2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumRest of the debates need to be cancelled
I was very disappointed in Sanders. It seems to me he really isnt in it to win it. The others are sitting at 1% and dont even need to be there. Bernie, if you have no fight in you against Hillary then dont show up at the next debate.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)If Hillary 'won' the debate, why cancel them? Worried?
mgcgulfcoast
(1,127 posts)against thin air. I dont support Hillary, i support Jim Webb but he has no chance. After watching the debate i have no clue why Sanders considers himself a better candidate than Hillary.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)He was Reagan's Secretary of the Navy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Webb#Post-military_career
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phleshdef
(11,936 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Or recovering from a headwound....
Fearless
(18,421 posts)You are embarrassing yourself.
iamthe99
(70 posts)It's not time yet for him to attack her lacking in judgment to vote for war or of her
being a war hawk . When it comes down to both of them being the last two standing that's when
he will expose her big money interests and how she is bought and paid for by corporations and Wall Street
mgcgulfcoast
(1,127 posts)I didnt gather from the debate that Sanders thinks its a big deal.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)He worked with her in congress, he worked with her as Secretary of State and the know and respect each other.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)to MSM? lol
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Though I suspect that's not the reason
frylock
(34,825 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Don't know what you were watching.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,874 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)...I don't care who ya are
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,384 posts)He can't even begin to think about winning without drawing clear personal distinctions between himself and Hillary. He has four debates before Super Tuesday and he just punted away a major opportunity. I'm surprised more of his supporters aren't acknowledging or at least hinting at this reality:
And so Clinton won the first debate. She did well herself, and she lucked out in that no one went hard after her own vulnerabilities. Perhaps as the candidates get more comfortable in debate settings theyll make things a bit more interesting for her...
http://www.salon.com/2015/10/14/the_real_reason_hillary_clinton_won_the_debate_no_one_else_was_at_her_level/
global1
(25,276 posts)this was the first time that Bernie had the opportunity for major exposure to millions more American People than he had leading up to the debate.
Bernie's mission last night was to get his platform out and introduce himself to those "The People" that aren't familiar with him. I believe he accomplished that and more at the debate and held his own against Hillary. I believe he had the best two lines of the night when he said "Congress doesn't regulate Wall St - Wall St regulate Congress" and the other when he said - quit it with those damn e-mails - in which Hillary was pleased that he said that.
Bernie said he wasn't going to attack Hillary. He stuck by that last night - even though I believe he was fighting back urges to do just that when she laid up a few softballs to him. However, Hillary didn't miss an opportunity to take shots a Bernie - but then again her mission last night was to stop the erosion of her poll numbers to Bernie.
Based on her campaign's polling and focus group research - she got in the the talking points that she needed to make - even though she had to flip-flop on a few of her stances just before the debate to make her sound more credible last night.
Now we need to sit back and watch the post-debate poll results to see how good all the candidates did last night. We can't and shouldn't take the words of the political pundits, the talking heads and the MSM - as they are manipulating us as to how to think. They have a vested interest in Hillary and are terrified of Bernie. Think about it - they are going to the extreme - to make Bernie a non-factor in this race. You have to ask yourself - Why?
They have used the terms 'presumptive nominee' in relation to Hillary since back when this campaign for the nomination started. I will be very disappointed in the American People if we fall prey to this MSM tactic and we wind up with a Bush - Clinton race for the WH. They have a vested interest in seeing either of those two running the country because they know that it won't upset the status quo that they come to enjoy.
Then we will know that the system is rigged.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Sanders has said from the start, he wants to discuss the issues, not attack Hillary.
He dominated the debate, won on any number of points, won over the focus groups, won the internet polls, and when push came to shove, dominated Anderson himself.
Anderson tried lure them off issues and onto scandal and failed.
Bernie hit a home run with his email intervention:
1st base -- integrity above scoring cheap political shots,
2nd base -- a serious shot at the GOP (and media),
3rd base -- can work with his foes and bring people together, which any dem Prez will need to be able to do,
home run -- issues over scandals.
He won on any number of points discussed. And to top it off, he made fundraising records based on his performance.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Women's rights, infrastructure repair, revising our financial house of cards, black lives matter etc etc etc.
You can't possibly be serious.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)A silly one, too.