the debate, there was an exchange about family leave that showed that, despite a few bumps over issues like Wall Street reform, Hillary Clinton came across as the candidate who was most plugged into how modern Democratic voters think about the issues. When Dana Bash went after Clinton’s support for family leave by framing it as “another government program,” Clinton stomped that nonsense out like a boss.
First she pointed out that is an empty Republican talking point and then she pivoted to a woman’s right to choose, noting that Republicans certainly love “big government” when it comes to stripping women of their reproductive autonomy. It was a smart performance, tying various feminist concerns together, linking them to larger economic concerns, and taking a swipe at Republicans. The audience went nuts for it.
Bernie Sanders then jumped in, agreeing with Clinton’s support for family leave and reminding voters that other industrialized countries have generous leave. But he rooted his argument not in a broader feminist argument, but instead argued that the ideal is having mothers at home with their babies. While he’s not wrong that this is what most women will use family leave for, it was still frustrating to see such essentialist ideas—what about dads who want to stay home or women who actually want to go back to work?—being invoked in service of an otherwise good idea.
The exchange epitomized the overall debate: Both Sanders and Clinton highlighted their progressive views, but Clinton came across as more competent and comprehensive. Sanders is a bulldog on his economic ideas, but Clinton seemed more comfortable talking about a variety of issues that are dear to liberal hearts. (With the notable exception of marijuana legalization, where Sanders put himself ahead of the curve, with Clinton lingering in the “medical marijuana is okay, I guess” territory.) She played up her intelligence and didn’t give into the urge to try to get people to like her, which ironically makes it easier to like her.
http://www.salon.com/2015/10/14/sorry_haters_hillary_clinton_won_the_democratic_debate/
First she pointed out that is an empty Republican talking point and then she pivoted to a woman’s right to choose, noting that Republicans certainly love “big government” when it comes to stripping women of their reproductive autonomy. It was a smart performance, tying various feminist concerns together, linking them to larger economic concerns, and taking a swipe at Republicans. The audience went nuts for it.
Bernie Sanders then jumped in, agreeing with Clinton’s support for family leave and reminding voters that other industrialized countries have generous leave. But he rooted his argument not in a broader feminist argument, but instead argued that the ideal is having mothers at home with their babies. While he’s not wrong that this is what most women will use family leave for, it was still frustrating to see such essentialist ideas—what about dads who want to stay home or women who actually want to go back to work?—being invoked in service of an otherwise good idea.
The exchange epitomized the overall debate: Both Sanders and Clinton highlighted their progressive views, but Clinton came across as more competent and comprehensive. Sanders is a bulldog on his economic ideas, but Clinton seemed more comfortable talking about a variety of issues that are dear to liberal hearts. (With the notable exception of marijuana legalization, where Sanders put himself ahead of the curve, with Clinton lingering in the “medical marijuana is okay, I guess” territory.) She played up her intelligence and didn’t give into the urge to try to get people to like her, which ironically makes it easier to like her.
http://www.salon.com/2015/10/14/sorry_haters_hillary_clinton_won_the_democratic_debate/
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Unscientific internet clickbait push polls! 
Hillary Clinton owned it last night. She was in perfect form...and looked good, too. 
nasty comment and questions previously when The Clinton's name comes up. That said. Hillary knows how to debate and can toss in her points--like she did with women's health care.
