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RandySF

(58,823 posts)
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:55 PM Oct 2015

Poll-averse Bernie Sanders hires former Howard Dean pollster

(CNN)Bernie Sanders, who has recently blasted poll-tested politicians, has hired a pollster of his own as his campaign enters a key stretch before the early nominating contests.

The Sanders campaign defended Monday their decision to hire former Howard Dean pollster Ben Tulchin, just a few days after Sanders knocked other politicians for taking politically convenient positions.

"Bernie has never been interested in polling but we convinced him we needed data for targeting," said Tad Devine, Sanders' top strategist, in a statement. "Now that we are going to do paid media next month, he approved having a pollster to give us the data we need to buy media correctly and target the ads."

Sanders' top aides, namely Devine, had been pushing for the campaign to hire a pollster, particularly because they wanted to test what aspects of the senator's stump speech were resonating and which aspects weren't.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/26/politics/bernie-sanders-howard-dean-pollster/

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Poll-averse Bernie Sanders hires former Howard Dean pollster (Original Post) RandySF Oct 2015 OP
Taking politically convenient positions and efficiently targeting your advertising are two different Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #1
This. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #4
Too nuanced, Joe, too nuanced. artislife Oct 2015 #7
Thank you for your comment Uncle Joe. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #8
Yup. Thanks for the sanity. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #9
+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #14
It's like they don't read the text they post. Kalidurga Oct 2015 #16
Indeed they are. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #17
next a super pac? If he doesn't break out of the 25% range what's the use? upaloopa Oct 2015 #2
Bernie Sanders - Ready To Do Battle With The Vincible HRC - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Oct 2015 #3
Very pragmatic on his part. Good call. Nt NCTraveler Oct 2015 #5
Good Schema Thing Oct 2015 #6
yet another evolution Sheepshank Oct 2015 #10
Your candidate evolves rapidly on core principles, mine evolves on whether or not he should use a Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #12
Only a little bit pregnant....playing with degrees. Sheepshank Oct 2015 #20
Not long ago ya'll criticized him for not using pollsters. You make my head spin. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #11
And y'all defended that choice not to hire pollsters....... Sheepshank Oct 2015 #21
Damned if he doesn't, damned if he does 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #13
Who needs a pollster when he's winning in all 50 states? ucrdem Oct 2015 #15
He Flips! He Flops! He proves he's just another politician!!! MohRokTah Oct 2015 #18
Another flip flop workinclasszero Oct 2015 #19
I've never been interested in polling, either. LWolf Oct 2015 #22
Flip Flop! What next, a super pac? leftofcool Oct 2015 #23
He's only doing this so he can target his message better, as he said on Rachel last night. boston bean Oct 2015 #24

Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
1. Taking politically convenient positions and efficiently targeting your advertising are two different
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:58 PM
Oct 2015

things.

Thanks for the thread, RandySF.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
10. yet another evolution
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:12 PM
Oct 2015

Keep 'em coming, and shut down the talking points that politicians are not permitted to evolve.

And I'm bein generous here in giving Bernie the benefit of the doubt, in that he is evolving. I could have said he was a hypocrit.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
12. Your candidate evolves rapidly on core principles, mine evolves on whether or not he should use a
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:16 PM
Oct 2015

pollster to help target his ads more effectively. Do you really want to take up this "issue."

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
20. Only a little bit pregnant....playing with degrees.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:10 AM
Oct 2015

Silly justification. Bernies changes and evolving on several topic now blow you simplistic justification out of the water

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
21. And y'all defended that choice not to hire pollsters.......
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:15 AM
Oct 2015

....as if it were some important moral stand.

And yet another aspect of this particular evolution is Bernie is telling everyone that polls are important...another thing Bernie supporters previously considered an anathema. Maybe polls are now our friends.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
13. Damned if he doesn't, damned if he does
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:20 PM
Oct 2015

I'd bet my walking shoes, that what Bernie spends on polling will be a minuscule
pittance, compared to Hillary's $1 Million+ (and counting) for polling services.

Hillary supporters are fond of saying Hillary is "the serious candidate" for POTUS,
because she "understands what it takes" to win a national election. I'll grant there IS
a grain of truth to this, in that this is Bernie's first national campaign, and -- as he
said today on the Rachael Maddow show -- he's needing to do some things he didn't
have to do at the state level, including some polling services, in part to help anticipate
the nature of some of the negative campaign ads that will be targeting him in the
near future.


 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
18. He Flips! He Flops! He proves he's just another politician!!!
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:27 PM
Oct 2015

Oh how the sanctified have lost their luster.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
22. I've never been interested in polling, either.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:34 AM
Oct 2015

Apparently Sanders and I have that in common. I don't think Bernie's going to be changing his positions based on this.

It looks like there might be a reason not to give poll numbers the weight we see happen in presidential campaigns:

http://time.com/4067019/gallup-horse-race-polling/

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
24. He's only doing this so he can target his message better, as he said on Rachel last night.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:58 AM
Oct 2015

Just like every other politician, I might add.

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