Yet you haven't deleted your dishonest OP:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251734529

Double standard much?

It was not sexist, she didn't say it was sexist. The media is saying that.

Meanwhile Bernie is ingratiating himself with the worst element of the American gun culture. It's pure insanity on his part, and he won't win with it.

Some people think WOMEN shout ...
duh

Was it an implication of Misogyny or Sexism? No.

Do the Bernie backers have the right to resent her responding to his accusation of shouting? I guess. But you get lost in the weeds when you do. And you appear to be the sexists.

brought into this argument?

I wonder if O'Malley will clarify he isn't a woman shouting about guns?

Next thing you know he will be mansplain chit to men.

Facts aren't allowed here!

Approve of your comment I do master Yoda.

you wanted to respond to #3 not #1. No problem, we all make these little mistakes some times.

Thanks for playing, though.

never serious.

Hillary never said Bernie was sexist.

Although he did write a very sexist essay once. And another about prude women getting cancer.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

What's Bernie's excuse?

Please explain.

So you can pretend to not understand, that's a silly waste of time. Have a lovely evening.

... have to do with attributing something to her that she never said?

And BTW, she was a Republican for a very short period during her freshman year in college. Elizabeth Warren was a Republican well into her forties. Are you saying that it's okay to falsely attribute statements to Warren because "she was a Republican, for Heaven's sake" and is "living in a glass house" as a result?

Yeah and Bernie only tried marijuana twice and it didn't work.

Right.

For a year.

The glass houses comment however was directed at calling Bernie sexist.

... have to do with anything?

Hillary didn't call Bernie a sexist, which is the claim made in the OP title.

And neither did the poster above, who stated that BS wrote a "very sexist essay once". He did. You can find it on-line and read it yourself.

That poster did not "call Bernie a sexist", however - and neither did HRC.

Seriously you guys are making Hillary look like the devil defending the indefensible.

... to someone who never made that statement to be "splitting hairs".

even if they didn't outright call you a man hater or something equally wrong?

... the difference between being taken as having "implied" something and a direct statement being attributed to you?

There is a difference between saying, "I take it from things Nance has said that she hates men," and saying, "Nance said that she hates men"?

Really? You see NO difference there?

Whether people think HRC "implied" something about BS and stating that she actually "said" something about him are two very different things.

Is it okay with you if someone who thinks BS "implied" that welfare recipients are lazy to then post an OP saying "BS called welfare recipients lazy"?

Think about it.

cowards imply what they really wish to say. The rest of us just say it.

He didn't come out and say it, but somehow people heard it. Later he laughed and said, "I never said he caused 9/11."

What on earth could we all have been thinking?

Peace to you, senz.

But if you say, "Welfare Recipients don't want to work and there are plenty of jobs for them." Do not be surprised and you would be inauthentic if someone later said you called welfare recipients lazy.

You are being too cute by half in denying that her statement was not a gender based jab at Bernie. Implication is part of language and is a form of communication. Denying the obvious implications of her statement just makes you look inauthentic. In fact, another person might think you were deliberately obsfuscating and making things up. (See I didnt call you a liar).

.....but I don't think she was ever a registered republican.

Even so, she also worked as a Washington, D.C., intern for Gerald Ford, who was then the Republican leader of the House, and she attended the 1968 Republican convention to work for New York Gov. Nelson Rockefeller’s unsuccessful effort to get the GOP presidential nomination (pages 34-35).

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/hillary-worked-for-goldwater/

HC was a dependent teenager at the time...her family, community, and teachers were Republican. She learned for herself...best way...and not only that, but being Republican back in the '60's was no where near the same thing as being Republican now. HC has evolved...her path keeps moving forward. We all have our paths. What is yours?

She either didn't know and was naively following or genuinely believed that.

Either way.

She was an idiot.

My path is this...

I support full equality of all Americans of all backgrounds and for all reasons. Full stop.

Hillary was a teenaged Goldwater Girl, following along with her republican father. She was never a registered republican herself.

I think you should retract this lie.

....was 21, so you just confirmed that she was NOT a "republican".

Here I'll help..

"Even so, she also worked as a Washington, D.C., intern for Gerald Ford, who was then the Republican leader of the House, and she attended the 1968 Republican convention to work for New York Gov. Nelson Rockefeller’s unsuccessful effort to get the GOP presidential nomination (pages 34-35)."


She was born in 1947... in 1968 she is 21 years old.

Next?

Unlike many, she moved beyond her parents' politics when she became an adult.

You should eat them, or make yourself some tea. Then get back to us.

I have 2 kids and a fairly demanding job. Now I just vape some liquid thc like a normal person.

I don't generally address this type of stuff, but I am interested if there's something I missed about shrooms! Back in the day this wasn't a concept I was privy to.

My curiosity has me wondering what I'm missing.

when she said that people think WOMEN shout
how can anyone not get this?

LOL

duh

If you have been told for the last 200 years or so in board meetings, in office meetings, in any company setting, to sit down and shut up or stop shouting, eventually you get tired of hearing it and you start fighting back. Any time any man implies that a woman is shouting too loud about something she feels passionate about, it ruffles feathers of women in general. Bernie could have put this to bed with a few simple statements of apologies to women. He didn't, his supporters have gone off the deep end all over the internet making sexist posts about Hillary and now Bernie is paying the price.

He said "all the shouting in the world"

Not... "all of your shouting."

I just... I don't even.

He spoke directly to her.

and telling her about all the shouting in the world.

Honestly, it looks to me that it can fit either narrative if you really want to bend it towards the sexist view. But truth be told, the man isn't sexist. His history shows that, his actions show that. Plus, it's one stretch to call it directed at Hillary, but an even further stretch to say it's sexist.

I get it, some men think that when a woman speaks up she's shouting or something? Women HAVE to shout to be heard. But that said, you have to look at the man. Are you saying it because Hillary said it? Are you saying it because he's the opponent? Do you truly believe that Bernie Sanders, entire history and record considered, is sexist?

And to add. "All the shouting" is also just a generic phrase as well.

it's what she said, and that was that some people think WOMEN shout

And, in agreement with the other poster, Clinton never actually came out and said Bernie is sexist.

But her surrogates are.

It is just sad and pathetic for bernie's campaign that many of his supporters are his own worst enemy.

classy
she said that some people think WOMEN shout when they are talking, in reference to Bernie saying that shouting won't help.
connecting the dots are easy here.
she implied that Bernie was sexist by his remark
and then to say that Bernie supporters are pathetic?
you should be ashamed of yourself
you sound like a republican

Bernie's supporters misbehave. They are sexist, they are racist, they are...fill in the blank.

The fact, for me at least, is the Bernie represents what this nation could be as opposed to what it is. I want the things he wants, and there's no way in heck that Clinton would ever have started talking about these kitchen table issues if Bernie were not in the race. We as a people have been dumbed down by the oligarchs systematically, propagandized to be rugged individualists, to worship at the altar of a peculiarly brutal and socially Darwinistic neoliberal model of less restrained capitalism, and it has created a living hell for many Americans.

Bernie wants to end that, and I am supporting him, along with millions of others. We want change. We want single payer healthcare. We want the payroll tax cap lifted from Social Security to strengthen our old age pensions. We want OUR tax dollars to pay for free tuition at state colleges and universities instead of forever wars that boost Halliburton's profits.

We are sick of health insurance and big pharma companies gouging us and watching people die for want of the money to pay for treatment.

We are tired of the corruption of capitalist dollars in our political system, tired of kids of color getting killed by cops for no reason. We are tired of big corporations like GE, Mattel, Paccar and Wells Fargo paying NO taxes and salting away over $2 trillion in UNTAXED profits offshore.

We are tired of getting lied to by corporations who tell us climate change is a lie while at the same time we're losing hundreds of species of animals to extinction per year.

We are tired of working hard, hard, harder, only to find we're going two steps back for every one forward. We are tired of union busting, economic insecurity, pension flattening and corporate greed. We are tired of trade deals that cost millions of US jobs - good jobs with benefits that you can raise a family on, only to see them replaced by low-pay, temporary service jobs with no benefits, brutal scheduling and a complete disregard for our welfare. We are sick of mealy-mouthed politicians selling away our Social Security and Medicare because 'we need to rein in entitlements...'

So, sorry. As terrible, awful, horrible as we are, we want the pendulum to tilt in OUR favor just once. Bernie's calling for a political revolution and many, many Americans are with him.

I wish you luck, and certainly you can support who you want and vote how you want. So will I.

Hillary has been using two keywords "woman" and "shouting" this started after the debate, she took Bernie's use of the word shouting and has tried to twist it into a subliminal misogynist attack.

Bernie of course was talking to Hillary when he used the word "shouting" but he was talking about the American People on both sides of the gun control issue.

In July Bernie used the words yelling and screaming to describe how the people need to overcome the vitriol to reach a common ground on this issue.

Thanks to all these men explaining sexism to her.

I sincerely believe Hillary KNOWS that Bernie wasn't attacking her specifically. I am disturbed that she & MSM have made this look like she was being attacked.

Oh crap, why should I even be surprised at ANYTHING anymore every single word or nuance is going to be hashed, hacked and tied up in knots and then we WONDER WHY people don't want to vote!

To each their own!

How do you know anyone's gender here?

Are you just assuming that all women are supporting Hillary in the primary? 75% of the volunteers I know that are actively campaigning for Bernie are all women of varying ages.

It's a topic that can't be raised often enough here on DU - apparently, given how many times it HAS been raised.

I'm sure that if it gets posted enough times, Hillary's numbers will drop like an anchor and her supporters will defect en masse.

I'm sure the ten thousandth time it gets posted will be the charm!

When they resort to blatant lies, they've hit Trump territory

I haven't seen it.

She told a joke, maybe tweaking him a little.

To state she called him a sexist both isn't correct, and IMHO saying that is a huge over-reach.

I think we need to get thicker skins, a lot of this seems like overreaction to me.

I know I am probably in the minority here, but I think getting all belligerent about this could backfire big time with potential Bernie voters.

JMHO

Because saying 'HRC called Bernie a Sexist' is not a true statement.

That being said I still believe belaboring this is not a great strategy, could really backfire w undecided potential Bernie supporters. especially women.

called Bernie sexist, that would've been dishonest but it would've also required more intestinal fortitude on Hillary's part than using a not so subliminal smear.

that he posted. By saying the article is true even if the headline is technically untrue.

I don't think he is saying any supporters are mimicking Fox News.

He is more saying that HRC is mimicking Fox News by implications and innuendo.

Peace to you.

... to where Hillary "called Bernie a sexist"?

No, I didn't think so - because it never happened.



How about: "Bernie Sanders Calls Hillary Clinton a Dumb Broad"?

Is that okay as an OP? - because that never happened either.

cases even more damaging.

The Republicans and FOX "News" have a made an art out if it.

But stating that Hillary Clinton called called Bernie Sanders a sexist is not an "implication". You put it out there as a statement she made - which is a lie, as she never "called" him a sexist.

intestinal fortitude on Hillary's part than using a not so subliminal smear.

... doesn't change the fact that your OP title is a lie.

What would take "intestinal fortitude" would be admitting your OP title is completely false, and editing it.

a difference.

I have no doubt President Obama would recognize this truth in the reams of not so subliminal racist commentary that has been hurled against him since the day he took office, if not before.

It attributes a statement to HRC that she never made. She never "called" BS a sexist.

But keep doubling-down on your "it was implied, so that's the same as a direct statement" nonsense.

of the article is true.

... Hillary Clinton Falsely Calls Bernie Sanders a Sexist, you are attributing a statement to her that she never made.

The "meaning" of her words/actions are a matter of interpretation. Attributing a statement to her that she never made is not about "what she meant" - it is attributing a statement to her that she never made.

According to your "logic", if I think BS "implied" something, I am free to post an OP saying that he actually stated it outright - because an actual quote and an inference I may have drawn are exactly the same - right?

Your OP title says what it says, that Hillary "called BS a sexist".

She didn't. We both know that.

And attempting to change the subject doesn't change that fact.

two questions from anybody on this thread yet.

It's totally relevant, you were stating there could be different interpretations of Hillary's language on this issue, but you can't come up with any.

... different interpretations of what anyone says. And I am really not interested in debating the point with you.

I'll say it yet again, despite your trying to change the subject: You attributed a statement to HRC that she never made. Hillary did not "call" Sanders a sexist.

And all the subject-changing in the world doesn't change the fact that your OP title is deliberately misleading by attributing a statement to someone that was NEVER made.

always be "different interpretations" of what someone says or implies, I was just asking for your objective opinion as to why Hillary brought the words "woman" and "shouting" into the gun issue; an argument that has no logical relation to gender.

I understand if you can't or don't want to give your opinion but it has nothing to do with the title of this article written by a long time Hillary supporter.

... has been about the title of your OP.

Apparently, that is a topic you continue to steadfastly avoid addressing or responding to.



When you have to change the subject, you have already lost the debate.

Hillary didn't literally state that Bernie was sexist but she is most definitely implying it with her language.

You either can't, but I believe you don't want to give your objective opinion as to why Hillary would bring gender into the gun issue, what do the words "woman" and "shouting" have to do with the gun control argument?

You also haven't spoken to or rebutted the substance of the article written by a long time Hillary supporter, all you have is the title and you're clinging to it like a lifeline.

... and they have been.

Obviously, you don't want to address it.

Saying that HRC "called BS a sexist" and saying, well, she "implied" that are two different things.

I am astounded that you can't differentiate between saying that someone stated something and saying someone implied something.

them differently, I'm asking your honest, objective opinion as to what you believe linking the words "woman" and "shouting" has to do with the gun issue, why did Hillary bring gender into the gun control argument?

If you have a good explanation I would be open to it, perhaps if your argument holds merit, it could put the matter of implying sexisim against Bernie to rest.

"shouting" in regards to the gun issue after Bernie was speaking to Hillary during the debate and stated that we shouldn't be shouting at each other if we want to reach a common ground on this contentious issue.

This was a not so subliminal misogynistic smear against Bernie and as I posted up-thread Bernie used the words "yelling and screaming" when interviewed by a man, in both cases; the interview in July and the debate Bernie was speaking about the American People regardless of gender.

Hillary only started using the keywords of "woman" and "shouting" in regards to the gun issue after the debate.

... to know that your OP title, "Hillary Clinton Falsely Calls Bernie Sanders a Sexist", is completely false.

You can take HRC to have "implied" whatever you want. But saying she "called" BS a sexist does not denote implication, but a direct statement - which she never made.

article is true.