2016 Postmortem
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within 21 seconds Jake Tapper and Don Lemon used a dismissing term four times to describe the people on Facebook which overwhelmingly chose Bernie Sanders as the winner of the Democratic Debate.
Tapper even made it sound as if Facebook was some new-fangled thing to the T.V. viewing audience, Facebook is 11 years old, was started in 2004 and one would have to be pretty disconnected not to have heard about Facebook.
75% chose Bernie as winning the debate, a couple of points on Facebook demographics, females out number males 55% to 43.4% and people older than 25 make up the majority of Facebook users with just over 60%
Keep in mind that people under 17 only make up 8.9% of Facebook users and I would wager an even smaller % of them actually watched the debate, people 18-24 make up 30.9%,according to Tapper and Lemon this was a live response in real time as the debate was progressing, the people were actually viewing it.
So obviously CNN was intent on discounting the people on Facebook, no doubt because the vast majority watching the debate thought Bernie won.
http://www.ibtimes.com/facebook-gets-older-demographic-report-shows-3-million-teens-left-social-network-3-years-1543092
Some argue that the numerous Internet polls including Facebook, Focus Groups and Twitter activity which all showed that Bernie won the debate or was making a major impact are unscientific, they cite real polls as being the standard.
The problem with that is "real polls" don't specify people that actually viewed the debate but people that may of heard about it as well and if they didn't view it, they heard or saw edited clips about it from the media pundits or the question doesn't even come up.
The pundits bucked all the contrary points of view and stated with hardly an exception that Hillary won the debate, this has been repeated 24/7 since the debate while 15 million people actually saw the debate, hundreds of millions did not.
Many people have just seen clips, mostly of Bernie defending Hillary on the e-mail issue but the corporate media clips always omit Bernie's attack against them within the same breath and its preoccupation with saturating the airwaves about scandal and hardly nothing about the issues most important to the people, this is just a prime example of self-serving media manipulation.
Polls that have been taken since the debate have shown Hillary's numbers improving at Bernie's expense but these polls came after the corporate media's continuous propaganda offensive had run for a couple of days and make no mistake about it, people can be influenced by their news sources when not having first hand information, basically having their sense of reality warped.
No doubt this poll was "scientific" but it didn't come in a vacuum, the Republicans and their corporate media stenographers programmed the American People to believe this, despite overwhelming evidence, logic and just basic common sense to the contrary.
All the corporate media has to do was repeat the words Saddam Hussein and 9/11 over and over and over in the same sentence or paragraph, they didn't even have to directly say that Saddam was behind 9/11, just using the words together jelled that message in to the American Peoples' subconscious.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm
Poll: 70% believe Saddam, 9-11 link
WASHINGTON (AP) Nearly seven in 10 Americans believe it is likely that ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the Sept. 11 attacks, says a poll out almost two years after the terrorists' strike against this country
Why would the corporate media brainwash the American People into believing that Hillary won the debate when the majority of actual viewers thought Bernie did?
For that, all you need to do is follow the money, Citizens United is their gold rush and public financing their greatest fear, aside from that Bernie's tax policies of going after the most wealthy is a direct threat to not only their corporate owners and upper management of the corporate media, but many more than well paid pundits as well.
You can see their team at work just Googling Bernie's name, to see what the stories about him are from the corporate media, they're cookie cutter and extremely repetitive, hardly no deviation or bucking points of view.
Even if you went with the "scientific" polls that say almost one third of the American People believed that Bernie won, you might expect something along those lines from the corporate media programming pundits but it's not even close.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Facebook co-sponsored the debate.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)nor reflect Internet polls, unless they find out the Internet believes that Hillary wins it.
If they do, the won't be calling them "kids."
azmom
(5,208 posts)was so obvious. They are just shameless now.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Peace to you, azmom.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Kids.... Jesus, what they hell is wrong with our media? Oh never mind, I know, it's those fucking kids.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Thanks for the link, Juicy_Bellows.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)I wish they were subjugated to ratings like other stations, now I think they are just there to bloviate and spew their control message to the rubes.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Only 6% of the voting public watched the debate.
Even if *ALL* of them were Democrats, that still means that less than 20% of Dems watched the debate. You'd have to poll several thousand people to find enough people who watched the debate to get a meaningful sample.
Obviously, none of the polling outfits did that.
Hence the meaningless results: Garbage in, garbage out.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)that's why she manipulated them in such an autocratic and cynical manner.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Can't robocall or use IVR or other technology on a cell phone without express consent, so no polling for me and everyone else I know. My 72 year old mother has nothing but a cell phone, no polling for her either unless she does one of them unscientific click thingie polls.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Most I know still have their landline...cells are unpredictable in emergencies, power outages and earthquakes.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Jerry: Oh yeah,..I remember you.
Sam: Yeah, where do you live now?
Jerry: Still here in town.
Sam: Cool! Me too!
(TOGETHER): Can you get any weed?
TBF
(32,056 posts)but the kids are on Instagram and Snapchat.
And probably other sites that we haven't found them on yet ...
They sure as heck aren't answering landlines or watching network news.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Not too long ago people got a place with an extra bedroom that they called an "office" which got expensive for apartments.
These days it's all about portability because sitting at a desk in front of a monitor and keyboard feels too much like being at work. It's pads and phones now.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)I could be Don Lemon's dad.
tritsofme
(17,377 posts)While having considerably less actual support in his party than Sanders has today.
It speaks to the fact that they have motivated supporters willing to run up the score in online polls, but very little else.
Sorry the real world isn't working out as you expected.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)"non real world mouths" are.
Bernie Sanders is seeing a major post-debate boost, with a surge in donations that has netted him more than $3 million in just a few days and set him up for what political experts say could be a long battle for the Democratic nomination.
Sanders has been steadily building his support in the past few months, growing from a fringe candidate into now what is considered a major threat to Hillary Clinton. Now he has the fundraising to add, nearly matching Clintons total over the last three months
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The Sanders campaign reported more than $3 million in the days after the first presidential debate and noted that Sanders is doing it with a grassroots approach.
Other campaigns are bankrolled by big donors who have given so much even under our current corrupt political system they cant legally give any more, campaign manager Jeff Weaver said. Bernies big base of small donors may give again and again. What is clear now is that this campaign to transform America will have the resources to fight all the way to the convention.
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Bernie Sanders have been copying a template that Barack Obama used in his race against Hillary Clinton in 2008. Like Sanders, Obama lacked a political machine to match the Clintons and instead focused on bringing in a large number of smaller donations. Sanders has done the same, with more than 1.3 million total donations and only about 270 of his 68,000 donors giving the maximum $2,700.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2499970/bernie-sanders-fundraising-post-debate-push-helps-sanders-come-within-reach-of-hillary-clinton-prepares-him-for-long-primary-battle/#HlzGM5F4gKrT0flP.99
Duppers
(28,120 posts)Thank you, Uncle Joe. You've nailed how skewed media info in this country has become.
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Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)great post uncle joe!
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)with the use of the word kids in one short paragraph.
Thanks restorefreedom, I also believe there will be some "new kids on the block" of Pennsylvania Ave.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Thank you!
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Thank you, pinebox.