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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:44 PM Oct 2015

If any senator were going to endorse Sanders, it would be Brown. Yet here he is endorsing Hillary

Bernie Sanders's closest Senate ally just endorsed Hillary Clinton
Updated by Dylan Matthews on October 27, 2015, 12:00 p.m. ET


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But the move is also an indication of just how tough Sanders is finding it to get even ideologically sympathetic elected officials on his side.

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If any senator were going to endorse Sanders, it would be Sherrod Brown. And yet here he is, endorsing Clinton.

This is a broader problem than just Brown, though. Other vocal congressional progressives have flocked to endorse Hillary.

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To a large degree, this is a testament to just how many connections Clinton maintains with different important factions in the Democratic Party. As far back as 2013, women senators were announcing their support for her bid. Her time as senator from New York means liberal politicians from New York City like Serrano feel obliged to offer her their endorsements. Mayor Bill de Blasio — who, along with Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, is one of the most prominent progressive Democrats in the country — is reportedly planning to endorse Clinton soon. That doesn't just reflect regional loyalties: He ran Clinton's 2000 Senate campaign.

By contrast, Sanders has been endorsed by a total of two major elected officials: Congressional Progressive Caucus co-chairs Reps. Keith Ellison (D-MN) and Raúl Grijalva (D-AZ). He couldn't even keep Vermont Gov. Peter Shumlin, a die-hard progressive who tried to implement single-payer health care in the state, from endorsing Clinton.

It's still theoretically possible that Sanders could nab an endorsement from Elizabeth Warren, the last big-deal progressive whose support is still up for grabs. But it's unclear why she would. She signed that 2013 letter from women Democratic senators expressing support for Clinton, and with her position in the Democratic leadership, it's doubtful she'd want to alienate herself from her colleagues by being literally the only senator to back Bernie.

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http://www.vox.com/2015/10/27/9621380/bernie-sanders-sherrod-brown
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If any senator were going to endorse Sanders, it would be Brown. Yet here he is endorsing Hillary (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 OP
A pro-Hillary source stretching the truth... say it ain't so. Fearless Oct 2015 #1
Reminds me of Hunter S Thompson... Fear & Loathing peacebird Oct 2015 #2
good rule of thumb.....always endorse the one with the enemies list virtualobserver Oct 2015 #3
Nailed it! tularetom Oct 2015 #4
yep. The "Clinton Grudge List" (google it) m-lekktor Oct 2015 #6
Can you imagine how she would preside over this country? senz Oct 2015 #28
That insulting term is straight out of right wing fever swamps Capn Sunshine Oct 2015 #29
It's absolutely embarassing. Cringe inducing some of the stuff that gets posted here Number23 Oct 2015 #42
So all these democrats are endorsing Clinton because they're sufrommich Oct 2015 #7
grudges aren't conspiracies....... virtualobserver Oct 2015 #8
What happened to Bill Richardson and Claire McCaskill? sufrommich Oct 2015 #10
I notice that Obama and his family are alive and well. MoonRiver Oct 2015 #11
I just can't believe some of the crap spewed here. sufrommich Oct 2015 #13
It's almost beyond belief. MoonRiver Oct 2015 #15
Win! mcar Oct 2015 #22
you are the one leaping to the "cowardice" conclusion virtualobserver Oct 2015 #12
Bullshit. Your post goddamned well insinuates that her endorsers fear her sufrommich Oct 2015 #16
Hillary's hit list virtualobserver Oct 2015 #17
They don't care about facts. They just like the word "conspiracy." senz Oct 2015 #31
What you said Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #45
There it is. MuseRider Oct 2015 #18
even staying on the fence got you on the list virtualobserver Oct 2015 #19
The people who endorse her are superdelegates. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #35
there ya go....nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #27
Of course they are going to endorse Hillary, she is the presumed front runner. Autumn Oct 2015 #5
He always on Morning Joe bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #9
For the majority angrychair Oct 2015 #14
That's an extremely unfair characterization of Sherrod Brown. emulatorloo Oct 2015 #23
As i stated angrychair Oct 2015 #38
TPTB got to him and corrupted him somehow. boston bean Oct 2015 #20
Oh noes! What ever will we do?!? whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Oct 2015 #24
^^^^ THIS ^^^^ senz Oct 2015 #33
i know I saw that and was a bit surprised.. thanks Cali~ Cha Oct 2015 #25
I'm not surprised at all fredamae Oct 2015 #26
Yes those uncourageous people such as Tammy Duckworth dsc Oct 2015 #36
Where did I inject fredamae Oct 2015 #41
Not true... SidDithers Oct 2015 #30
Lol.nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #47
A toast to plutocracy. Broward Oct 2015 #32
That is why it feel like a coronation and very undemocratic. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #34
Ahh... I get it. NurseJackie Oct 2015 #37
under the bus ya go, Sherrod! He was never a reeeeeaaal progressive wyldwolf Oct 2015 #39
Sherrod Brown ? Buzz cook Oct 2015 #40
"Bernie Sander's closest Senate ally just endorsed Hillary Clinton" Cha Oct 2015 #43
Those with the most power in an organization get the most endorsements. mmonk Oct 2015 #44
Wouldn't it be Warren? WI_DEM Oct 2015 #46

Capn Sunshine

(14,378 posts)
29. That insulting term is straight out of right wing fever swamps
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:40 PM
Oct 2015

It's annoying how much right wing extremist crap on Hillary gets gleefully reposted here on DU.


Number23

(24,544 posts)
42. It's absolutely embarassing. Cringe inducing some of the stuff that gets posted here
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:22 PM
Oct 2015

Someone posts that the reason a Senator supports Hillary is out of "fear" and yet downthread, Sanders supporters are whining about the "gloating" from the Hillary camp.

Surreal. What this place is.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
7. So all these democrats are endorsing Clinton because they're
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:52 PM
Oct 2015

afraid? Is that the latest conspiracy theory?

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
8. grudges aren't conspiracies.......
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:03 PM
Oct 2015

If you think that they don't hold grudges, talk to Bill Richardson and Claire McCaskill.

If you cross team Hillary, you'd better be damn sure that the person that you do endorse, wins.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
10. What happened to Bill Richardson and Claire McCaskill?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:09 PM
Oct 2015

Are they dead? What exactly happens if you "cross team Hillary"? Do tell. You seem to be accusing a lot of good democratic

leaders of cowardice,including some who have faced true real enemies if their lifetime.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
11. I notice that Obama and his family are alive and well.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:24 PM
Oct 2015

But Joe Biden's son recently died of cancer. Hmmm

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
13. I just can't believe some of the crap spewed here.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:29 PM
Oct 2015

It's basically an accusation of cowardice. I wonder if this Hillary supporter is afraid:








or this Hillary supporter:

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
15. It's almost beyond belief.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:31 PM
Oct 2015

But the hate is so thick they can only come up with insane reasons why so many like and support Hillary.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
12. you are the one leaping to the "cowardice" conclusion
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:25 PM
Oct 2015

it is just smart vs. dumb politics.

Bill and Claire made the right call in 2008......but there was great offense taken by Team Hillary.

Bernie won't hold it against anyone. Bill and Hillary sure as hell will.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
16. Bullshit. Your post goddamned well insinuates that her endorsers fear her
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:33 PM
Oct 2015

"enemies list". It's absolute bullshit and it's insulting as hell.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
17. Hillary's hit list
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:36 PM
Oct 2015
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/195188-hillarys-hit-list

Almost six years later most Clinton aides can still rattle off the names of traitors and the favors that had been done for them, then provide details of just how each of the guilty had gone on to betray the Clintons—as if it all had happened just a few hours before. The data project ensured that the acts of the sinners and saints would never be forgotten.

There was a special circle of Clinton hell reserved for people who had endorsed Obama or stayed on the fenceafter Bill and Hillary had raised money for them, appointed them to a political post, or written a recommendation to ice their kid’s application to an elite school.

On one early draft of the hit list, each Democratic member of Congress was assigned a numerical grade from one to seven, with the most helpful to Hillary earning ones and the most treacherous drawing sevens. The set of sevens included Sens. John Kerry, Jay Rockefeller, Bob Casey, and Patrick Leahy, as well as Reps. Chris Van Hollen, Baron Hill, and Rob Andrews.
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
31. They don't care about facts. They just like the word "conspiracy."
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:47 PM
Oct 2015

If they were interested in truth and facts, they wouldn't be backing that person.

However, it is always good to have the facts out there. So thanks!

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
45. What you said
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 07:25 AM
Oct 2015

Facts don't matter with them so much as backing the person they perceive to be a "winner".

MuseRider

(34,108 posts)
18. There it is.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:37 PM
Oct 2015

Any Democrat who would endorse an Independent especially against HRC (add DWS) would likely suffer largely. I certainly will never hold their endorsements against them. I think a large part of the public does not even know what an endorsement really is. It seems to matter here some but actually, do any of us choose our candidate on endorsements unless we simply cannot make a choice?





Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
35. The people who endorse her are superdelegates.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:58 PM
Oct 2015

It is more than just using their mailing list and donors for the candidate.

There are 747 superdelegates.

It is unlikely that they will swing the primary, but they could.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
9. He always on Morning Joe
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:04 PM
Oct 2015

and really talks it up with the other people on there. It surprises me when I've seen him on there.

angrychair

(8,698 posts)
14. For the majority
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:31 PM
Oct 2015

Of elected officials, money talks (dark money talks very loudly) and poor people walk.
At the end of the day, all most politicians care about is money and getting re-elected, Bernie is rocking the boat. Bernie is not "business as usual".
Its hard to want to change the way government is working. All the perks and influence money can buy. Its easy to support and be friends with a Senator Sanders, one senator among many from a small state and limited audience. A very different situation with a president Sanders and a national audience (read: bully pulpit).
He might actually be able to do some of those things he talks about. Change is hard. Doing the right thing for the American people is hard.

emulatorloo

(44,120 posts)
23. That's an extremely unfair characterization of Sherrod Brown.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:59 PM
Oct 2015

He's one of the best liberal Senators we have, a true public servant. He fights for what's right.

There is nothing at all in his record that suggests all he cares about is money and getting re-elected.

angrychair

(8,698 posts)
38. As i stated
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:38 PM
Oct 2015

"Its easy to support and be friends with a Senator Sanders, one senator among many from a small state and limited audience. A very different situation with a president Sanders and a national audience (read: bully pulpit).
He might actually be able to do some of those things he talks about. Change is hard. Doing the right thing for the American people is hard."
It is no slight against Sherrod Brown, as I stated "change is hard".
Make no mistake, this election is about "status quo" vs "change". It is about your willingness to accept that 51% of Americans live on less than $30,000 a year and so what or want to Make that better. (https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi?year=2014)
That .08% (yes, point zero eight percent) own 53% of all wages earned in 2014 or you want to make it better. (https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi?year=2014)
That student loan debt is second only to home mortgage debt or you want to make it better. (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/upshot/were-frighteningly-in-the-dark-about-student-debt.html?referer=&_r=0)
Not just talk about it as the progressive moderate-centerist who doesn't want to be like Denmark (cause 'Merica).

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
21. Oh noes! What ever will we do?!?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:54 PM
Oct 2015

The derision, gloating, and baiting by Hillary supporters is what I'll remember most on Nov. 8th.

Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #21)

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
33. ^^^^ THIS ^^^^
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:52 PM
Oct 2015

I wish the entire country could read what they say; she'd sink like a rock.

Hillary supporters on DU are making it increasingly difficult for me to even consider voting for her.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
26. I'm not surprised at all
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:37 PM
Oct 2015

I agree with the person who mused (Thom Hartmann, I believe) no politician wants to be on the wrong side of the Clintons...should she win the nomination and the GE. (Paraphrased)

I can see that. It's always about politics....the end game-IMO.

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
34. That is why it feel like a coronation and very undemocratic.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:53 PM
Oct 2015

It is as if the backroom deals happened before the primary and convention... not during.

It feels like Clinton has been the odds on favorite since 2004 when she was outpolling those in the race even when she wasn't.

For many she is a safe bet and a throwback to the Clinton years. I can't blame them but it all seems very boring and same ol' same ol'.

Bernie still is representing what the party needs to hear even if they don't want to take their medicine.... yet.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
37. Ahh... I get it.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:01 PM
Oct 2015

Based on posts around this website, if a politician endorses Hillary, they don't really mean it, and they're only doing so because they are afraid of some sort of retaliation. By default, all endorsements for Hillary are void.

But if a politician of similar stature endorses Bernie, then it actually means something. Got it!

(Actually, the more I think about it, the more I kinda like the notion that people fear Hillary's political prowess.)

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
44. Those with the most power in an organization get the most endorsements.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 07:15 AM
Oct 2015

There are reward punishment scenarios.

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