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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 03:48 PM Oct 2015

Hillary Clinton builds confidence: Kathleen Parker



WASHINGTON -- With the latest poll numbers tallied and political pundits having spoken, a consensus has emerged: Hillary Clinton won the first Democratic debate and, barring a Benghazi pinata exploding with revelations, has cinched the nomination.

Reasons cited for Clinton's superior performance have been well hashed by now. Her deft parrying placed her left-of-center but right-of-Sanders. She's a progressive, she declared, but a pragmatic person who likes to get things done.

A compromiser, in other words. Or perhaps a woman who has learned how to listen and understands that politics requires give-and-take.

In Las Vegas Tuesday night, Clinton carefully staked out territory that wouldn't alienate liberals nor necessarily frighten independents -- or even moderate Republicans, to the extent any remain.

Her success also rested in part on competition that, with the exception Bernie Sanders, was, how shall we put it ... Lilliputian. Lincoln Chafee's whine about casting a regrettable Senate vote because he had just arrived in Washington and his father had died was cringingly pathetic.

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/10/hillary_clinton_kathleen_parke.html
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Hillary Clinton builds confidence: Kathleen Parker (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 OP
Kathleen Parker GeorgeGist Oct 2015 #1
+1 Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #3
Parker... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #2
Kathleen Parker: Obama shines as the Republican fringe goes mainstream DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #4
That's a good analysis lovemydog Oct 2015 #7
Hillary wasn't clearily the winner of the date Geronimoe Oct 2015 #5
Having watched it, I'd say both Sanders and Clinton did well. lovemydog Oct 2015 #8
I have seen her recently on MTP and Hardball. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #15
The suggestion that the public said Hillary won the debate because the pundits told them ... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #16
...is most likely TRUE. Most people probably said, "yeah I heard that Hillary won." Each time reformist2 Oct 2015 #19
She won because she won DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #20
Interesting note about Bernie's intentions on the "damn emails" comment. DCBob Oct 2015 #6
I'm Shocked, Shocked that a candidate might have a prepared answer in a debate Armstead Oct 2015 #9
That wasn't what the part that was interesting.. DCBob Oct 2015 #10
I think both Armstead Oct 2015 #12
Yeah, I agree with that. DCBob Oct 2015 #13
I'm surprised she hasn't told everyone else to drop out. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #11
Or to tune in and turn on lovemydog Oct 2015 #18
This is one of the most egregious examples of kissing Hillary's ass that I've ever seen. reformist2 Oct 2015 #14
+100%! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #17
she is reason number 32 restorefreedom Oct 2015 #21
Kathleen Parker? Seriously? She's a Republican. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #22

GeorgeGist

(25,322 posts)
1. Kathleen Parker
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 04:01 PM
Oct 2015

Parker describes herself politically as "mostly right of center"[3] and was the highest-scoring conservative pundit in a 2012 retrospective study of pundit prediction accuracy in 2008.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Parker

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
2. Parker...
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 04:04 PM
Oct 2015

Parker made news during the 2008 U.S. presidential election when she called on the Republican vice-presidential nominee, Governor Sarah Palin, to step down from the party ticket, saying that a series of media interviews showed that Palin was "clearly out of her league".Parker received over 11,000 responses, mostly from conservatives criticizing her.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Parker


I would add that before the press started beating the Hell out of Hillary polling indicated that Republican leaning female professionals were open to her candidacy. Maybe she can bring some of them back.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
4. Kathleen Parker: Obama shines as the Republican fringe goes mainstream
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 04:19 PM
Oct 2015

It is good to be President Obama these days.

In the midst of a visit to Africa, including Kenya, where Republican front-runner Donald Trump has insisted Obama was born, the president seemed to have been liberated by events and circumstances to speak his true mind.

Events include the Supreme Court’s favorable rulings on the Affordable Care Act and same-sex marriage. Circumstances stem from the Republican presidential race, in which some candidates appear to be vying to out-Trump Trump.

In sum, Obama doesn’t think much of Trump – or of Trump’s Republican critics. Neither does he think much of Republican leaders and wannabe presidents, whose apocalyptic rhetoric has reduced political debate to a crypto-Armageddon-ish clash of cliches.

Beware Brother Trump, for thrice the cock hath crowed.


http://www.pressherald.com/2015/08/04/kathleen-parker-obama-shines-as-the-republican-fringe-goes-mainstream/

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
7. That's a good analysis
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 05:28 PM
Oct 2015

regardless of the fact that she describes herself as right of center. It's nice seeing President Obama and his administration have not only accomplished so much & helped turn the economy in a much better direction, but that some people can give credit where credit is due.

 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
5. Hillary wasn't clearily the winner of the date
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 05:16 PM
Oct 2015

The polls included a majority of people who didn't watch the debate. So they are skewing the polls by including name recognition.

What we have is corporate media, trying to manufacturer consent for Mrs. Wall Street Clinton.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
8. Having watched it, I'd say both Sanders and Clinton did well.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 05:30 PM
Oct 2015

I'm leaning more toward voting for Sanders now after having watched it. So I agree with your assessment. Though I would say that my opinion of both Hillary and Bernie improved from watching that debate. I will watch all the debates, too. The pundits, I can't stand watching them so I don't bother.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
15. I have seen her recently on MTP and Hardball.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 07:06 PM
Oct 2015

I have been a Democrat since birth. Some folks have taken a more circuitous path. I used to read her when I lived in Orlando and she wrote for the Orlando Sentinel. It's clear she has been alienated by the excesses of the Republican party.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
16. The suggestion that the public said Hillary won the debate because the pundits told them ...
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 07:08 PM
Oct 2015

The suggestion that the public said Hillary won the debate because the pundits told them to say so is patently absurd. If you were scoring it like a fight it was as close as the recent Mayweather-Berto fight.


That being said it is my dispassionate opinion that all our stellar candidates acquitted themselves admirably and provided a stark contrast with their Republican opponents.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
19. ...is most likely TRUE. Most people probably said, "yeah I heard that Hillary won." Each time
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 07:57 PM
Oct 2015

that counted as a person saying Hillary won the debate. Even though none of them watched.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
20. She won because she won
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 08:01 PM
Oct 2015

This is the criteria on which debates are judged:

-Organization And Clarity
-Use Of argument
-Use Of Cross Examination And Rebuttal
-Presentation

and she won in all of them. In fact it wasn't particularly close.

That being said it is my dispassionate opinion that all our stellar candidates acquitted themselves with aplomb and struck a vivid contrast with their Republican opponents.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
6. Interesting note about Bernie's intentions on the "damn emails" comment.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 05:22 PM
Oct 2015
But his most memorable moment belonged to Clinton when he declared that Americans are "sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails."

"Me, too!" Clinton trilled to applause.

It's not clear that gift-giving was Sanders' intention. A reporter on MSNBC'S "Morning Joe" said Sanders' remark had been rehearsed as a way to indict Clinton for her distracting mishandling of the email situation. But Clinton's quick reaction sealed the deal. She and Sanders shook hands and, hereafter, Clinton is inoculated against the email problem, at least from fellow Democrats.

I had not thought of that way but I wonder now.
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
9. I'm Shocked, Shocked that a candidate might have a prepared answer in a debate
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 05:34 PM
Oct 2015

("Your winnings sir...&quot

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
10. That wasn't what the part that was interesting..
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 05:41 PM
Oct 2015

Its the part about whether Bernie actually intended to bail Hillary out on the email controversy.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
12. I think both
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 05:51 PM
Oct 2015

He's said that throughout the campaign. And I think he means it honestly.

I seriously doubt he would change course in such a 180 degree turn in the debate, and say it as an attack out of the blue. It would be too out of character with what he said all along.....AND since the moderator brought it up, it wasn't like he had to step in to bring it up.

But it also did him good in the image department to stand up for her.

Whether there was an intended 3rd dimension to that chess match (reminding voters of it) I cannot say.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
14. This is one of the most egregious examples of kissing Hillary's ass that I've ever seen.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 06:57 PM
Oct 2015

Writing that someone has locked up the nomination with one forgettable debate performance, months before the first votes are cast, is one of the most absurd things I've ever seen written by a mainstream journalist.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
22. Kathleen Parker? Seriously? She's a Republican.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 08:17 PM
Oct 2015

Here is her love letter to the Bush Family...What I learned from covering the Bushes for more than 30 years:

"After the national trauma of the Clinton years, during which mothers like me were forced to shield our children from the president’s deeds, it was a relief to see George W. and Laura Bush move into the White House. If nothing else was certain, at least no one would have to worry about blue dresses, knee pads and cigars.

I became familiar with these Bushes, as their years in office coincided with my own migration to Washington. I remember a comment George W. Bush made to me during a one-on-one, in-flight interview. He said the toughest moment of his life wasn’t what to do after 9/11 but seeing his father — “this fine, fine man” — defeated by Clinton. I thought for a moment he might cry, but of course he wouldn’t."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/30-years-of-bushes/2015/06/16/2555adce-1463-11e5-9ddc-e3353542100c_story.html

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