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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 07:02 PM Aug 2012

GOP Concerned Ryan Could Cost Party House And Senate Seats

By Cameron Joseph and Alexandra Jaffe - 08/13/12 06:11 PM ET

Republicans strategists are worried that Rep. Paul Ryan’s (R-Wis.) addition to the presidential ticket will cost their party House and Senate seats this fall.

Their concern: Democrats will successfully demonize Ryan’s budget plan, which contains controversial spending cuts and changes to Medicare.

“There are a lot races that are close to the line we're not going to win now because they're going to battle out who's going to kill grandma first, ObamaCare or Paul Ryan's budget,” said one Republican strategist who works on congressional races. “It could put the Senate out of reach. In the House it puts a bunch of races in play that would have otherwise been safe. ... It remains to be seen how much damage this causes, but my first blush is this is not good.”

Many Republicans in tough races this year, especially in the House, voted for Ryan’s proposal, which makes it hard for them to distance themselves from it.

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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/243473-gop-concerned-ryan-could-cost-party-house-and-senate-seats

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GOP Concerned Ryan Could Cost Party House And Senate Seats (Original Post) Purveyor Aug 2012 OP
Well let's pray they are right for a change. southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #1
Smells like fear BeyondGeography Aug 2012 #2
Indeed, I bet most people were unaware of the Ryan budget before this week arcane1 Aug 2012 #3
The downtickets for the Republicans are in extreme danger. Panasonic Aug 2012 #4
From their lips to god's ears. n/t nichomachus Aug 2012 #5
This just gets better and better. JNelson6563 Aug 2012 #6
I'm down with that. Scuba Aug 2012 #7
Rmoney should have picked Politicalboi Aug 2012 #8
With today's "liberally-biased media", I would likely be surprised if zbdent Aug 2012 #9
The Repug Convention Ought To Be Fun......nt global1 Aug 2012 #10
I'm lovin' it :) Tx4obama Aug 2012 #11
You mean some Reps are going to have to explain their extremist Tea Party votes?! high density Aug 2012 #12
I just realized - Romney is just like bush, but not as smart. n/t Lil Missy Aug 2012 #13
Bet you got a chuckle typing that, a once in a lifetime sentence..LOL....n/t monmouth Aug 2012 #15
LOL! I did. I did enjoy that. Lil Missy Aug 2012 #16
and less charismatic NewJeffCT Aug 2012 #18
I know, can you picture Romney ever drinking beer? Thor_MN Aug 2012 #32
I was thinking that while reading a post last night about Obama visiting the Iowa State Fair. gkhouston Aug 2012 #44
Only a gormet kabob... And then with real Silverware, after pulling it off the skewer Thor_MN Aug 2012 #52
I agree rbrnmw Aug 2012 #31
He will. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #14
Boo fucking Hoo NewJeffCT Aug 2012 #17
Excellent. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #19
Their concern is noted... Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #20
that was my first thought too Motown_Johnny Aug 2012 #21
I doubt Mitwit did this on his own Mz Pip Aug 2012 #22
I'm sure he did not pick Ryan on his own Freddie Aug 2012 #29
That would be fantastic ailsagirl Aug 2012 #23
Well, . . . YAY! tclambert Aug 2012 #24
Sounds like a gig for the DU "Cry Me A River" string quartet! rocktivity Aug 2012 #25
and this would be a problem WHY??? niyad Aug 2012 #26
I love the smell of desperation spinbaby Aug 2012 #27
Romney was already dragging them down - this accelerates it tomm2thumbs Aug 2012 #28
This sounds good news to me. riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #30
The real Republican strategy is to disenfranchise enough Democrats... AdHocSolver Aug 2012 #33
It just couldn't happen existentialist Aug 2012 #34
You can always count on Republicans to overreach californiamike49 Aug 2012 #35
Here is the way the teaheads humbled_opinion Aug 2012 #36
They truly are brainwashed beyond repair! Did you tell them they should consult? Amonester Aug 2012 #38
Yep humbled_opinion Aug 2012 #49
If They Are Soooo Concerned About the "Unsustainability of Medicare and SS", Then... Yavin4 Aug 2012 #47
Yes I ask that and they reply... humbled_opinion Aug 2012 #48
Emergency outsideworld Aug 2012 #37
saw it posted here already Kali Aug 2012 #39
Hi welcome to DU! Isn't that video shocking? progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #42
Thank you, I've been concerned, too DianaForRussFeingold Aug 2012 #46
Behind the scenes… CobaltBlue Aug 2012 #40
We don't need to "demonize" it, only publicize it. It's a heartless POS budget... progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #41
Because the Romney strategy was to not say any policy specifics but Ryan already has KurtNYC Aug 2012 #43
This race is going to be about Ryan not Romney Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2012 #45
I don't know humbled_opinion Aug 2012 #50
Maybe we will finally get that Democrat controlled house and Senate that the wingnuts always say we jillan Aug 2012 #51
 

Panasonic

(2,921 posts)
4. The downtickets for the Republicans are in extreme danger.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 07:09 PM
Aug 2012

Hopefully the Ryan seat will be turned over to the Democrats so Ryan has nowhere else to go but become a lobbyist for the first time ever and he wouldn't know how to fill the W-9 form correctly.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
8. Rmoney should have picked
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 07:17 PM
Aug 2012

Portman. But that's just my opinion. I'm glad he picked Ryan. He can't even make an easy pick. Had to go with the one who he is now distancing himself from.
Marvelous Mitt Marvelous.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
9. With today's "liberally-biased media", I would likely be surprised if
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 07:18 PM
Aug 2012

the Dems in the House number in the triple digits 1/4/2013 ...

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
44. I was thinking that while reading a post last night about Obama visiting the Iowa State Fair.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 11:29 AM
Aug 2012

It was a run-of-the-mill cute picture of the President chatting up a baby, but the linked article mentioned he got some beer and a pork chop on a stick. Can you image Romney eating food on a stick?

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
52. Only a gormet kabob... And then with real Silverware, after pulling it off the skewer
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 08:12 PM
Aug 2012

I think he would consider that "quaint" and "roughng it".

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
31. I agree
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:25 PM
Aug 2012

In 88 when Poppy picked Quayle I didn't think I would ever see a dumber pol then came Dubya and now they found one even dumber than both put together, in Mittens

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
17. Boo fucking Hoo
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 08:06 PM
Aug 2012

I hope they're right and Democrats pick up as many seats as Republics did in 2010 because Republics are so un-enthused.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
20. Their concern is noted...
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 08:20 PM
Aug 2012

LOL!

They damn will should be concerned. Democrats won two House seats in special elections in the past year, and let's not forget that even though Scott Walker kept his job in Wisconsin, three Republican State Senators lost theirs.

In a perfect world, I'd like to see the "big money" PACS focus their fire on the "do nothing" Congress. That would have the double benefit of helping Obama AND helping individual congressional candidates.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
21. that was my first thought too
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 08:26 PM
Aug 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1109466

^snip^

All Democrats can now run against the Ryan budget. All House and Senate candidates

now need to pick a side and it will be along party lines.

This is going to help us in Congress, not hurt us.


Mz Pip

(27,452 posts)
22. I doubt Mitwit did this on his own
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 08:36 PM
Aug 2012

Hard to believe he didn't have a bevy of GOP consultants and pollsters advising him on who to pick. I'm not sure how this was supposed to help Romney. There just aren't enough Teabaggers out there to win this for Romney. He already had their vote anyway since they hate Obama so much they would have voted for a dead rat over Obama.

Who is supposed to jump on board who already wasn't on board? Women? Ryan won't help there. Moderates? Fat chance. Minorities? I don't get it but then I don't get much of GOP politics these days.

Freddie

(9,272 posts)
29. I'm sure he did not pick Ryan on his own
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:11 PM
Aug 2012

He was "advised by the party" just like McCain was. Remember how well that turned out.
If the PTB in the Repug Party didn't realize just how toxic Ryan's ideas are to the general public, then they really are living in an alternate universe.
My heart bleeds for them.

spinbaby

(15,090 posts)
27. I love the smell of desperation
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:05 PM
Aug 2012

He not only picked the divisive candidate, he announced too early for the momentum to carry into the convention. Probably announced this weekend to distract us from that embarrassing whine where he begged Obama not to pick on his business record. And he STILL hasn't released his taxes. The billionaires can't throw enough money at this to cover up the stink.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
28. Romney was already dragging them down - this accelerates it
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:11 PM
Aug 2012

Sometimes throwing a drowning person an iron-anvil isn't the best thing

riverbendviewgal

(4,253 posts)
30. This sounds good news to me.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:13 PM
Aug 2012

I sure hope Obama gets the majority on both senate and hous.

It would be so good for America.

AdHocSolver

(2,561 posts)
33. The real Republican strategy is to disenfranchise enough Democrats...
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:33 PM
Aug 2012

...by means of voting restrictions, phony "felon lists", and hacked voting machines so that the Republicans don't need to get more votes on the basis of their political agenda.

35. You can always count on Republicans to overreach
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:49 PM
Aug 2012

They win elections by pretending not to be as right-wing as they really are (remember Gee Dubya, the "compassionate conservative Connecticut cowboy?&quot , but when they do win they decide America must have voted for their radical agenda.

Then they overreach and we have a real change election.

Currently the GOP makes Goldwater look like a liberal and Reagan look like a moderate. And isn't it a great move when you absolutely need to win Florida to nominate the scariest candidate possible to senior citizens? Mittens has a completely tin ear.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
36. Here is the way the teaheads
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:55 PM
Aug 2012

at my job are spinning this. "The trajectory of the debt because of the medicare and Social Security deficits puts both programs on an unsustainable path that will ruin the economy in the next 10-15 years. The time to act is now not leave this for the next generation because than it will be too late and the programs will fall to austerity and may destroy the entire economy. tax increases will not be enough to pay to fix the program and even tax increases only buy more time because the only way to deal with it is by dealing with the cost of medical care itself."

Then they claim that the country certainly will have a choice in NOV and they say that inevitably the people will decide if the majority has concluded that it is entitled to vote itself benefits from the public trust than they claim it will mean the end of the Democracy because it will only be a matter of time before the rich who pay for it all will abandon everyone else and prepare for the coming dictatorship... blah blah...

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
38. They truly are brainwashed beyond repair! Did you tell them they should consult?
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:30 PM
Aug 2012

Wow. Maybe a return to taxing those mega-duper-beyond-reason riches on the 1960 level is too simple a solution... and eliminating the cap for SS so everyone pays in it, everyone gets it, and they then do their taxes each year so those who don't need it pay it back.... too simple a solution for them I know.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
49. Yep
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 06:19 PM
Aug 2012

They say what are we going the route of France with a 75 percent tax rate for the rich and if that is true, I always get hammered with this one.... " We all agree that the rich don't pay their fair share", but taxing them more will not ensure that they pay on single dime more, because the rich are not altruistic nor are they dumb they are rich and have the means and methods to hide, move, take advantage of loopholes, hire accountants, play tricks, cheat, and or ultimately pass on those tax increases to the consumers that buy their goods and services because after all when have you bought something produced by a poor person or ever got a job by a poor person, so although noble taxing the rich doesn't work and never has....

They are steeped in this mentality...

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
47. If They Are Soooo Concerned About the "Unsustainability of Medicare and SS", Then...
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:56 PM
Aug 2012

why don't they advocate raising taxes now as well?

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
48. Yes I ask that and they reply...
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 06:11 PM
Aug 2012

reforming the programs will make them solvent and there will be no need for tax increases. Of course they say all Americans rich and poor are taxed enough already and they add that making government smaller will solve the fiscal issues. Of course I immediately get labled a tax and spend type because all I advocate according to them is more government programs which cost more taxpayer money and grant more benefits that simply cannot be paid for without additional revenue...

I argued this point down with them before and it appears they are totally convinced that moving any money out of the private economy to be managed by government is always a bad move because of the government waste involved leaves little or no ROI and only manages to give government more power and more control over our lives....

It's impossible to change their minds...

outsideworld

(601 posts)
37. Emergency
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:12 PM
Aug 2012

Just Joined to Get You folks help make this viral

The first video is self-explanatory, but I have transcribed as much of it here as possible because of the poor quality of the audiovisuals. This took place last fall at one of Congressman Rep. Ryan’s “Pay to Play” town hall meetings where he was discussing cutting Senior’s Social Security, and Medicare as a means of debt reduction. As you might imagine, one senior was not pleased.

Ryan: “Most of our debt in the future comes from our entitlement programs.”

Senior citizen: “Hey, (Garbled; Ryan continues to speak). I paid into that for 50 years, my unemployment and my Social Security and my Medicare, and now you’re gonna…” At this point you hear the police who are dragging him out shouting, “on the ground, on the ground”.

Ryan then jokes, “I hope he’s taken his blood-pressure medication”, and the room laughs with him.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/08/11/paul-ryan-cracks-joke-as-71-year-old-citizen-is-forced-to-the-ground-videos/
CNN AARP ETC lets get this to them . thx

Kali

(55,019 posts)
39. saw it posted here already
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:31 PM
Aug 2012

so it is getting around

welcome to DU - it can be hard to scoop this place! LOL

best place on the tubes for news and info

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
42. Hi welcome to DU! Isn't that video shocking?
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 11:09 PM
Aug 2012

I notice that every time Ryan gives his power point presentation, he starts with "end entitlements."

DianaForRussFeingold

(2,552 posts)
46. Thank you, I've been concerned, too
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:27 PM
Aug 2012

Welcome to DU!
Here's a DU Op with updates:
"Paul Ryan CRACKS JOKE As 71 Year-Old CITIZEN Is FORCED To The Ground":
Post 18.: "71 year old retiree Tom Nielsen on why Paul Ryan had him arrested Audio Interview": http://www.democraticunderground.com/101748185

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
41. We don't need to "demonize" it, only publicize it. It's a heartless POS budget...
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 11:08 PM
Aug 2012

GOP should be worried. But this is what they got from their primaries. An vapid egomaniac that refused to listen to anyone's advice, and picked Ryan who is going to be a world of hurt for the GOP down ticket. He exposes you for the heartless pricks you really are.

So the Dems aren't making anything up about the Budget. It's there in black and white.. ain't no interpretation in a budget, folks. It's not fucking modern dance!!

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
43. Because the Romney strategy was to not say any policy specifics but Ryan already has
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 11:11 AM
Aug 2012

For example, Romney says shit like: "I will repeal Obamacare and replace it." He carefully never says WHAT he will replace it with.

Paul Ryan has already put his cards on the table.

What many fear Romney would do, Ryan has already promised to do.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
50. I don't know
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 06:33 PM
Aug 2012

It is a tricky dance, but based on my talking with the teaheads at my job and what I am seeing starting to build up, I think they are trying to convince 51 percecnt that the debt trajectory is the number one threat to a our national security, they will talk about things like the sequestration that is going to take effect in the DOD because no one cut spending or raised revenues they will try and convince them that America as we understand it will not exist for our children and theirs because fiscal calamity ultimately destroys all the social programs via austerity, they will claim that we can see this trajectory in the last few years that even a recession can double the national debt overnight... They will start using charts and economists to show worst case scenarios. They will argue that when the interest rates are raised on our current debt there will never be enough revenue to even pay the interest payments

... and then when enough people are ripe they will say and what have the Democrats done about this for the last 6 years since the great change election of 2006 and when they took over the House and Senate they have failed to address any of these concerns they see the train wreck coming and refuse to offer any reforms to the entitlement programs that are causing this coming catastrophe no they only offer new programs, new spending, more debt for Obamacare and more debt by growing government bigger and more debt by bailing out the auto industry and more debt by their welfare free giveaways more debt that will ultimately destroy the USA..

jillan

(39,451 posts)
51. Maybe we will finally get that Democrat controlled house and Senate that the wingnuts always say we
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 07:04 PM
Aug 2012

had in 2009/2010.

Only problem is that Ted Kennedy was sick for most of the year, and then passed on (man - do I miss him!!) and it took forever to seat Al Franken.
It was actually less than 1 year when we controlled both houses of Congress.

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