Sure they’re capitalists, but they’re also iconoclasts—Wade Black’s Twitter feed includes several retweets of the dissident journalist Glenn Greenwald and the contrarian finance blog Zerohedge. They do not worship at the altar of the market, and having seen the American economic system from the inside, they’ve come to agree with Sanders’ conclusion that the game is rigged in favor of the well connected and a handful of big banks. Some also work at small Wall Street shops that could actually benefit if Sanders succeeded in his No. 1 goal: breaking up the biggest banks.

Which is why Fox Business Network senior correspondent Charles Gasparino—who took to the airways three weeks ago to express shock at his discovery that two brokers in Washington state listed as employees of Merrill Lynch had given Sanders a total of $3,700—tells Politico Magazine he wants to know: “When you gave that contribution, did you have a heroin needle sticking out of your arm?”

Hillary Clinton has turned up her anti-Wall Street rhetoric as Sanders has gained ground, but her husband’s administration deregulated the industry in the ’90s, and she maintained good relations with it as a senator from New York. Today, she carries the seal of approval of Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein. The top 20 contributing organizations to Clinton include Morgan Stanley (whose employees have given $133,000), JPMorgan Chase ($97,000) and Bank of America ($90,000). Meanwhile, no bank broke into Sanders’ top 20, which would require less than $7,700. Not a single soul currently employed by Goldman Sachs chipped in for Sanders—an impressive feat of restraint given that at least three current or former employees of the Koch brothers appear on his donor rolls.

But then Ryan starts to talk politics, and the words between the four-letter ones start to sound different. “Anyone with any sophisticated understanding of what’s going on takes that Republican free market bullshit and just calls it out,” he says. “Nobody even knows what the fuck a socialist is anymore.”

Seeing the pendulum swing too far in favor of unregulated markets, the onetime supporter of the Reagan revolution says he’s ready for another revolution. “I think there’s a balance, a dialectic, if you read Karl Marx, that has to pull things back towards the middle.”

Now, he’s pinning his hopes for reform on the blunt Brooklynite Sanders. “If he’s president, then he’ll probably enforce the labor laws,” says Ryan with anticipation. “Amazon should probably shit its pants.”

If Sanders loses the nomination, Ryan says he’s considering bypassing Hillary Clinton, whom he disdains as much as her husband, for the nuclear option. “I might just want to see some Republican run it and let the shithouse burn down.”