Bush started a war of aggression, which is a war crime. For 7, going on 8 years now since his regime lost power, there has been not one single attempt to bring our American war criminals to justice.

Why? Because the collusion runs deep and wide.

if she had taken the information public.

information up the chain to be dealt with accordingly. She had one of the highest posts in the executive branch answerable to only the president. If there was illegal activity discovered and it wasn't acted upon then the fault falls either on her or on the president.


I put the fault of this on Obama if anyone is. I'm going to assume he knew what Hillary knew on the subject. He's the head of the executive branch and it's his responsibility to ensure the prosecution of crimes. Still the presidency is a very exclusive club. It doesn't surprise me that one president wouldn't prosecute another president (or their administration). No president wants to open that Pandora's box for fear of their own future skeletons. That's doubly true after all his campaign speeches about looking forward and not backwards.


I've given up hope that the Bush administration will ever be prosecuted for the war crimes they committed. I'm resigned to hoping that all their misdeeds will eventually be open to the public so they can be viewed historically as the awful people they were (not just incompetent, but willfully evil).

to sift through thousands of 8+ year old emails.

When was the last time any President prosecuted a previous President after that President left office?
Has this happened ever in history?

President Obama made the decision to rescue the country out of the worst recession since the Great Depression and to get the ACA passed instead. Neither which would have occurred if he'd been busy instead trying to punish the Bush administration.

And if he HAD succeeded, the next time the Rethugs were in office, they would attempt to prosecute HIM.

There is a good reason this has never happened before.

war crimes of a previous administration for 4+ years, especially when they had evidence pointing directly at it. That would imply a level of incompetence on so many levels that is unimaginable. And I don't consider either of them incompetent at all (nor the people that work for them). They had to know. That's not the kind of thing they would just miss.

and, not only joining with the Republicons, but helping them try to convince the American public that we should invade Iraq and kill hundreds of thousands. She has admitted her mistake but has never apologized for her betrayal.

She isn't soley responsible but she is partially. She helped SELL Bush's lies to the American People...and she was well aware of what she was doing. Im sorry your mind cant comprehend when crimes are committed by someone you like but that doesnt change what they did. Comparing us to Newsmax shows you are part of the problem because you refuse to clean your own house. Hillary also knew that Tony Blair was lying the entire time as evidenced by her emails. Tony Blair is also a liberal...the Hillary type of collaborating with the Bushes and pushing a corporate, war based agenda by masquerading as a liberal democrat. The truth is out and you cant rely on hyperbole for your positions anymore.

is hurt by this. many in congress were Smart enough or non-calculating enough to vote against it. There was no excuse for voting for it unless one was pro war and or voting strategically to enhance their own political career.

One thing that has me confused is inheriting emails. Usually each person gets their own account and password. Colin Powell is a smart guy. And I am to believe that he just left his job with an open email account for access to the next Secretary of State that just happened to contain a bunch of really incriminating about him and several others. Hard to believe.

Time to face the music...the evidence shows Hillary and Bill are more in bed with the Bush Family than most Republicans and help cover up crimes.

is that technically treason? if it is then it is

the oligarchy knows no party lines. at some point, it just becomes about power.

Unfortunately, too many stubborn, thin-skinned fools in our own party can't comprehend that. To them it's all a game and what team you happen to be on. Some people are incapable of thinking for themselves but thats where true wisdom comes from...not looking to the guy next to you to hopefully have the solace of agreement.

the fact that it is such a well known phenomenon in society tells us all we need to know, sadly.

Not sure I understand the point of this.

Bush lied is hardly news. I've read the e-mails and if there is a "smoking gun" of some sorts in there, I haven't found it.

And for the record, I'd be curious to see the legal precedent supporting the assertion that lying to influence public opinion (or potential allies) to support military action, while unconscionable (and potentially grounds for impeachment), is "treason" as that term is narrowly defined in the Constitution. Which enemy was given aid and comfort?

While I believe that there were grounds for impeaching Bush, I also understood that as a realistic matter, it wasn't going to happen (and even if the House voted to impeach, the Senate wasn't going to convict). But taking a sensationalistic DailyMail story and acting as if it tells us something new is just playing along with someone's agenda.

They are learning about Bush for the first time. There will be a learning curve. It does seem their first instinct is to wash the shrubs hands for him. They will catch on. A small group of this newly interested group will stick around after the primaries. That is exciting. I just hope the don't keep carrying the water for republicans at that point in time.

This is one of the first pieces of evidence from someone actually within the W administration.

bashing thread. I am surprised then didn't try to post it in LBN

who still won't concede that fact.

Many people in this process are learning about Bush for the first time. It's really kind of exciting. Bush fucking sucks.

They were not her emails. She would not have seen those. Damn so quick to attack Hillary, even if it means making shit up.

Secretary of State's emails. And that is apparently what they got.

And like it or not somehow this was found during a search of her computer. Why this was on her computer - who knows - did she read it - who knows.

But one thing for sure we the people have a right to know the truth about the ME wars that still are one of our biggest problems.

and part of the 30,000 emails a judge ordered to be released. The question is, why did Hillary go back six years and save these particular CLASSIFIED memos on her private server? The memos were marked classified until 2014.

It's all so very curious...

To any free thinking human.

Another more basic level curiosity: Why the hell did Hillary have to use a PRIVATE server for official State Department communications? This was, at the very least, irresponsible and stupid, at the most, a security risk and illegal...and has the appearance that she was trying to hide something. Makes me really question her judgement.

However I would like the American people to know the truth about the Bush Administration starting with the stolen 2000 election right through to the crime of Iraq.

Iraq because without the UK in the alliance, the U.S. Would never have been able to get their war on. Remember the HUGE UK demonstrations?

It was around the same time Cheney planted his ass at the CIA, scouring their files, cherry picking them so he could make it look like Iraq was involved in 911.

I can't imagine Powell would have been involved in anything nefarious with Bush and Cheney because he was PISSED when he learned he was lied to about the "so -called" evidence and yellow cake uranium Saddam didn't have. If Powell was involved in their lies and deceit, I doubt he would have left emails pointing directly at himself.

Interesting how citizen protesters knew they were LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH, but Congress and the PTB didn't? Not likely. And Hillary didn't know they were lying? That, on its face, is laughable.

The memos in question show they were declassified last year. Hillary fished back six years and saved these particular, classified memos, on her private server. Hmm. Hillary recently learned the private emails she thought she destroyed on her private server, were actually backed up on the Cloud. A judge ordered their release and are now in the hands of the FBI. I suspect these memos were part of that cache of documents just released.

...specifically to this question of Iraq info.

Daily Mail reporters are notorious liars. I seriously doubt this has any truth to it at all. Where's the proof that Hillary had access to this document?

This is where Clinton excels on these 'scandals.' So many phony charges which are proven utterly false that the public just turns a deaf ear to all of it. Is there no learning curve for the scandalmongers?

sworn into office. These guys got away with high crimes and the tax payers are supporting them now. This should be turned over to the Hague and let them decide. Have you ever wondered why G. Bush has been silent? It because he knows what he done. It is time the American people and the world knows how crooked the Republicans are. They will go to any extent to win.

What Bush and Cheney did was impeachable, but that didn't happen. But treason? Not as defined in the Constitution. And it would have been doubly insane for the Obama administration to pursue an unprecedented and unwinnable treason case against them when the country was reeling from a devastating economic crisis and fixing that, not pursuing chimpy and cheney, was what had gotten Obama elected.

As for turning Bush and Cheney over to the Hague -- I suggest you read up on the International Criminal Court process.

Oh, wait...

Guess you don't have one.

of establishing the high road in our lifetime. At the minimum, he should have condemned them. But by not even condemning them, he is normalizing what they did. He betrayed my votes for him.

Why is it that I hear this type of stuff only on DU!?!? Why isn't this all over the MSM??? Makes me sick!

You make it sound as if she deliberately hid evidence.

It's technically true that she had evidence, and it's technically true that she never brought it to light, but what isn't at all certain is the idea that she knew that she had that evidence and then deliberately didn't release it.

She may have never read Powell's old emails. Why would she? Would she have even had the time to personally review years worth of emails? It seems doubtful.

This story isn't about Hillary Clinton. It's about George Bush and Tony Blair.

I support Sanders, but I hate these kinds of baseless attacks against Clinton.

for a job well done.

Pretty standard.

Characterizing Bernie as a grumpy old racist sexist socialist gets a national platform.

And drop the "hater" thing already. It makes everyone, from all sides, sound like elementary school.

There will be plenty more of these kinds of threads.

This was State Dept emails from Sec of State office being poured through 12 years after the fact.

still relevant.

I just finished reviewing documents left by (at least) the four people who held my job before me - and I don't do anything that might have as earth shattering consequences as Clinton. So the fact that she didn't immediately follow him doesn't impress me.

with a world on fire after Bush that included a very much alive Bin Laden…….I'm sorry, but, I'm certain that your job is not exactly an apt comparison. And I say that as a Sanders voter and a longtime critic of HRC here at DU.

There were likely thousands of emails. How was she supposed to read all of them while keeping up with current emails plus everything else the job involves?

Keep in mind that this all went down during the first few years of the 8 years of Bush's administration. How may years worth of personal correspondence is she expected to personally comb over? The four years worth of her predecessor, Condoleezza Rice? Then, before her, Powell? That's 8 years worth of emails. But why stop there? What's special about 8? How about the 8 years of her husband's presidency? What about George H. W. Bush, or Reagan? As SOS she probably could have had access to much of that, but I really wouldn't want her spending her entire tenure reading old correspondence.

When you take a job, how many years worth of correspondence do you personally review?

I reviewed 15 years of correspondence, and other materials, from at least 4 predecessors in my current job. And I don't do anything that has consequences anywhere nearly as potentially earth-shattering as Clinton does.

Be careful what you ask. You might not get the answer you expect.

She should review everything received from predecessors that is still relevant to current events - or to people with whom she needs to forge relationships. That would include everything in the middle east. If she received the correspondence from all those other individuals you mentioned related to the Middle East, yes - she should be reviewing those documents.

(That title is sarcasm in case you didn't catch it.)

I don't know what you do or what kind of correspondence you had to review but it's ridiculous to think that she sat down and combed through at least eight years of her predecessors' emails.

You suggest that she should have at least reviewed everything that is still relevant. How would she filter out everything that is relevant? She would have to go through every email to determine what is or isn't relevant. Subject lines are often cryptic or unhelpful.

Didn't she just go through the server and electronically sort out which emails were personal and which were work - including shouting from the hilltops for far too long that we should just trust that her electronic sorting was sufficient? (As an interesting side note, certainly the Colin Powell emails were not her personal emails. Were they turned over originally - or only recently when she finally decided to hand over her server?)

While I don't believe unaudited electronic sorting is sufficient to separate intermingled personal and work emails, it is at least sufficient to sort emails to determine what is likely relevant to her job so she can review them and not be operating blind.

didn't have all that much to do.

IMO.

In an operational assignment, having the bubble for a turnover usually involves six months of essential (i.e ongoing impact) correspondence. If anything comes up in the course of the job that requires more background, someone brings you the file.

Come the spring, it will be 80+. During the summer it is around 70. So, as to whether I have much to do, your humble opinion isn't worth much.

I make time for things that are important - including reviewing the history of any job/project I pick up. Learning the history allows me to avoid repeating mistakes, and makes ongoing work much easier because I don't have to stop and do research anytime I'm dumped in the middle of things. As for someone bringing me the file, that presumes the information is organized into logical files - and it doesn't sound as if these emails were.

More help is not on the horizon, so I either do the work or it doesn't get done.

And the ability to read emails sent by my predecessors? (means)

I myself would have investigated the HELL out of the Bush Administration. I'd have had my people scour every available document revealing potential treason, in order to a) at the very least, find out what the hell went so wrong; b) reveal to authorities that treason has been committed, so that it can be determined what to do about it.

But apparently Hillary lacked either the curiosity or the moral fiber to even read about a pivotal time in our recent history?

Something is not adding up here, for me.

But then again, in fairness to Clinton, even if she had read the treasonous emails in question, Obama surely already had information at his disposal of equally treasonous acts committed by Shrub, et. al., not limited to torture and war crimes. Had he chosen to prosecute the Bush Administration, the information she had access to could potentially have been useful. But since he did not prosecute anyway, there was no one she could have alerted who would have done anything about those acts of treason, except possibly the press.

All she could have done was report anything important up the chain of command.

So 1) we don't know whether she read thousands of her predecessors emails. And 2) we don't know whether she reported these particular ones to Obama.

1. Bush could not have been charged with treason as the crime is very narrowly and specifically defined in the Constitution, and

2, the entire nation knew we'd been lied to the minute Bush pulled the weapons inspectors out of Iraq.

Colin Powell has acknowledged that he was deceived by Bush and Cheney, and that the justification he presented for the invasion was fabricated intel. There's no news here, and very few facts. It's pure manufactured outrage.

Which includes making herself aware of relevant history between her predecessor on ongoing international challenges by reviewing the correspondence she inherited.

Because you might get it stupidity on behalf of the GOP. They can be unbelievably stupid

I have no hope anyone will be prosecuted now. That's one of my biggest problems with the Obama administration. I wonder now if he didn't prosecute their war crimes because he didn't want that to be his legacy. It would have been far better a legacy than forgiving war crimes and crimes against humanity.

There is all kinds of crap like this that is going to be dug up, again. Her status as honorary BFEE member explains (almost) all of the reasons I won't be voting for her.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

classic

someone needs to put together a video of clips of those outrageous remarks from the era

Clinton could have smoking gun on Bush and didn't use it and majority of dems wouldn't care.Democratic party is just as neocon as
republican.how else do you explain after debate her support increases.

especilly the clintons who are buddys with Bush.Much of democratic Party doesn't care since they support her.

They care enough to continue waging war on the innocent. They care enough to fill our airwaves and shared media with unending streams of calculated misinformation and outright lies.
They care. A lot, apparently.

Bush and Cheney ARE convicted WAR CRIMINALS.

it as a good sign for both of them......because things have been very good lately for both of them to continue their 16 year plan to force evolution in America.

These kind of links to such imaginative opinion pieces used to belong in "Creative Conspiracies" forum at DU, am I right?

Folks are seriously not Recing this, are they?

...thing I think I will read." Then each day, a new one arises.

70 recs and counting.

Infuckingsane.

....and she "inherited" it from Colin Powell.

This is being presented here that she had "evidence" and covered it up? REALLY stretching to discredit Clinton.

and I would bet she didn't

Surge in the poles now is because America is remembering back thinking that Hillary would have brought punishment. After showing respect for Clinton in the poles, reality will be setting in. Hillary is a privatizer for the MIC, big banks, warring, bankruptcy, education and more. IMO, Clinton is a partner with the neoCons.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/iraq/timeline/062793.htm

Eager to please Bush an Clinton:
http://www.rense.com/general67/comdt.htm

voted for the IWR! She's just as culpable. She enabled them.
Also, no member of the Elite Establishment is EVER going to make one of their own pay for their crimes.

You realize that, don't you?

over reach themselves. Again.

..congress doing anything about it is (if it's possible) less than zero.

The right-wing media would have spun the story until the American people would swear it was all the Democrats fault. Plus, Hillary knows that.

No, I don't like the whole damn scenario either but...?

... the damned Republicans wouldn't have gained control of Congress in 2010.

...the populace won't stick their head in the sand. ..or maybe I'll hit the lottery...twice.

Iraq War - Crimes against humanity and TORTURE. Cheney and Bush ARE convicted war criminals - Kuala Lumpur convicted them.

And we wonder why they continue committing their crimes? There always the excuse of "it's too traumatic for the country, we must move on and heal." Bullshit. They should ALL pay for their crimes. Then maybe they would stop committing them.

You're right, they wouldn't be in control of Congress either! And we all know who's responsible for them getting away with it. DEMOCRATS.

That's a new one which I hadn't heard before.

I give you an 'A' for creativity.

Who knew this would be spun into an anti-Dem headline? At least Bernie doesn't play that game.

the catastrophe of backing a non-starter as a candidate folks can pull just about anything out of their ass. And what does that stuff being pulled out of their asses smell like? Desperation.

if this info was on the server,she might have never read
it. I detest these kind of attacks on HRC that start essentially
with an "IF".

Should the server have that info claimed in the article, I am
sure the CIA would have erased it. And again, if the info
is on the server the committee will not release it either.

If this was an attempt to smear HRC: FAIL!

But carry on if you wish.

So every new SOS has the duty to look for reasons to prosecute her predecessor? That's supposed to be their first order of business?

She should have done the honorable thing and used them.

by taking the emails to President Obama?

Assuming she had read through thousands of emails from the SoS who preceded the one who preceded her -- which is extremely unlikely, since she had an actual job to do.

of old emails, 8 years old and older, she couldn't have publicized them.

And we will never know if she did or if she reported them to Obama.

Now that the evidence has surfaced, what will Obama do about it?

I suspect he will ignore it.

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If only the American people could know the truth of the criminal Bush Administration.

Trying to tie Hillary to that shit is truly shark jumping activity. Stick to comparing policies and ideas and quit with the bullshit. Mmmmkay? Mmmmkay?

RW would do to a Democrat. I did not expect to see it on DU.

I resent being called a liar.