I don't trust Hillary about any gawddamn thing.

You would trust HRC with everything else? She is a great actress and there are plenty of dense people out there who will blindly follow her.

Back in 2008 campaign, Hillary was recalling her fine memories of gun ownership. Telling stories of hunting with her father.

nt

Hundreds of thousands were killed, wounded, turned into refuges and millions are still paying a huge price for it today.

Thousands still die yearly, yet Bernie voted to protect gun manufacturers from lawsuits and against the Brady bill 5 times.

Senator Hillary Clinton not only voted FOR it, but gave a 19 minute speech defending George W Bush's illegal and immoral invasion of another sovereign nation.

Well over 1 million.

Bernie Sanders not only voted against the Brady bill 5 times, but he also voted to shield gun manufactures from lawsuits.

Now.

PROVE that suing gun manufacturers, making a LEGAL product, in a LEGAL way, would stop gun deaths from happening. Not just more ridiculous blathered, completely made from whole cloth, presumptions.

PROVE IT.

WITH FACTS.

Ya got nuthin'.

If guns are made in the USA - yes I expect it might work. Many weapons enter the USA illegally from other countries so....

... is presented by this poster? I have yet to see ANY evidence that lawsuits against a maker of a LEGAL product, made LEGALLY and PROPERLY, that performs the function it is designed and sold for, would even be successful, let alone prevent any deaths.

PROOF is PROOF. Opinions are not.


And I have never owned a gun and never will.

All this flaming of each other and arguing means very little.
Women, Mothers will see this record against the Brady Bill
and FEEL there is something wrong there. It leaves a very
bitter taste. And should. We need to find out what is truly up with this. Bernie God, Hillary Satan is a manipulation. Been there done that.

The PROOF we need is to follow this story back to WHY Bernie
did this with the Brady Bill and WHO owned him to do so.
It is not about Hillary. Or Hillary and Bernie.
It is about Bernie clearing his record by answering the doubts present in a clear way. So there is unity instead of all this teenage drama. It is exhausting. We need to hear Bernie clear the record, not all the kids shouting for him. Noise is a manipulation.
The Nixon play book to take out the kid uprising may be afoot again. And cocaine finished off. Or they just hold another war.This is a VERY tired agenda and they keep re running it.

All the other conflicts , arguing and drama here mean very little
but to light Bernie Kids up. And that is not helpful or a positive service either. For anyone.

Politics is War and conflict.
How can ANY PEACE AND NON VIOLENCE come out of such a flawed immature process and out of date system as American political process? All this youth energy for the 2016 election seems to have put the environmental healing and the Monsanto
poisoning off center for the MSM.Distraction cha cha cha.

All it gives is more conflict and drama which feed back into profits before people, before children, before life on the planet. It is part of the Grinder to keep us stuck and keep the same old crap going.
When it ( the election carnage) is over what is left? A group of very sad , upset and nihilist young people. OR Revolution.
Either way, it does not solve the problems we have and like all Revolutions only installs a whole new set of problems on top of the old.

ALL OF THIS IS BASED ON PROFIT BEFORE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR EVERYONE on this planet. Bernie is cracking the door to let some light in. This is GOOD for all of us.
But he has some questions to answer.
Other wise it is all vaudeville again with Bernie Trump or Hillary Jeb.It is a tent show to distract the populace to keep the Grinder Going.

We need to question EVERYONE running for president and keep questioning them where they miss stepped or supported the Darkness. ALL OF THEM. Even Bernie.

This is not about yea Bernie , Hillary sucks. This is about divide and conquer again. Drama Drama Drama. Psyop.
This is about all of us, and ANYONE WHO HOLDS OR HAS HELD AN OFFICE AND THEIR RECORD ABOUT EVERYTHING IN THEIR LIVES. NO ONE IS EXEMPT. Hunt it down find out what went on.
Follow the money. If there is nothing there why are people so defensive and upset. Everyy politician is human, makes deals with the devil. NO ONE holds a seat in Congress and is NOT compromised.

illogical ones.

there are no direct lines from those senator votes to the end of the "death by gun in this country since 1968" number as there are for HC's IW vote. The latter are inextricably intertwined, the former not so much, and by a long shot.

... went completely UNANSWERED.

As I said...

Ya got nuthin'.

......not sell any guns again:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/us/milwaukee-badger-guns-negligence-lawsuit/

Milwaukee gun shop found negligent in police officers' lawsuit


CNN)—A Milwaukee jury awarded about $5 million in damages on Tuesday after finding a gun shop negligent for selling a pistol to a man who shot two police officers.

The Milwaukee officers, Bryan Norberg and Graham Kunisch, alleged Julius Burton obtained the gun in June 2009 through a "straw buy" at Badger Guns, according to CNN affiliate WISN.



The officers say the shop personnel were negligent because it was obvious another man actually bought the gun for Burton, who was too young to legally make the purchase, the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reported.

What a depraved way to see life, eh?

If my car malfunctions and causes me to hit and kill someone and/or injure myself, then the car did not function in the way it was intended and I (or the people I hit) can sue the manufacturer. The car's intended purpose is to carry passengers from point A to point B if driven in a way consistent with manufacturer specs and common sense driving.

Guns are manufactured to kill animals and people. That they are performing the way they are intended isn't worthy of litigation. It would just clog up the court system.

There are legitimate measures we can take to get guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, but suing gun manufacturers for producing a product that works as intended isn't very logical.

On the flip side of this: if a person purposefully drives a car into a crowd of people, injuring and killing them, is it the car manufacturer's fault? No.

So, while not defending Sanders' No votes, the fact is that his No votes did not contribute to the loss of lives, since the House passed the bills every time (except on the day when they voted on two versions the same day, where the first one didn't pass but the second one did).

OTOH, the IWR passed and did cost lives, and HRC's vote did contribute to that.

So, on either guns or Iraq, you can choose whose votes you prefer, that's a personal choice. But based on which bills passed, Sanders' vote did not contribute to any loss of life, and HRC's did.

Overall, I think the comparison is pretty pointless. But if you're going to argue that voting against the Brady Bill is worse because more people die from guns, then I think you should recognize that his votes did not contribute to any deaths, and her vote did.

would have passed regardless of Hillary's vote. Not much different from saying the gun bills were passed in spite of Bernie's vote.

but if your side "wins" I think it is fair for you to take some of the credit/blame. As candidates generally do. At least the credit part. The votes you lose don't count for anything.

But as an aside, I think Hillary may have done more than just contribute her one vote. I think most Hillary supporters would say she was a pretty influential Senator, high profile even among her peers, and she gave an impassioned 19 minute speech on why she was voting Yes, which may have served to help persuade others who might have been wavering that they should vote Yes as well. So really, who knows how much responsibility to assign to her? Very possibly more than one vote's worth.

not.

It was a different time and the mood of the country was different. I wouldn't have voted for it but I wouldn't have voted to go to war with Germany and Japan...I don't believe in war period. The men in my family have fought in almost every war starting with the revolutionary war and I think it screwed up all of them. They all were good, honorable men who paid for their service for the rest of their lives.

Had the IWR not passed, hundreds of thousands of needless deaths would have been prevented, and the quagmire that is the current Middle East might not exist. See the difference? While I don't agree with Bernie's decision to vote against the Brady Bill, you have to admit that there's a lot more that can and should be done about gun violence in America. I think Bernie is currently for stricter gun control than you give him credit for, and more importantly he supports overhauling our mental healthcare system.

After a quick search, I found this article about a study published in 2003 about the Brady Bill. To sum it up, the legislation had no statistical effect on gun violence. And though it may have prevented a number of people from attaining a gun due to their criminal records, there's no way to tell how effective that part of the bill is because of the gun show loophole and other factors. I'm posting this article because it comes from an academic source that doesn't appear to have a political motive. I'm sure there's tons of "studies" out there from various advocate groups on the effects of the bill that show support or come out against it in some way.

http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/news/2003_spr/cook.htm

Along with many thousands scarred both mentally and physically for life. To say nothing of the uncounted tens of thousands of innocent people who have had their lives ended or destroyed beyond repair because of the warmongers and their evil invasion. And we don't need to move the goalposts back to 1968 to make that point.

not Iraqis or people of color.

More people die from Bill Clinton's refusal to enforce clean air standards on electric utility emissions. More people die from prescription drug complications and medical errors. More people die from eating junk food.

You are calling the Brady bill 'toothless'.

Politifact also points out that she falsely suggested that Snowden had the opportunity to expose illegal wire-tapping and enjoy whistleblower protections. And she also lied when she pretended that she had only said that she hoped TPP would set the gold standard for trade agreements.

for me, this in no way overshadows war, fracking, H-1B visas, cluster bombs and the TPP. So the continued banging of that drum is pointless.

Is a non issue.
I myself am a gun owner and honestly, I don't see Hillary's answers on the issue as working. Bernie's voting record to me makes sense and I am of the same train of thought that what's work in rural America won't work in inner city America and vice versa. This is completely true.

Trying to keep guns out of the hands of criminals is a difficult task. No gun legislation is going to stop guns being traded illegally. It might help but it is not going to stop it. Keeping guns away from the mentally ill will help. However there is nothing to stop someone who is mentally ill being given a gun from a member of the family or someone else. Tougher gun legislation will help but will not solve the problem.

And other than this one single issue, what else do you find bad about Bernie in your eyes? I'm curious.

watching the debates i cringed as i watched omalley and clinton try and out shine each other with their gun control stances

i kind of expected them to say....we will go door to door enforcing....

which of course is the midwest's nightmare about dems

illinois already has a repub gov and senator, saints help us if it goes red in the ge

Thats pathetic

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his D-rating, and his main focus is on ending the corporate leeches' Capitoline liberum veto over things that 90% of NRA members want

there's only one big candidate whose followers believe agrees with them on every issues as they shift them constantly

I'd better vote for Hillary, then. And when we have troops on the ground not only in Iraq and Afghanistan, but also Syria and Iran, I can feel good about how Hillary voted for the Brady bill, even though new gun control has also not been enacted because Hillary prioritized some new trade deal over that.

supporters!!!

He couldn't care less what happens in other states.

Just sayin'

So your 'point' is irrelevant.

Nice job!!! Now try comparing Sanders to Clinton objectively.

Or are you just cherry picking one issue as an attempt to bash Bernie? People who gloss over all of the imperfections of their preferred candidate yet won't give another candidate a break on anything lack credibility.

which is your implication.

But you knew that didn't you?

The fact is Bernie Sanders vote against the Brady bill did not give one permission to fight in a senseless war.

On the other hand a YES vote for the Iraq war by Hillary gave the Bush's incompetent administration permission to send our troops into a war zone that cost us over 4,000 lives.
It also left thousands of our troops maimed and many with out eyesight and broken futures and families.

So Hillary are you really proud of your vote to authorize Bush to send troops to Iraq for a war for OIL.?

Please read this very closely and pay particular attention all of the exemptions many states were afforded.

This Bill was like something the lobbyists for the NRA would would have written and in fact it may have been.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/19990728/the-brady-handgun-violence-prevention-a

It's not that I'm heartless about the people killed by gun violence. I realize gun control laws will do little to stop the killing. Any law we can pass, that will stand up to constitutional objections, will be ineffective. There may be a couple exceptions, and we need to explore those, but more assault weapons bans, etc. aren't going to do very much.

That one issue will not derail the other outstanding policy positions if this man of the people ...

The gun issue is a tough one, and Bernie has all the other policies we need, outside of the intractable issue of gun control ...

Bernie, for the win ...

The left's reaction to Bernie's historical gun control record clearly demonstrates how the hardliners on both sides are willing to ignore the flaws of their preferred candidates.

Thanks for posting this information.

We call Hillary a liar about a lot of stuff she really didn't say.

Bernie's been an anti-NRA vote about 95% of the time.

So he was against the particular provisions of the Brady bill?
So he voted against it five times?


SO FUCKING WHAT!
He's voted for plenty of other anti-gun legislation. I don't demand 100% on this particular issue-- in fact, I don't even want it.

The fact that Hillary wants to prove how anti-gun she is,
puts a big fat MINUS in her column in my book.