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gopiscrap

(23,765 posts)
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:16 PM Aug 2012

Dumb question: WHY DID RMONEY PICK RYAN?

everything I hear on DU says it's a great pick for the Dems...but if that is so, why did Willard pick him?

side note: this is the first major ticket that doesn't have a protesant on it: (L.D.S./Roman Catholic)

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Dumb question: WHY DID RMONEY PICK RYAN? (Original Post) gopiscrap Aug 2012 OP
To kiss tea party ass? Siwsan Aug 2012 #1
You're right on both counts, I think: elleng Aug 2012 #37
He can't come up with his own budget so, he will depend on Paul! Kteachums Aug 2012 #2
you may be right.. Romney's been sweating it out without any details to offer Voice for Peace Aug 2012 #42
I believe he was so desperate to change the conversation away from his taxes Motown_Johnny Aug 2012 #3
That may be a timing issue, but why Ryan instead of Palin or Bachmann? Coyotl Aug 2012 #15
The media will now focus on the Ryand Budget Motown_Johnny Aug 2012 #18
this idiot is not cindyperry2010 Aug 2012 #4
He's the most divisive person he could pick. joshcryer Aug 2012 #5
Grover Norquist, the Koch Brothers and the Teaklan control the GOP. Dawson Leery Aug 2012 #6
I've been watching too many old star treks.. Voice for Peace Aug 2012 #43
Exactly, the GOP and Bush's RNC are doing the deciding. Mitt is NOT the Decider. Coyotl Aug 2012 #49
I think it's because they "bonded" on Mitt's trip to WI elfin Aug 2012 #7
That's my hunch too. CJCRANE Aug 2012 #40
Because he's MORMON visitour Aug 2012 #8
Slither back to the bridge now. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #11
And you know that because Coyotl Aug 2012 #50
I might be blowing smoke up my own ass but I smell a rat...a big one and I... BlueJazz Aug 2012 #9
repug powers that 'be' don't 'be' anymore. elleng Aug 2012 #32
To run Ryan in 2016 following a 1 term Rmoney. MichiganVote Aug 2012 #33
That's their fantasy, yes. n/t gkhouston Aug 2012 #34
Obama will kick the shit out of Romney. Just what the hell are you saying? RBInMaine Aug 2012 #45
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #10
Mr. Beck - so nice to see you! Welcome to DU. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #13
Aww....now ya gone and scared him off. chknltl Aug 2012 #41
Peanut Butter RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #12
LOL :o) opihimoimoi Aug 2012 #16
Is peanut butter a metaphor for something? Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2012 #21
Quite possibly. :P RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #25
Maybe Larry Craig knows something about it? Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2012 #29
Or Santorum? :) - n/t coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #58
Jelly DearAbby Aug 2012 #35
LMFAO! RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #38
He doesn't really want to be president? Deep13 Aug 2012 #14
Ryan is the Tea Party's Golden Boy ilikeitthatway Aug 2012 #17
Because Rmoney is Dumber than a fencepost Iggy Aug 2012 #19
Why did Rmoney pick Ryan? billky Aug 2012 #20
I was asking about Ryan's and Romney's i guess we have to phone in Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2012 #30
I heard a dartboard and some blindfolds were involved rurallib Aug 2012 #22
Cuz there's no fix for stupid. SmittynMo Aug 2012 #23
I guess he wanted to double down on stupidity. craigmatic Aug 2012 #24
Desperation MarianJack Aug 2012 #26
T-buggers etc told him to. elleng Aug 2012 #27
Arguably Ryan is more of an atheist than a Catholic... cascadiance Aug 2012 #28
Last one standing? eom Frustratedlady Aug 2012 #31
Just maybe Ryan was in trouble in his House bid. gordianot Aug 2012 #36
He was the "best" of the options remaining. DCBob Aug 2012 #39
Hello. Ding! Ding! Ding! No one with any sense wanted to be within miles of the coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #57
Because the Koch Brothers Told Him To AnnieBW Aug 2012 #44
I was going to say because Rupert Murdoch and Red State told him to nxylas Aug 2012 #46
The cabal is larger than two brothers. Coyotl Aug 2012 #51
1. Funding 2. The Platform and 3. This is about Congress & 2016 CabCurious Aug 2012 #47
rMoney was forced to pick him and here is why PayAttentionFool Aug 2012 #48
I think you are very wrong about this. Ryan will now deliver Congress to the Dems Coyotl Aug 2012 #52
Coherence is a virtue. Jackpine Radical Aug 2012 #53
is wisconisn a swing state? eom tnvoter Aug 2012 #54
Someone better was available? Generic Brad Aug 2012 #55
The companion question, imo, is equally interesting: why did Ryan agree to coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #56
He was the only one who answered the phone mentalsolstice Aug 2012 #59
Good answer. cr8tvlde Aug 2012 #60

Siwsan

(26,295 posts)
1. To kiss tea party ass?
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:19 PM
Aug 2012

Let's face it, they are one of the few groups he hasn't offended.

And, considering Ryan's social agenda, I'd put him in the category of a small 'c' catholic.

elleng

(131,143 posts)
37. You're right on both counts, I think:
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 10:42 PM
Aug 2012

T-buggers, and small 'c.'

So his selection will offend non-t-bugger Independents, and 'C' Catholics.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
42. you may be right.. Romney's been sweating it out without any details to offer
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 11:48 PM
Aug 2012

now.. phew! details to offer!

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
3. I believe he was so desperate to change the conversation away from his taxes
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:22 PM
Aug 2012

and the "Son of Boss" scandal, that had just made it into an ad, that he is trying to change the subject to the Ryand (Ryan + {Ayn} Rand) budget.

On Rachel's show last night she did a great job spelling out how they are completely ignoring that ad even though it is running on the air in 4 swing states. They instead are making lots of noise about a Super PAC ad that is web only, the one where the steelworker tells of his wife's death.

It is another Palin style pick. They need a game changer and they need it now. It may be a short term energy infusion but it also might put Florida into the safe category for us and without Florida Rmoney/Ryand can't win.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
15. That may be a timing issue, but why Ryan instead of Palin or Bachmann?
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:38 PM
Aug 2012
I know!

Or someone else?

This does change the conversation henceforth, but taxes won't go away and have done plenty of stinking up the image.
 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
18. The media will now focus on the Ryand Budget
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:46 PM
Aug 2012

and it will be up to the Obama campaign to keep Rmoney's taxes as part of the conversation.

cindyperry2010

(846 posts)
4. this idiot is not
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:24 PM
Aug 2012

going to win. he is losing and going to lose badly. the only reason he picked ryan was to satisfy his base

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
5. He's the most divisive person he could pick.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:25 PM
Aug 2012

Romney needs both sides to be at each others throats so the middle / independents stay home. Otherwise he's fucked.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
49. Exactly, the GOP and Bush's RNC are doing the deciding. Mitt is NOT the Decider.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:21 AM
Aug 2012

Cheney is likely the Chief Decider now, along with the upper echelon of Intelligence operatives like Daddy Bush, and baby Bush is out clearing brush on the ranch.

elfin

(6,262 posts)
7. I think it's because they "bonded" on Mitt's trip to WI
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:26 PM
Aug 2012

Ryan looks a bit like he could pass for a Romney, but more important, he pulled a lame brain prank on Willard ( can't remember what it was) -- and we all know Willard LOVES pranks.

RMoney feels comfortable around him - plus Janna looks like a younger Ann.

Don't think he gave it all that much analysis. He likes him and the wingers want him.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
40. That's my hunch too.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 10:55 PM
Aug 2012

Romney likes him, they get on well. Plus they're both numbers guys: Romney's interested in how much he can squeeze out of his taxes and Ryan's interested in how much he can squeeze out of the working and middle class.

 

visitour

(7 posts)
8. Because he's MORMON
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:27 PM
Aug 2012

It's true!
Paul Ryan is a closet MORMON.
There's no other possible reason. The guy's clearly not as good a pick as Biden was. Joe will prove that in the upcoming debates. I hope Ryan is wearing his majic underwear.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
9. I might be blowing smoke up my own ass but I smell a rat...a big one and I...
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:31 PM
Aug 2012

...can't put my finger on where or why.

Why would the "powers that control the man" choose one of the worst candidates for VP ??

I just think they're smarter than that.

elleng

(131,143 posts)
32. repug powers that 'be' don't 'be' anymore.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 10:23 PM
Aug 2012

T-buggers told him to do it, lots of clammering this past week.

Don't assume ANY of those are smart. At all.

Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
41. Aww....now ya gone and scared him off.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 10:56 PM
Aug 2012

Friend of the Visitour I suspect. I predict the smell of pizza will lure him back soon enough.

ilikeitthatway

(143 posts)
17. Ryan is the Tea Party's Golden Boy
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:40 PM
Aug 2012

They are jumping for joy over the announcement. That's why Romney choose him. It's like when Reagan chose Bush. Reagan was seen as too liberal for the base. This is how Romney is viewed by the core of his Party.

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
19. Because Rmoney is Dumber than a fencepost
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:47 PM
Aug 2012

and prolly bcause some dumb advisers of his "advised" him this is a solid pick.

Rmoney may have just lost FL.. and the entire ball of wax.

Obama is celebrating in Chi-Town tonight!

 

billky

(159 posts)
20. Why did Rmoney pick Ryan?
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:56 PM
Aug 2012
Because you haven't heard anybody talking about his taxes today, have you?
 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
28. Arguably Ryan is more of an atheist than a Catholic...
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 10:19 PM
Aug 2012

Many in the Catholic church don't care for how he tries to sell his policies as motivated by his Catholic faith in addition to his almost religious following of adamant atheist Ayn Rand.

gordianot

(15,245 posts)
36. Just maybe Ryan was in trouble in his House bid.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 10:40 PM
Aug 2012

This would give him a good excuse and preserve his chance for 2016.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
57. Hello. Ding! Ding! Ding! No one with any sense wanted to be within miles of the
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 11:08 AM
Aug 2012

listing ship U.S.S. Romney.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
46. I was going to say because Rupert Murdoch and Red State told him to
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 04:43 AM
Aug 2012

And letting them dictate the VP pick worked out so well for John McCain.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
51. The cabal is larger than two brothers.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:25 AM
Aug 2012

But, they sure are the deep pockets right now, willing to throw what it takes at politics to buy the country, a gamble they can afford with unimaginably great paybacks.

CabCurious

(954 posts)
47. 1. Funding 2. The Platform and 3. This is about Congress & 2016
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 04:55 AM
Aug 2012

1. Romney's campaign was under attack from within the GOP

This campaign has been terribly run. They put everything on bashing Obama and basically had no means to rally support around Romney himself. It was backfiring. The gaffes and the lack of "positives" meant they had to react.

The GOP have been raising a BILLION dollars to throw at this election. They were turning on Romney. He needed a pick that put the focus back on "policy issues" which the base could support. Ryan.

2. The Party Platform

Romney couldn't possibly command any sway over this GOP in terms of a moderate platform. The GOP insiders believe they must always pander to the base, Rove-style, which means pandering to the TeaParty and religious-right. The convention is right around the corner, so for Romney to plant a stake in that Platform he needed to make his ticket about it.

The best way for Romney to clearly distinguish himself from Obama on policy was to lurch libertarian. Ryan.

3. The GOP insiders care about Congress and 2016, not Romney

I truly believe that those pouring hundreds of millions into the election only barely believe Romney can actually win. They know the limits of bashing Obama. They are investing in holding onto power in Congress and looking ahead at the next four years. They want to focus on changing the terms of the national dialog. Romney is just a tool for them.

And I think Romney knows that.

For Romney to have a voice in the GOP, he needed to adapt to the change in tone and direction. Ryan doesn't help him win electoral votes, but he helps Romney's legacy and legitimacy as a voice of the new GOP. Even after he loses, Romney has assured himself a central role in the establishment. Meanwhile, he'll hope Obama makes a huge mistake.

 

PayAttentionFool

(57 posts)
48. rMoney was forced to pick him and here is why
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 06:10 AM
Aug 2012

Friday afternoons is Trash Day in DC politics, now some may ask why is that called Trash Day, well it is because nobody except political junkies are paying attention when something you really don't regular people chattering about all weekend so you announce it Friday late in the day.

rMoney has been being hammered on his taxes almost to the point of being a distraction and all anything people want to talk about, rMoney could have waited closer to the convention when everyone would be watching and the media would have givenen him all the time he wanted to roll out the VP pick, now it appears that the choice of Ryan is nothing more then a desperate atempt to distract people from his tax problem.

Again it comes back to why Ryan...becasue it does not matter who he picked at all, win or lose for Mitt, the 99% lose and the GOP wins even if President Obama wins in a landslide. Ryan is nothing more then red meat to the RW base.

Gee now why would you post that?

Because that is the reality and the truth.

No REAL 60 seat majority in the Senate nor a majority in the house, the best the Senate can do is a 50/50 split and toss in the Blue Dogs and you have a defacto Pub Majority in the Senate.


4 more years of grid lock is what we will get, along with hoping and praying one or 2 of the Reich Wing a-holes on the SCOTUS croaks and President Obama gets to nominate a moderate Dem, because we all know a Liberal progressive Judge will never be confirmed.


For all intensives purposes the election is over now and America Lost.

This is what bipartisanship looks like folks and has always been President Obama’s achilles heal .

The conservations now need to turn to how to mitigate any damage from the RW the next 4 years.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
52. I think you are very wrong about this. Ryan will now deliver Congress to the Dems
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:31 AM
Aug 2012

because obstruction becomes a big issue. Mitt just delivered one of the best issues the Dems have to the front table on a silver platter, the Tea Party and Congressional inaction moves to the fore. The result will be more Dems elected to Congress on the Obama coattail and control of Congress for the next four years.

Also, this time around, Obama will be able to place his picks on the Supreme Court with ease. The Senate will have new rules in order to make the next four years productive.

Generic Brad

(14,276 posts)
55. Someone better was available?
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 10:57 AM
Aug 2012

I think not. There is no one - and I literally mean NO ONE - in the GOP camp who would have been a good pick. They are a collection of sycophantic parrots who unthinkingly repeat the daily talking points supplied to them. Paul Ryan is as good as any of the others simply because they pride themselves on being interchangeable.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
56. The companion question, imo, is equally interesting: why did Ryan agree to
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 11:02 AM
Aug 2012

be on a ticket with such a loser as Romney?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021111231

N.B. I believe L.D.S. would be considered 'Protestant,' since it is not RC or Orthodox. Fringey Protestant, admittedly, but Protestant nonetheless.

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