And if you don't think that "Who won?" ... "Bernie Sanders!!!!" wasn't scripted for effect ... well.

This was staged. If they still supported Hillary AND thought Bernie was great, or vice versa, as so many of us here do, Luntz would have just appeared alone, or worked on a more malleable group.

Fox is trying to defeat Hillary and sees Bernie as its biggest weapon. I think Bernie can handle Fox. They can hope he'll be our nominee, but he despises them and won't be playing into their hands by playing their anti-Hillary games.

for his high-mindedness and rejection of slimy press and conservative tactics. Then, they had the group display doubts about HIM. Professional handling.

this is all part of an effort to defeat the Democratic candidates, right?

not trying to get conservatives elected? I'm not sure what this is supposed to be about.

corporate media pundits have tried to shape it as that Hillary won.

Personally I believe Bernie and Hillary did fine but Bernie has shaped the direction of the debate both formal and informal, there is no mistaking his impact.

either a clueless dope or a cynical spinner. In defense of cynical spinners, there IS a very large demand for immediate and very simple answers. "WHO won?!" Bernie DID do great though.



Now we know he has already achieved a major goal.

to the left on her own.

people like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders have revealed that far more people WANT a larger shift left than realized. They didn't know that not very long ago.

And I really don't think Bernie's so stupid that he been only pondering issues without thinking of every way possible to achieve them. Before he jumped in, people around him and Warren were discussing exactly what is in that cartoon.

the American People, Bernie has known this for decades, it wasn't a recent revelation.

If Hillary is truly following Bernie to the left now, that's a testament to Bernie's leadership, if she's not, it's nothing but cynical political calculation meant to deceive the people.

FWIW, Uncle Joe, I'm talking about national mood and how it affects politicians' ability to take positions. And willingness -- why would a presidential candidate promise America 2 cats in every house if he didn't think that was what America wanted? Fact is, the left was so quiet for a long time while the noisy right set the national agenda that its wishes were underestimated and misunderstood.

Nothing about recent revelations to Bernie, however we came to that one.

May all your polls be pleasing, Hortensis

That's a demographic Sanders does well in. It is also unfortunately a demographic that rarely votes. But it's hardly representative of the universe of likely voters in age, income, race, etc.

is developing and selling the republican brand? Or, does it just not matter in this instance?

establishment corporate Democrats.

The focus groups chose Bernie as the winner but the corporate media pundits have been pushing Hillary as the winner.

tried to cast doubt regarding whether a "socialist" could win.

in the veracity of anything associated with him ... even if he said something I liked.

I don't support HRC.

If the word is "They"; then, they said what the were told to say.

I either case, Why would a Democrat believe a single word of anything associated with Luntz? (See Luntz's history of faking focus groups)

of Democratic Leadership Council, and now supported by the Third Way Think Tank. The Wall Street side of the party.

Frank Luntz ...republican brand manager and known fake focus group promoter?

But, I guess the enemy of one's enemy is someone to carry water for.

How can her background not give you pause?

of those drawn to his message -- not angry reactionaries drawn from right and left to a cult of personality but thoughtful people drawn to his goals of stopping the right and rebuilding an equitable America.

Having listened to Bernie, I now think he'll be working very carefully to defeat Big Business, Fox, the GOP, the Kochs, and all the rest of his enemies on the right and won't let a few right-left "fusion" extremists in his train derail his candidacy.

to reconsider Bernie's electability and if they were so scripted why was there such a pregnant pause after he asked that question?

noone in MSM is for bernie.they dismiss him and did all they can to fix results to push the outrageous Clitnon dominated results.

GOP wants to run against Clinton.

Please see my post below, 1SBM.

Did Frank Luntz mind control them all?

I heard it was the other way around. But my eyes have to believe what you have brought here. Luntz. lol. Gives me that creepy uncle feeling.

Might want to check this out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021565827

as the winner.

You clearly are saying Luntz isn't a corporate media pundit. Yet we all know that is bullshit. He is one of their slickest. You didn't even read the link about it did you? You truly couldn't and still be holding your line of thought. I can't believe you place this much trust in the corporate media. Kind of funny how you trust them so much.

Considering the only places you hear Hillary won is from the corporate media pundits.

Personally I think they both did well. I would be hard pressed to declare a winner. The corporate media certainly went full court press with the Hillary won meme and I find that a little disconcerting. She is clearly the choice of GE.

and thus quite likely unrepresentative of our party (our party is only 60 percent white at this point). Given the racial divide of our party that is important.

they were called, young millenials by the host. Again a pro Bernie group.

I have to ask, what would be an acceptable demograph to poll before you were to consider it to be legit?

responsible for the state of abusive political discourse over the past 2 decades.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/10/09/cbs-analyst-pushes-paul-ryan-for-speaker-withou/206072

CBS Analyst Pushes Paul Ryan For Speaker Without Disclosing Ryan Paid Him Over $100K
Research October 9, 2015 3:16 PM EDT ››› ERIC HANANOKI


CBS News analyst Frank Luntz pushed Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) for House Speaker, claiming "he's got a brain for policy, which is what we need in Washington right now," adding, "if Paul Ryan says no, God help us." CBS News and Luntz did not disclose that Ryan has paid Luntz's company over $100,000 in consulting fees in recent years.

CBS' Luntz Praises Paul Ryan: "He's Got A Brain For Policy, Which Is What We Need"

Luntz On Next House Speaker: "If Paul Ryan Says No, God Help Us," He's "What We Need In Washington." During the October 9 broadcast of CBS This Morning, CBS News analyst Frank Luntz was asked about possible speaker candidates Rep. Daniel Webster and Rep. Jason Chaffetz. He responded by heaping praise on Paul Ryan, labeling him as someone with "a brain for policy, which is what we need in Washington right now":

He is has been proven over and over again to be dishonest in his work. Hooking your political stars to the likes of these dishonest Republican shills is a mistake. You don't know where they will take you.

CNN's as well.

is suspect from the get go, as far as I'm concerned. This is true for any source dragged from the bowels of the RW propaganda machine that tries to explain the left to the left. I prefer that we explain our own message without the filter of RW ideas and lingo.

Too many Google searches. Too many Volvos. Not enough Matlock.

let me pick the people and I can generate what ever result you might wish.

Bernie was defending Hillary and chastising the media, of course FOX edited out that part when Bernie attacked the media for focusing on the e-mails instead of substantive issues.

doesn't say boo about who they are and how they were selected.

Examples

http://back-spin.blogspot.com/2008/01/fred-and-ringer.html

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/07/scandal-du-jour-luntz-focus-group-guy-shows-up-twice/

I don't trust his methods or prnouncements.

media's preoccupation with focusing on scandal vs what's important to the people.

It also says they either support Hillary and appreciate Bernie's defense or support Bernie and appreciate his magnanimity or perhaps a combination of both.

P.S. It also says something about FOX and Luntz because they specifically edited out Bernie's attack against the media during that clip.

I don't trust who they are and what the agenda was. Period. Frank Luntz is a lying weaselly manipulator.

group watching the debates, I haven't found it yet if they did.

If they didn't I am wondering why not?

CNN. I don't think any other network did.

Wouldn't they be better serving a public or at least Democratic Interest by doing so?

for Hillary.

saying Romoney was going to win in a landslide?

is what the people in the focus group said and how they said it.

Nothing shady about that eh?

Do you believe all those people are lying?

trying to help the democratic party in anyway he can, bless his heart.

is what the people in the focus group said and how they said it.

You never answered my question, do you believe they were lying?

Are you a mind reader? Where you there? Did you hear the instructions the nice republican gave to the group?

Did you see him lead the crowd where he wanted them to go?

How do you believe he led the group?

He simply asked their opinion as to who they thought won, then he asked for a one word description of Bernie, then he challenged them in wondering whether a "socialist" could be elected.

that Hillary won the debate!