... because it is so - uh - what's the word? - right, yeah - relevant!

... relevant.

Extremely so.

I think this OP will turn a lot of HRC supporters around, because it's just so - uh, relevant and all.

I've no doubt that this OP will change the minds of millions of HRC supporters everywhere!

But there are a lot of them out there - I take it you've seen the polls? - so maybe more than one OP like this might be necessary.

But I just know that you'll do your best!

Been in the streets where the percentages seem to be about the same as on DU.

different than on DU. Fancy that.

Or maybe, you are visiting the wrong parts of the streets? Try the family friendly parts.

Believe me, I'm visiting the right parts and the right streets.

The feedback we're getting is, "The old guy isn't doing it for them"; "We don't want another old White man in the White House"; "Having a woman president IS a revolution"; "He doesn't seem to like Black people"; "That guy shouts too much and pisses me off"; "He looks angry all the time."

Then again, where I live, it's predominantly "minorities" (Asians, Pakistanis, Blacks, Hispanics/Latinos). Those who follow politics loosely appear to believe that it's time for a woman to be president.

Yes, it's sad that people are so detached from politics, even hate hearing about it. We usually get a dismissive hand-wave when we ask if people are registered to vote or a "we're already going to vote for Hillary Clinton". When I ask why they've chosen her over Bernie Sanders, I get the responses you see in my post, but the vast majority simply shrug and say, "it's time for a woman to be president".

Did you also just not only exhibit but justify ageism by your second paragraph?

Try visiting the average or left part of the streets instead of the 'right' to get a true representation.

We have gotten a whole lot to register without even soliciting them just by having the forms available at our Bernie tables.

I wonder if you mention Hillary's age when asked about Bernie's since they aren't very far apart at all. And you are the one that brought up age.

Thanks for the compliment. I am kind of cute, sometimes.

Posts like this should never go unnoticed.

Seriously, they really shouldn't.

It's OPs like this that truly bring to the fore how important it is that issues like this discussed. I wouldn't want anyone to miss it, because it truly speaks to what this site is really all about.

I underestimated you, apparently. And, I'll be happy to provide you more fodder. Keep an eye out.

I am not always 100% correct after all.

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Forget that Hillary had such fond memories of learning to shoot under her grandfather and all that nonsense, irrelevant.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

I'm so tired of the unbelievable hypocrisy from these extremely rude Clinton supporters here.

They scream bloody murder, literally.. Over Mr. Sanders 'terrible' record on guns'. But you bring up a perfectly valid point here, and they come to attack you for being ludicrous and lecture you about what a despicable surrogate you are (totally unlike themselves of course).

Grab another handful and try again.

'A mistake,' by her own admission that cost thousands of life and left the Middle East a mess? Does that stick in your craw?

Efforts to make it "Hillary's War" continue to fall flat.

with murder.

Shame on those that not only don't hold those in power accountable but even worse, ignore their crimes and seek even greater power for them.

I'm not exactly sure why I'd need to be absolved of anything.

I'd have been much happier if that was all that was involved,

Hand-wringing posts. Poo-flinging attacks. Good grief. Such silliness.

Unless you've got anything else important to say, I think we're done here.

You brought up the poo-flinging remark, remember that? I don't suppose you do but the record is there for all to see, unfortunately for you.

So long, I'd like to say I'd miss you but that would make me a hypocrite, wouldn't it?

Don't feel encumbered to answer that.

What baffles me is that anyone would incorrectly characterize it as being how I view the war. It's just beyond silly.

The more I read, the more I fully understand why Bernie's supporters are having such a difficult time in changing hearts and minds. Although this website isn't the ideal place to find undecided individuals who can be persuaded to change their mind and their vote, I can say with a great deal of confidence, that if these are the same methods that are used in the real world, if this is the same sour attitude that is pervasive outside this discussion forum, then it's little wonder why Bernie's message isn't being received as well as his supporters had hoped.


Why would I care if anyone here missed me or not? Why would I care if an emotional anonymous poster thinks I'm a hypocrite? Again... "meh!"

Is nonsensical the new Hillary fad?

Is that to be a required field of study if Hillary wins?

A few of whom were friends of mine.

Its cool tho, I get it. Fake outrage at Bernie for being weak on the guns that Clinton profited from at Walmart is legit.

But supporting a for profit war that killed hundreds of thousands, drained our treasury, and caused all these problems we face in the ME now.. 'Meh' Boring

And his clothes or posture.

You must be thinking of someone else when you refer to "fake outrage" regarding Bernie and guns. That issue is low on my list of priorities. It's just the hair-thing that I can't get over.

Sorry for the delayed reply. Not much free time for DU when a fellas busy working 12 hrs a day.

Appreciate your concern. My two young
girls get most of my attention when I'm not working, but I really enjoy playing music, fishing, and the occasional poker game!

Lately however, the majority of my personal time is dedicated to helping get a crap ton of people who haven't voted before, or are registered Independents, because neither party cares in their eyes, registered as Dems and engaged so they'll show up for Bernie on super Tuesday. Very satisfying stuff! And it's so cool that here in MD, everything can be done immediately online

I'm privileged that I get to engage with people all day through my work and help grow the peoples revolution while also getting paid.

But hey, maybe after this election stuff is in the rear view, I'll try and focus more on doing productive things. Like trolling people online with unprovoked, substance free, snark.

Goodnight now.

If I have mistaken you for a frequent flyer here, I apologize. She has signed up thousands of times, and if I mistook you for her in error, my apologies.

Granting absolution, or not.

… is that many Bernie supporters have the philosophy of "he who has the last word, wins the debate". (I'm not entirely sure if their definition of "win" or "debate" is the accurate, but, whatever.)

There will always be a final last-word response. It's pretty much the Bart Simpson School of Debating all-purpose retort of "I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I?"

I'm thoroughly convinced, and I fully accept the fact that I'll never change the mind of any Bernie supporter, nor will I convince hard-core Hillary-haters to vote for her in the general election. But, on the flip-side, it seems to me that the vast majority of Bernie supporters haven't yet come to that realization.

Exactly who do the aggressive Bernie supporters think they'll be able to "convert" or change their vote? I think it's safe to say that almost everyone here has already made up their minds, and it's equally safe to assume that this website isn't likely to be the place where the "undecided" voters show up to gather unbiased information when making their decision.

From what I can observe, it's just an exercise in futile taunting that will have absolutely no effect on the outcome of the nomination and the general election.

Definitely annoying, but oddly comforting. It's a reminder to me of what a strong candidate Hillary is.

They sat around whining about Obama for 6+ years.

Did nothing to locate and build up candidates that would be suitably progressive for them.

Were desperate for Warren, who said no. And now think Bernie is the new Messiah.

And so now we have another Bernie apostle running around declaring who gets absolved, or not.

Which ironically, is how much of the RW works. Self proclaimed authority figures trying to shame the masses into following them.

Kind of funny when you think about it.

because of your 'They sat around whining about Obama for 6+ years' claim.

I have been an admirer and fairly big donator of Obama since the beginning. I am sure you can find posts from me on DU claiming he will go down in history as one of the best Presidents and I stand by those. I have also criticized him when I felt i necessary. That is what good citizens do. They hold their elected individuals to account.

In fact, most of us that voted for Obama last time would not vote for Hillary then or now unless we were forced to.

So your post is just, extremely, simple.

... now supports Hillary.

I've been noticing about them. So-called "facts" and "issues" are really just pious and often irrational, always out-of-context moral sermons and holier-than-thou proclamations devoid of logic. Thats totally right wing!

Loved your post.

There haven't been any recent war votes have there?

... and piss off the right folks all at the same time.

All in all, not too bad.

Kind or a circulatory projection these days , isn't it?

What were the working conditions and pay for employees!

...but thank you for confirming that Sanders' position on guns is a sufficient problem that you need a "Hillary did it too!" excuse.

Not really a problem, just enjoy pointing out hypocrisy where I find it and find enough free time to do so.

...most of the Hillary supporters are writing about increase restrictions and regulation, not outright bans. Under those conditions, Walmart would still be selling guns (last time I was there, I don't recall seeing any automatic weapons.)

It is also true that the Clintons have caused global warming, hurricanes, tornadoes and the latest earthquake.

I certainly don't but I don't want to invalidate your opinion.

As for the rest, I think Hillary supporters have already blamed Bernie for most of them so you can't now claim them for Hillary. Unless of course, you are flip flopping.

So Hillary must be too. If Bernie wants in on the evil deal you will have to come up with something not attributed to Bill.

It would be telling if there were specific enough data available to tease out that information.

This is rational.

Hope we see you around in the future.

I love your op. So much morning love and a track record of being wrong to go with it. It's going to be a good day. Here's to your hope!!!!

But Bernie's track record gives me lots of hope. Hillary's leaves me in tears.

And your op is brilliant. No where to go but up. Here's to hope!!!!

Happy Monday morning. Here is to hoping we can stop the sale of guns. I'm hoping with you. I'm also now so happy that I'm hopping with you too. For real this time? When was it not real!?!?!?!

They were way to busy fighting unions and shipping manufacturing to China, and never had the time to address gun sales.

7. Wal-Mart has become the largest seller of guns and ammunition in the United States.

Just a few years ago, it was hard to find guns in Wal-Mart outside of rural hunting areas. But in 2011, in an attempt to revive flagging sales, the behemoth retailer decided to expand gun sales to half of its 3,982 stores nationwide — including in some urban areas like Albuquerque.

This long investigation by George Zornick tells the tale of how Wal-Mart conquered the U.S. gun market. The company now sells 400 guns in its stores. Sales have been brisk. The FBI received nearly 16.8 million background check requests this year. "Walmart is now the biggest seller of firearms and ammunition in America," Zornick writes.

For some companies, Wal-Mart is utterly crucial. Financial disclosure forms for Freedom Group Inc., the largest gun maker in America, reveal that 15 percent of its sales came from Wal-Mart alone last year.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/19/seven-facts-about-the-u-s-gun-industry/

the Freedom Group made approximately 13% of its sales through walmart stores, and by their own numbers, sold 1.2 million long guns for the 12 months ending march 2010. the bushmaster used by the newtown killer retails for about $1200. 1.2 milion sold times $1200 estimated cost per gun gives us a figure of 1.44 billion for the Freedom Group. 13% of 1.44 billion (representing walmart sales) is $187,200,000 sales representing walmart. that divided by the $1200 retail cost of a bushmaster gives us an estimate of approximately 156,000 guns sold through walmart per year. hillary was on the board of walmart from 1986 to 1992, six years. six years of gun sales at 156,000 per year gives us a total of 936,000 guns sold while she was on the board.

since walmart conveniently does not release annual gun sales figures, this was all done by estimate based on the figures from the freedom group and by the average cost of a gun. There's also the possibility that during some of the years she was on the board Walmart chose not to sell guns at all, although it looks like they did not suspend gun sales until much later. and we have to consider the trajectory of gun sales overtime, for example if they have been become more popular in recent years that would affect the estimate. Or if they were selling more several years ago that would mean the estimate is too low. But if they were selling guns at a consistent rate during the years when she was on the board, is very possible that nearly a million Long guns were sold at Walmart while Hillary was on the board. I have not seen and was not able to find any other estimate which is why I put this one together myself. I think it's a pretty reasonable breakdown of what could've happened based on the available figures. If someone has a more accurate estimate I would love to see it. even if the estimate is slightly high due to the possible increased popularity of guns during the past few years, it's still represents a lot of guns that were sold during her tenure on the board. And whether the figure is 1 million or a half million, it certainly is enough to call into question her credibility on this issue in my view.

I'm interested in anything that provides more information rather than just sarcasm & eye-rolling.

What is interesting is that in 1993, (Hillary left in 1992) a decision was made to stop selling hand guns at stores--probably because that was the year the Brady Bill was up for vote.

Also interesting is my search for an actual answer--I am ever curious--triggered a link to that cesspit free-republic, (probably because the topic was guns, nonetheless I was quite surprised to see it)

Also interesting, during her tenure there, she promoted hiring of women in the company and campaigned for improved environmental practices.

But far more interesting than all of that is this

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A powerful image.

Thanks ism!

Fuhgedaboudit."

is what were they wearing while purchasing their fire arm.

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/