Actually, it really was a spontaneous thought that occurred to me during the debate.

Probably not a unique thought, but it was my honest gut reaction.

as you have.

If she's not running for President I'd have no problem with her.

But she represents the brand culture in which everything is supposed to fit into an acceptable mold. And that is not conducive to positive change.

Great book, and you are SPOT ON here. All that counts is building the brand. Substance is only an impediment to the mission at hand.

And your analysis could have come straight out of the book.

Yeah! If you hadn't, you would have realized she won the debate..... or something....

or a game, it's about the Dems winning the Presidency, Congress and the Senate and changing the way this country and the world is heading. Something like a revolution, a political revolution.

"...totally within the parameters of Accepted Behavior and Opinions in today's Corporate Value System."

The problem is that she has to be to even have a chance to get elected. I don't particularly blame her--I blame the voters.

And being where she is makes her "electable". Pretty vague, but given the ignorance of too many voters and the disappointing apathy of non-voters, it is true.

Just like Obama was....

How so?

As usual when you ask them to elaborate on these extravagant claims.

Glomming onto you with a thought I've had since yesterday. Reading some of the media commentary about the debates, I thought some of the metrics being tossed out by pundits were interesting. Clinton was being praised for deflecting and "pivoting" deftly. In short, it was considered a positive value to avoid answering a question.

Part of the rationale for believing she did well seemed to be how well she pulled the wool over voters' eyes, not whether or not her policies and vision would be good for the country.

Granted, most politicians attempt this, and Clinton is very polished at it. But to actively consider it a good in our political context by the media organizations who are ostensibly supposed to be about rooting out facts and objective truth . . .

It struck me as a little funny how pundits didn't even pretend they were bothered by obfuscation. It's a solid political recommendation to them.

I think both Sanders and Clinton "won" in that they accomplished what they needed to at this point in the campaign.

But it's sort of very weird that the praise being heaped on Clinton has a strong flavor of, "Wasn't she an amazing bullshitter?! It was awesome!"

I mean . . . ok. If that's what you're looking for as the American system groans and creaks like the Titanic readjusting its angle of descent.

That pretty much describes the whole political system, doesn't it.
THAT is what was so great about Sanders' opening statement.l it was NOT about ME ME ME ME ME ME !!!!

We need some of those now, Woody, Pete Seeger, Dlyan and many others, they fought back with their voices and emotions.

You captured what I was feeling, but not quite consciously, just below the surface. Your words resonated strongly, and really clarified what was swirling around the murky depths of my mind.

Its still time for change and HRC is not it.

Someone else here used that a couple of months ago, and I thought it was good.

But the point is, she's not in this for the people.

While Bernie's in it only for the people.

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I don't know if I'm 1/2 unthinking zombie or?

I'm trying to figure this out, please help

In a whisper..................














bernie

We know that she will say and do anything to get what she wants and she wants to be president. Once in office, she will cast aside the mask adopted to get elected and be another corporate shill.

Molded by years of effort to be whatever you want her to be.

With no real core beliefs, moral center or principles.

Just like another famous paranoid American politician, who was not a crook.

with this kind of enemy within? Lend your copywriting services to the opposition. They could use you.

who would sell out the people to big banks and corporations.

It all depends on your point of view.

Thanks for the thread, Armstead.

I smiled throughout this thread but you cracked me up!

She's so polished, she gleams. She's almost always perfectly practiced and poised when her temper doesn't get the better of her. She's a perfect image of the soulless society the RW believe is there utopia...she's perfect(ly deadly) for us.