2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe DC rally is ON with a new date. Share this widely!
[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]From Facebook (copied verbatim, including typos):
The powers that took us down out of facebook, that destroyed the rally that had 111K RSVPS, that announced Hillary Clinton as the winner of the first debate when literally EVERY ONLINE POLL AT EVERY OUTLET SHOWED BERNIE SANDERS AS THE RUNAWAY VICTOR WITH 70-86% SUPPORT - they will stop at nothing to make sure Bernie Sanders doesn't win the White House. We do believe that people who are on a payroll to work social media for Clinton are responsible for attacking our rally relentlessly for 10 days. Normal people don't spend 24 hours a day 7 days a week trolling the same event to the tune of 1,000's of troll posts and reports.
They are Wall Street who regulates Congress.
They are the KOCH empire.
They are establishment politics.
They are Oligarchs.
They want to keep the shriking middle class firmly under their shoe heel so our children cannot rise. Yes this is a feudal system where the overlords will stop at nothing to keep the poor and less privileged down. Dramatic, probably. True, ABSOLUTELY.
There is too much at stake this election to let them win. We must come back even stronger than before and in greater numbers.
Full original content: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/100000-enough-is-enough-rally-bernie-sanders-for-president-tickets-19130771653
[font color="navy"]Share on Facebook and any other social media site you participate in. Share repeatedly, daily if possible, until the word is out all over the country and no one can stop this event.
[font color="purple"]Go, Bernie!
Ride the purple wave and join The Purple Revolution!
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I'll be on the East Coast in November, but have to leave just a week before, which is killing me. I so wish I could stay for it!
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Saturday, November 28, 2015 from 10:00 AM to 1:00 PM (EST)
Washington, DC
100,000 +
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH RALLY
BERNIE SANDERS FOR PRESIDENT
11/28
FREE
BE ON TIME. BRING A SIGN, DRUM, DRESS WARM
Also from OP link:
Here is a short and postive message to copy and paste as your post:
100,000+ RALLY IN DC BERNIE SANDERS FOR PRESIDENT IS STILL ON! WE HAVE NOT GONE AWAY!
Facebook and an army of trolls has disabled us twice and removed the 4200 RSVPS we racked up in only 10 days.
We need you back! and we need you to sign your friends on for this incredible event that will show the 1% and corporate media, the people will decide this election, not the establishment! Share this everywhere!
Go to our Eventbrite page and RSVP NOW. Make sure to use the "share on facebook" feature you get at the end of your registration. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/100000-enough-is-enough-rally-bernie-sanders-for-president-tickets-19130771653
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I hope it enables many more people to attend than not!
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Jan Bunson
(35 posts)The RW-GOP has been planning the Hillary take-down for years.
The media will go into overdrive with their concocted "scandals", the same ones they have been pushing for years.
They want Hillary to get the nomination, so that they can win the General with Jeb, something they are not at all confident they can do against Bernie.
Also, the RW base is passionately against Hillary; they can be counted on to show up en masse to vote against her, and hence the down ticket races as well.
A Hillary nomination will probably be a disaster for the Democrats.
Bernie appeals to the RW because he is a straight-shooter.
A Bernie Victory will forever change politics in this country
And Believe Me they would rather have Hillary win then have that happen.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)I agree.
Jan Bunson
(35 posts)She is a candidate who knows which side her bread is buttered on.
Hillary is a Win Win for the GOP:
If they beat her, then they are heroes to their constituency, who will open their wallets;
If she beats them it won't matter to them because her policies are acceptable to them
AND they will be able to fund raise relentlessly on demonizing her.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Maybe a few of the Libertarian types, but by and large, the GOP will mobalize the entire nation against the socialist/communist. Trump has already planted that seed of fear.
marlakay
(11,482 posts)There isnt a party for the moderates now and if a far rght person goes in there they will vote for Bernie.
Military folks know he is for them.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Hillary is far to the right of Bernie on everything other than gun control. Why in the world would the RW want Bernie over Hillary?
Bernie is more electable. His message crosses party lines and they know it.
Making crazy statements and asking people to believe you without any rationalization just makes you sound like Trump. He does the same thing and the two of you make exactly the same amount of sense, none.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]The evidence tells me otherwise.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)going after Bernie, they do not want him to win, they would prefer Hillary. Because they claim they are all set up to defeat her.
Bernie has taken them by surprise, especially since he's stealing some of THEIR base, more moderate Repubs
So we will be seeing the right wing attacks soon, and indeed we are already.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)"Bridges for Bernie".
If anyone would like to buy a lovely bridge in New York City, I promise that I will give all the proceeds to the Sanders campaign.
olddots
(10,237 posts)Did you come up with all by yourself ?
It was assigned by my corporate oligarch masters.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)you already bought the bridge.
But, "if you work hard and play by the rules," you can have whatever HRC's Wall Street friends don't want.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I wanted everyone to actually read the information at the link and learn what's going on.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 28, 2015, 11:44 AM - Edit history (1)
I find that odd since I see a claim of 20"years worth of experience.
I remember so many posts on the FB saying they don't need permits, but if one looks at it as more of a " reservation" it becomes very critical. So that there are not clashes with other events, or maintenance and repairs already in the works for instance.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I'll trust that the organizers have better than a vague idea of what they're doing and leave it at that.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Note: A permit is required to host a public event on the National Mall to assure that activities will not conflict with each other. For details, contact the Office of Park Programs at (202) 619-7225.
http://dc.about.com/od/specialevents/tp/National-Mall-Events.htm
It's good that you have so much confidence in the abilities of these organizers. I think (I hope) they may have learned something important in the last month or so, they hadn't learned in the previous 20 years
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)I'm going. Thousands of others are as well.
If you want to prove I'm wrong, talk to someone on the phone who issues permits and give me their phone number. You need to gain credibility with proof, rather than negativity.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)it'll be fun.
Too bad their website included a bad phone number. I'm sure that that will be an acceptable excuse for not getting the appropriate permits.
I'll just keep my fingers corssed that if another group decides to hold an event the same weekend and does get a permit, your group will be allowed to stay.
as for credibility, your organizers have already been found to scam people out of their hard earned money for events that never happened. I wonder what happened to those previous donations?
I really don't need to prove anything regarding this event. I'm not the one buying plane tickets for something that may not even happen, or happen at the advertised 100,000 persons Enough is Enough event, where Bernie may or may not bother to show up and volunteers with Bullhorns are going to relay messages from the speakers since they don't want to foot the bill for a PA system.
Response to Sheepshank (Reply #39)
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Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)they hit their RSVP goal. That is why they could not confirm a date.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Ignoring them is the most effective way to make that money go to waste, and focus on the very thing they are attempting to distract from, ISSUES.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Bernie scares Wall St to death - and they're doing everything they can to block positive, accurate information from getting to the people.
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)Thanks for the thread, silverweb.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)....was terribly sad.
Let's hope third way...errr third time's a charm.
And as has been told to Hillary posters in the past, perhaps this exclusively Bernie event should be posted in the Bernie group.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)I posted here as well for exposure of the info.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Seems like those donating last time felt very Berned.
Nice of you to promote their for profit event for them. Less they have to spend on advertising, the more they have to go to......well not permits and not porta potties
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)You should get your facts straight or quit lying whichever is the case.
NO ONE IS ASKING FOR MONEY.
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/100000-enough-is-enough-rally-bernie-sanders-for-president-tickets-19130771653
The original rally (for November 5th?) was started by a kid in Indiana. When the RSVPs got over 100k, he was in over his head and he (or someone else in that first project) started asking for money. That is probably part of why that project got cancelled.
A new team of organizers stepped in for the rally on the 28th. I'm going to this one with friends. The tickets are free. One of the main organizers told me yesterday there will be no appeals for money whatsoever. People should bring their own signs for the march and rally. Dress warmly with layers.
SO are you lying or ignorant?
Retract your post immediately above or be known as a coward.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)I have never put anyone on ignore, I have never alerted on anyone and I have always supported people's right to free speech.
A few years ago I was targeted by a smear campaign. I just took time off, maybe a year or so.
But these ass clowns right here are getting on my nerves. Maybe finding the "Ignore" button is the solution. I'm tired of liars and cowards. They wouldn't have the nerve to say it to my face. And lucky for them.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)cool threat bro.
as a point of clarification, I never said the event organizers charged fees for anything. They certainly did get donations. The facebook pages for the cancelled events, and replies were full of people upset about that. I don't know why Facebook pulled their announcements, but I did get a chance to read those threads...did you? On the current site talking about the event, they acknowledged that Facebook pulled both previous rally site pages, and they also acknowledged persons that perspective attendees shouldn't talk to. Two of those persons non grata were very vociferous on those now pulled FB pages, and spoke out about the veracity of the event and the organizers.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]And thanks!
BainsBane
(53,041 posts)silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Perhaps contacting them directly would help answer your question.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)....for this gathering to be legal. They've made reference to the previous failed events, so yup, it's the same outfit.
They collected donations before, why not use it to buy the permit?
I think I know why....they want a reason to be outraged when the event is shut down for non compliance. All that manufactured outrage just like the CNN fake deletion outrage.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)CNN has been exposed on several issues. If you don't know that, you haven't done your homework, as usual.
Are you lying or ignorant? Perhaps more importantly, are you a coward?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)then wut they's fightin' agin!
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)And don't forget the porta potties.
brooklynite
(94,679 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 19, 2015, 02:46 PM - Edit history (2)
...I'm going to reserve judgement on "The powers that be took us down from Facebook"
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Bernie 2016 tv wasn't shut down? Because it was.
Here are some other interesting facts about the Clinton Nominating Network (aka CNN):
1. CNN announced a policy to publish the debates in full, for public benefit;
2. They complied with that policy on the first GOP debate;
3. They did not comply with that policy of the first Dem debate (they took down the original and substituted an "edited version" ;
4. In that edited version they splice edited Bernie's "damn email" comments to remove his point, i.e. that the corporate media will not focus on issues;
5. They also have put on their debate content a "Best of Hillary" segment- but have not done so for any other candidate; and
6. Anderson Cooper was guilty of journalistic malpractice (or lied) in accusing Bernie of having a honeymoon in Moscow. A pure right wing fabrication.
brooklynite
(94,679 posts)They haven't been shut down; their ability to livestream has been shut down for copyright violation.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)I note no comment on my list of facts. Sure you don't care to comment?
brooklynite
(94,679 posts)2. They complied with that policy on the first GOP debate;
Feel free to provide documentation for either
3. They did not comply with that policy of the first Dem debate (they took down the original and substituted an "edited version" ;
4. In that edited version they splice edited Bernie's "damn email" comments to remove his point, i.e. that the corporate media will not focus on issues;
I've seen that asserted; I've yet to see the smoking gun. You're telling me nobody has done a comparison video of the "real" debate footage (which I and no doubt many other people still have on a DVR) and the "edited" debate footage? How about a transcript of both? Here's one from the Washington Post to start you off:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/13/the-oct-13-democratic-debate-who-said-what-and-what-it-means/
5. They also have put on their debate content a "Best of Hillary" segment- but have not done so for any other candidate; and
Again, I have no idea what you're specifically talking about. However, how CNN chooses to report the post-debate period has nothing to do with the allegation of censorship.
6. Anderson Cooper was guilty of journalistic malpractice (or lied) in accusing Bernie of having a honeymoon in Moscow. A pure right wing fabrication.
Again, nothing to do with the allegation of censorship. As for the charge of malpractice, here's the transcript:
Doesn't -- doesn't that ad write itself?
SANDERS: Well, first of all, let's look at the facts. The facts that are very simple. Republicans win when there is a low voter turnout, and that is what happened last November.
Sixty-three percent of the American people didn't vote, Anderson. Eighty percent of young people didn't vote. We are bringing out huge turnouts, and creating excitement all over this country.
Democrats at the White House on down will win, when there is excitement and a large voter turnout, and that is what this campaign is doing.
Sanders doesn't dispute it; and doesn't accuse Cooper of lying. If he's not concerned, neither am I.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)brooklynite
(94,679 posts)demonstrations, picketing, speechmaking, marching, holding vigils or religious services and all other
like forms of conduct that involve the communication or expression of views or grievances, engaged in
by one or more persons, the conduct of which is reasonably likely to draw a crowd or onlookers. This
term does not include casual park use by visitors or tourists that is not reasonably likely to attract a
crowd or onlookers."
...snip...
" 2) Permit requirements. Demonstrations and special events may be held only pursuant to a
permit issued in accordance with the provisions of this section except:
(i) Demonstrations involving 25 persons or fewer may be held without a permit provided that the
other conditions required for the issuance of a permit are met and provided further that the group is not
merely an extension of another group already availing itself of the 25-person maximum under this
provision or will not unreasonably interfere with other demonstrations or special events.
(ii) Demonstrations may be held in the following park areas without a permit provided that the
conduct of such demonstrations is reasonably consistent with the protection and use of the indicated
park area and the other requirements of this section. The numerical limitations listed below are
applicable only for demonstrations conducted without a permit in such areas. Larger demonstrations
may take place in these areas pursuant to a permit.
(A) Franklin Park. Thirteenth Street, between I and K Streets NW., for no more than 500 persons.
(B) McPherson Square. Fifteenth Street, between I and K Streets NW., for no more than 500
persons.
(C) U.S. Reservation No. 31. West of 18th Street and south of H Street NW., for no more than 100
persons.
(D) Rock Creek and Potomac Parkway. West of 23rd Street, south of P Street NW., for no more
than 1,000 persons.
(E) U.S. Reservation No. 46. North side of Pennsylvania Avenue, west of Eighth Street and south
of D Street, SE., for no more than 25 persons and south of D Street SE., for no more than 25 persons.
(nb...the Mall is not included in the "no permit required" list)
You're certainly welcome to assert First Amendment privilege, but I don't think you'll have your lawsuit resolved by the scheduled day of the event.
FWIW - all permit forms and instructions are available at the NPS website
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)At my suggestion, one of the allies of the organizers called the National Mall police and also the permit office. He got the same answer from both: No. Permit. Required.
FSogol
(45,514 posts)If they expect more than 25 people, a permit is required.
Sorry, but Brooklynite posted the truth.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)FSogol
(45,514 posts)to event."
WillyT
(72,631 posts)silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Just wish I could go. Are you going?