2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton builds confidence: Kathleen Parker
WASHINGTON -- With the latest poll numbers tallied and political pundits having spoken, a consensus has emerged: Hillary Clinton won the first Democratic debate and, barring a Benghazi pinata exploding with revelations, has cinched the nomination.
Reasons cited for Clinton's superior performance have been well hashed by now. Her deft parrying placed her left-of-center but right-of-Sanders. She's a progressive, she declared, but a pragmatic person who likes to get things done.
A compromiser, in other words. Or perhaps a woman who has learned how to listen and understands that politics requires give-and-take.
In Las Vegas Tuesday night, Clinton carefully staked out territory that wouldn't alienate liberals nor necessarily frighten independents -- or even moderate Republicans, to the extent any remain.
Her success also rested in part on competition that, with the exception Bernie Sanders, was, how shall we put it ... Lilliputian. Lincoln Chafee's whine about casting a regrettable Senate vote because he had just arrived in Washington and his father had died was cringingly pathetic.
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/10/hillary_clinton_kathleen_parke.html
GeorgeGist
(25,322 posts)Parker describes herself politically as "mostly right of center"[3] and was the highest-scoring conservative pundit in a 2012 retrospective study of pundit prediction accuracy in 2008.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Parker
Baitball Blogger
(46,753 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Parker made news during the 2008 U.S. presidential election when she called on the Republican vice-presidential nominee, Governor Sarah Palin, to step down from the party ticket, saying that a series of media interviews showed that Palin was "clearly out of her league".Parker received over 11,000 responses, mostly from conservatives criticizing her.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Parker
I would add that before the press started beating the Hell out of Hillary polling indicated that Republican leaning female professionals were open to her candidacy. Maybe she can bring some of them back.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)It is good to be President Obama these days.
In the midst of a visit to Africa, including Kenya, where Republican front-runner Donald Trump has insisted Obama was born, the president seemed to have been liberated by events and circumstances to speak his true mind.
Events include the Supreme Courts favorable rulings on the Affordable Care Act and same-sex marriage. Circumstances stem from the Republican presidential race, in which some candidates appear to be vying to out-Trump Trump.
In sum, Obama doesnt think much of Trump or of Trumps Republican critics. Neither does he think much of Republican leaders and wannabe presidents, whose apocalyptic rhetoric has reduced political debate to a crypto-Armageddon-ish clash of cliches.
Beware Brother Trump, for thrice the cock hath crowed.
http://www.pressherald.com/2015/08/04/kathleen-parker-obama-shines-as-the-republican-fringe-goes-mainstream/
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)regardless of the fact that she describes herself as right of center. It's nice seeing President Obama and his administration have not only accomplished so much & helped turn the economy in a much better direction, but that some people can give credit where credit is due.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)The polls included a majority of people who didn't watch the debate. So they are skewing the polls by including name recognition.
What we have is corporate media, trying to manufacturer consent for Mrs. Wall Street Clinton.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)I'm leaning more toward voting for Sanders now after having watched it. So I agree with your assessment. Though I would say that my opinion of both Hillary and Bernie improved from watching that debate. I will watch all the debates, too. The pundits, I can't stand watching them so I don't bother.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I have been a Democrat since birth. Some folks have taken a more circuitous path. I used to read her when I lived in Orlando and she wrote for the Orlando Sentinel. It's clear she has been alienated by the excesses of the Republican party.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)The suggestion that the public said Hillary won the debate because the pundits told them to say so is patently absurd. If you were scoring it like a fight it was as close as the recent Mayweather-Berto fight.
That being said it is my dispassionate opinion that all our stellar candidates acquitted themselves admirably and provided a stark contrast with their Republican opponents.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)that counted as a person saying Hillary won the debate. Even though none of them watched.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)This is the criteria on which debates are judged:
-Organization And Clarity
-Use Of argument
-Use Of Cross Examination And Rebuttal
-Presentation
and she won in all of them. In fact it wasn't particularly close.
That being said it is my dispassionate opinion that all our stellar candidates acquitted themselves with aplomb and struck a vivid contrast with their Republican opponents.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)"Me, too!" Clinton trilled to applause.
It's not clear that gift-giving was Sanders' intention. A reporter on MSNBC'S "Morning Joe" said Sanders' remark had been rehearsed as a way to indict Clinton for her distracting mishandling of the email situation. But Clinton's quick reaction sealed the deal. She and Sanders shook hands and, hereafter, Clinton is inoculated against the email problem, at least from fellow Democrats.
I had not thought of that way but I wonder now.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)("Your winnings sir..."
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Its the part about whether Bernie actually intended to bail Hillary out on the email controversy.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)He's said that throughout the campaign. And I think he means it honestly.
I seriously doubt he would change course in such a 180 degree turn in the debate, and say it as an attack out of the blue. It would be too out of character with what he said all along.....AND since the moderator brought it up, it wasn't like he had to step in to bring it up.
But it also did him good in the image department to stand up for her.
Whether there was an intended 3rd dimension to that chess match (reminding voters of it) I cannot say.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)Writing that someone has locked up the nomination with one forgettable debate performance, months before the first votes are cast, is one of the most absurd things I've ever seen written by a mainstream journalist.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)why i can't watch mtp.
her fawning is actually embarrassing to watch.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Here is her love letter to the Bush Family...What I learned from covering the Bushes for more than 30 years:
"After the national trauma of the Clinton years, during which mothers like me were forced to shield our children from the presidents deeds, it was a relief to see George W. and Laura Bush move into the White House. If nothing else was certain, at least no one would have to worry about blue dresses, knee pads and cigars.
I became familiar with these Bushes, as their years in office coincided with my own migration to Washington. I remember a comment George W. Bush made to me during a one-on-one, in-flight interview. He said the toughest moment of his life wasnt what to do after 9/11 but seeing his father this fine, fine man defeated by Clinton. I thought for a moment he might cry, but of course he wouldnt."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/30-years-of-bushes/2015/06/16/2555adce-1463-11e5-9ddc-e3353542100c_story.html