Great post, AL. I will do my part to get the word out.

Bernie supporter here, but statements like that only perpetuate the notion that Bernie supporters are turning into conspiracy theorists.

I shouldn't have said anything. All we need to focus on is getting the message out.

I don't think it will be as big because they had to regain momentum twice IIRC, after the hinky stuff started on FB. It will be big enough to be another show of national support plus social media stories, art and general momentum booster. Plus probably good new media.

we know how badly these thing turn out w/o them.

organizers failed to secure a permit for. I saw plenty of discussion passed around on FB about it.

No fixtures, no bands. This is no-cost grassroots. I know of no expenses.

There is plenty of precedent for the lack of need of a permit.

She has over 20 years organizing. She has organized similar events with thousands in that venue with no permit. So unless you have better credentials or new information, I believe you are wrong. But I will attempt to contact her.

Ensures that there are no conflicts with other events and that the park is left in a sanitary manner and clean up is paid for. The March organizers keep pressing that it's a 1st amendment right, but their speech isn't being curtailed by asking them to provide bathrooms and garbage cans.

If there are repairs already scheduled, they may be relegated to certain parts of the mall. All of that info comes with the permits.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=698099

No credible evidence has been offered except a bogus phone number and a statement of permit regs, which does not appear to cover the event-in-question, imo.

I'm all for the truth. All you concerned Hillary supporters trying to disrupt my message, give me some definitive proof and I'll change my tune.

Is to the right to assembly, rather than to free speech?

Not "interfere with the right to peaceably assemble"?

Suppose you show up at the Lincoln Memorial and the NRA does as well. How do you decide which gets to put up a sound system? How long do you each get to occupy space otherwise used by regular visitors?

But from what I understand this rally is being arranged on the principle that there will be no fixtures or static protesting, so this really would just be people walking through a public space.

That suggests a sound system if you're assuming 100,000. It also suggests people will stop to listen.

there may be other rallies, there are sanitary issues, and EVERY SINGLE health department that I know of will require restroom facilities for crowds that size. Previously, these experienced protest organizers had said that the surrounding businesses are happy to have 100,000 people descend on them for the use of their toilets. They couldn't be more wrong. Permits are more akin to making a reservation and that reservation many need to be rescheduled if there is a conflict. As a tax payer, I would resent my money having to clean up their shit (literally and figuratively), repairs for damages and wear and tear of the mall, when their permit fees and permit processes would have made the rally organizers responsible for such.

PLEASE NOTE: THIS RALLY HAD IN PLACE A PERMIT FROM THE NPS, POLICE FROM NPSPD AND SANITATION FOR RALLY GOERS. ANY AND ALL CLAIMS THAT THIS RALLY WAS IN ANY WAY ILLEGAL ARE FALSE. ANY AND ALL CLAIMS AND SLANDER AGAINST THE RALLY ORGANIZERS FOR THEIR CHARACTER OR LACK OF ORGANIZATION OF THIS EVENT ARE FALSE.

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/100000-enough-is-enough-rally-bernie-sanders-for-president-tickets-19130771653

Sound like she is telling you one thing and other people something else.

I don't know who is the author of your quoted language. It may or may not be the same person. The whole thing has devolved into a cluster eff, apparently.

I was indeed told no permit was required and that was verified the same day by a close friend who called the relevant authorities. His discussion with the authorities was based on attendance of about 10-15k.

As far as I know, today was the first mention of a permit. But now some other listed names are talking about suing Cornel West and other crazy talk, so I am going to try to refund my ticket and chalk it up to experience.

My sense is that Bernie's official campaign was against the whole thing from the git go and they eventually put the kabosh on it. I don't know why they didn't like it, perhaps they thought there was a risk of negative press. But I am glad to have my weekend back!

To spend money on something questionable.

Tickets are being issued, signs and drums are being encouraged. Who is going to provide security? Who is going to clean the grounds, make repairs to the grass, etc.

If there is an expectation that the police will get involved, there will be a need for a permit, $deposit, etc.

I don't know about the details. The organizing team has experience with big actions with that venue and I haven't been asked to help with logistics. I'm just going with friends.

Btw, in travelling there, I believe I am statistically in more danger of being killed by a corporation than terrorists.

We have gone around the bend. lol. And people think I'm an ass because I keep mentioning how excited I am at all of the new people Sanders is bringing in. It's a thing of beauty and sometimes, like here, they are kind of funny.

It's on.

San Francisco civic center.

... to any more info about this?

Enough is Enough West Coast Rally

https://www.facebook.com/events/124666724547285/

Haven't had a good rally in a while

That's all I can stands because I can't stands no more!

Editing to say if he isn't, what's the point? Wouldn't all those people knocking on doors in their own towns do more good?

But my gut tells me going is a good thing. There will probably little or no old media coverage, but I expect social media and perhaps new media to be significant.

The point is to show national support for the revolution and also, imo, provide an opportunity for grassroots people to "cross-pollinate" on what's working and what isn't. I expect to learn a lot, like going to activist training. These kinds of things can raise the energy even higher.

I have no idea whether Bernie will be there. It might depend on how many end up RSVPed, as in past rallies.

the upside is priceless.

This does not mean people can't still knock on doors in their own home town.

The two are not mutually exclusive.


Many people who would love to go to DC won't be able to for a variety of reasons like work, family commitments, money, etc.

Think big, think outside the box!

...I don't personally care whether anyone marches or not, but maybe you should get your story straight?

if not, I will work to help as many others there as I can.

On Friday the 23rd, a friend called the NPS, there's no permit issued.
On that same day, I called Dr. West's office, I knew him slightly because he and my husband worked at Yale together a very long time ago. I spoke to his events coordinator who said he has nothing on the books.
Why these people are resorting to outright lies about the rally is beyond me. But it's so crass to know that folks on fixed incomes are budgeting for an event that won't live up to the hype

Hmm...what a kind soul you are...You can pick up your h avatars at the desk.

such nasty accusations of someone passing on good solid info, unlike the scam artists associated with the event.

Don't worry, sheople..don't worry.

The logistics of something this bit is enormous and takes months of planning. With no permit it sounds pretty ad hoc to me. I wouldn't go even if I could.

I'd love for there to be a rally, but this doesn't sound like it's all in order.

If the organizers are going for an "Occupy" kind of thing (let's all just show up and see what happens) they should be upfront about that.

1. "We have applied for a permit": that goes counter to the previous post

2. 'We don't need a permit": that goes counter to the NPS regs in the Code of Federal Regulations

3. "Requiring a permit violates our First Amendment rights". Perhaps, but that'll be litigated in the Courts, not out on the Mall when the Police ask you to disperse.

The worst that can happen is a couple thousand people show up in the streets talking about enough is enough.

...I'd like to avoid all the whining that "The Powers that Be" prevented them from getting their message out, when all they had to do was follow the same rules that everyone else does.

It is a miracle that allows one to avoid the drama of the otherside.

I use it a lot and it has made my experience so much better.

Why would you?

I find I read the same people posting multiple threads on the same subjects, or the same thread posted by multiple people--I think this is a way to circumvent the ignores.

But why read reruns?
I don't have you on ignore, but I see some of your threads and read drivel and I trash it. Or I don't. If I am not captured in the opening argument, I don't waste my time.

In the beginning I had no ignores or threads trashed. After a summer, I know the same arguments when I see them.

In the Bernie forum.

GD-P serves as an alternative.

I just meant on this particular issue, where we have people trying to disrupt our campaign.

I listened to the organizer's interview on Voice of Kansas radio and it sounded absolutely legit and pro-Bernie. She mentioned organized cyber attacks on her event, though, and I notice that here. Read the objective report on Steven Todd's blog https://steventodd.wordpress.com/2015/08/18/bernie-sanders-enough-is-enough-rally-idea/ or listen to the organizer's interview yourself to make up your mind. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/fightincockflyer. The Sanders Reddit is currently blocking posts related to this event (as "off-posts&quot because the earlier organizer was for profit. I don't think they know much about this new version.

People have been trying to disrupt this event for many days. Fortunately they are failing. The march is going on as scheduled and we will be there in force. But whether it is 10k or 100k, the corporate media will ignore it. Perhaps we should carry Tea Party signs and wear tri-corner hats. Then they would cover it.

MSM will not be there unless Bernie shows up. However, if organizers/volunteers contact underground alternative media (RT, Young Turks, Democracy Now!, etc.), it would be possible to get some professional footage and promote by social media.

I'll contact Bernie 2016 tv about coverage. Caveat: I'm assuming they are back up after the unprecedented shut down by CNN.

Finally. There are still naysayers but I posted more info ("evidence&quot to counter them. https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/3r0mlk/bernie_sanders_enough_is_enough_rally_washington/

Check out this post if you haven't yet. Offer of free accommodation from D.C. residents in exchange for a donation to the campaign.
http://allevents.in/washington/washington-dc-bed-and-breakfast-residents-to-host-visitors-to-enough-is-enough-rally-in-washington-d/151628151844432#

Bernie forum.

That is so nice of people to offer accommodations to those traveling to DC.

Hope people take advantage of the offer and more join the rally. I was motivated to join DU when I realized the Sanders Reddit was blocking all posts about this event. They finally allowed ONE post but it is buried deeply by lots of useless, duplicate links to media articles and clips.

Social Media so it doesn't makes sense. Eg, if you post this in the Bernie Group here, as an OP, there is a tweet,Google and FB button which people can click and that will send it out to THEIR accounts.

It is ridiculous how they are trying to block any positive mention of the event via trolling or censorship. They just deleted a post where a group of the "Bernie squad" attacked me for promoting a "scam" and called the new organizers "spiteful, short-sighted" individuals. Extremely macho culture, plus I think they believe that they are doing the campaign a favor because they fear that it could draw negative attention (no permits, protest rally, etc). According to them, the Park Service denied a permit for the earlier rally so I guess they chickened out and are trying to prevent the word out through their website. That's fine. Do not bother with them. I personally do not have the allegiance to either group (Reddit or Amanda Copeland) but am repelled by the Sanders Reddit's suppression of information about this event. And you call it "social media": what a joke (ironically, I am a college professor teaching media).

Thanks for the thread, Admiral Loinpresser.

Though sadly Bernie will not be in attendance. I'll be there!

each of the 100,000 supporters will march by themselves around their own houses.