2016 Postmortem
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Last time I looked, there were three OPs in GD with "Third Way" in the title. That got me curious. For the life of me, I don't think I've ever seen anyone who supports Hillary Clinton ever mention that organization. It only seems to get mentioned by her opponents. I've never visited the website of that group.
So, I went to the organization's website, just now, and navigated to a page that showed the leadership of Third Way. I didn't recognize a single name there, nor have I ever seen anything written by any of them posted here on DU. Maybe I'm just a political novice, and these people are somehow "movers and shakers" I've just somehow missed hearing about.
Go look for yourself:
http://www.thirdway.org/about#leadership
Anyone there whose opinion you care about? Not me. Looks to me like Third Way is just another website with opinions about politics. I think I'll form my own opinions. The leadership of Third Way doesn't impress me at all. I think I'll look at opinions from people I've heard of and who are leaders in their own right.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)MineralMan
(146,324 posts)In any case, I don't recognize any of them, either. I haven't seen any opinions from them in publications regarding the upcoming election.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Few people don't know the name.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Imo MM has political motivations, as do many HRC supporters on this board that are in alignment with third way's politics.
think
(11,641 posts)Third Way is a Washington, D.C.-based public policy think tank founded in 2005 by former staffers who worked in the Clinton administration.[1] The think tank develops policy ideas, conducts public opinion research and hosts issue briefings. The organization has four policy divisions: Economics, National Security, Clean Energy, and Social Policy & Politics. Third Way develops and advocates for policies that it says represent the "vital center".[2]
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History
Third Way was founded in 2005 by Jonathan Cowan, Matt Bennett,[5] Jim Kessler,[6] and Nancy Hale[7] in the wake of the 2004 election as a policy, messaging and strategy "idea center" and think tank. The organization was dedicated to understanding the wants, needs and expectations of self-described Moderate left leaning Americans, who comprise 44% of the voting public.[citation needed].
https://goo.gl/XwRBsU
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Cowan
http://www.thirdway.org/about/leadership/matt-bennett
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)impact on anything. If they did, I'd have seen stuff they put out. I don't, so I simply discount their influence.
Again, I have never seen a Clinton supporter refer to or quote anyone from that organization. I only see people talking about it as a somehow evil, influential group. I'm not seeing that influence out there at all.
think
(11,641 posts)~Snip~
The DLC hailed President Bill Clinton as proof of the viability of Third Way politicians and as a DLC success story.
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The DLC has become unpopular within many progressive and liberal political circles such as the organizations Center for American Progress, Democracy for America, and the blogs Daily Kos and MyDD.
Some critics claim the strategy of triangulation between the political left and right to gain broad appeal is fundamentally flawed. In the long run, so opponents say, this strategy has resulted in concession after concession to the opposition and promotion of a neoliberal economic agenda favorable to corporations and entrepreneurs, including those seeking to privatize public services, while alienating traditionally-allied voters and working-class people.
Other critics cite that the low turnout of organized labor in the 1994 election after Bill Clinton signed the North American Free Trade Agreement into law resulted in the Republican Party gaining a majority in the 1994 House of Representatives elections and 1994 Senate elections that would last for twelve years until 2006.
Author and Columnist David Sirota has strongly criticized the DLC, whom he claims have sold out to corporate interests. In 1980, the Democratic National Committee (DNC) founded the Democratic Business Council to compete with the Republican National Committee for donations from businesses and corporations. Sirota has also argued that the term "centrist" is a misnomer in that these politicians are out of touch with public opinion. Sirota's article "The Democrats' Da Vinci Code" argues that truly progressive politicians are more successful in so-called "red states" than the mainstream media have previously reported.[16]
Others contend that the DLC's distaste for what they refer to as "economic class warfare" has allowed the language of populism to be monopolized by the right-wing. Many argue that the Democrats' abandonment of populism to the right-wing, shifting the form of that populism from the economic realm to the "culture wars", has been critical for Republican dominance of Middle America. (See, for instance, Thomas Frank's What's the Matter with Kansas?.)
Still other critics believe the DLC has essentially become an influential corporate and right-wing implant in the Democratic party. Marshall Wittmann, a former senior fellow at the DLC, former legislative director for the Christian Coalition, and former communications director for Republican senator John McCain, and Will Marshall, a vocal supporter of the war in Iraq, are among those associated with the DLC who have right-wing credentials.
Finally, detractors of the DLC note that the DLC has received funding from the right-wing Bradley Foundation as well as from oil companies, military contractors, and various Fortune 500 companies. However, the DNC proper has also benefited from funding by corporations like these via the Democratic Business Council.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council#Criticism
DanTex
(20,709 posts)couldn't care less about what anyone at Third Way says.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Like it or not, they have ties to the Clintons. Maybe Hillary is truly moving away from them. Maybe not. Maybe she's distancing herself publicly for political purposes.
Some of her rhetoric and positions seem quite close.
If you think they're correct, that's fine. IF you hink Hillary should follow their "advice" okay. Agree with them.
But it;s not unimportant.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Forget the role of Wall St. and Big Corporations in government
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Here's a little primer....Connections to Obama and Clinton. There;s more if yo care to pull your head out of the sand
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2014/10/06/struggle-for-soul-democratic-party-pits-wall-street-backed-think-tank-against-elizabeth-warren/pYk3SXRnZDmpi7C7N4ZpXN/story.html
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)Not once. I think it's just a bogeyman.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)MineralMan
(146,324 posts)Nobody I've ever heard of or heard from in that group.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Go Vols
(5,902 posts)tecelote
(5,122 posts)Edited to add:
"Third Way, backed by Wall Street titans, corporate money, and congressional allies, is publicly warning against divisive soak-the-rich politics voiced by populist Democrats."
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)They are just a bogeyman. So is the DLC which disbanded several years ago.
The right employs such bogeyman (like ACORN) to scare people. It's sad to see some on the left do the same thing.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)You know better, but you choose to obfuscate. If they were uninfluential and unconected, their warning would not have been mentioned in the news media.
And did you ever hear of Mr Daley?
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)The Third-Way Is The Remade DLC.
The DLC was chaired by none other that Bill Clinton Before he became president.
HRC has been a prominent member of the DLC as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council
Segami
(14,923 posts)Philippe Reines, a longtime Clinton adviser and spokesman, will address the group organized by Third Way, a moderate think tank, at a meeting in Washington on Friday.
-Reines is expected to detail what the Republican attacks on Benghazi will be as a House Select Committee gets going and how to best to refute them, according to a source with knowledge of the matter.
"Some of us don't track these issues all the time," according to the source. "He [Reines] is somebody who can tell people how to understand this, why it is a big deal right now and what is the particular attack. A lot of people, they just don't follow it day to day. He had to live it at the time."
When asked for comment, Reines referred CNN to Third Way.
The source at Third Way, however, cautioned against characterizing the event as a cabal of Clinton supporters and advisers. Instead, the source said it is a meeting of Democratic leaders on national security issues, some of who are close to Clinton.
- So Third Way organized a meeting of Democratic leaders to sit down regularly to talk about national security communication and "brainstorm about how to respond to various Republican attacks."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/05/28/clinton-supporters-meeting-to-talk-benghazi-national-security/
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)It is their economic policy that doesn't agree with progressives.
Partisan politics separates us all.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Give the liberals their social issues, just let us keep running things, including fuking up the biggest social safety nets
Bingo!.......best explanation in one sentence.....
Dismantling the 'social safety nets', or as they say 'entitlements' is the Holy Grail Prize for them.
think
(11,641 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)I don't agree with their economic policies. I see no problem working with them when our interests coincide.
Everything is not economic policy.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)It's about which candidates get elected who represent the Third Way views.
By all means vote for Hillary, if you think the social issues are more important than the fundamental economic policies they support -- and if you are comfortable with a candidate that shares their economic views.
Personally I prefer a candidate who is progressive on social and economic issues.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)I am going to vote for a lot of people between the primary and general election. They will range from progressive through liberal and back to the center.
The conflict between progressives and the third way is just something that divides us and make good governance more difficult.
The President is only our Representative in the executive branch. One litmus test is not going to fit al candidates.
over the past few years I've seen Partisan conflict between right and left, and partisan conflicts between different parts of the left. All the lead to is a government that doesn't work.
randys1
(16,286 posts)all admit this, work for our candidate, Bernie or HIllary, and then when all the shouting is over
support who is left standing
no pun, oh wait, pun intended
BAZINGA
jeff47
(26,549 posts)You should stop insulting us by pretending to be.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)Conclusions drawn about me are owned by those drawing those conclusions. I remain unconcerned about that, and will continue to post as I choose. Thanks for the reply.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)And in this OP, you want us to believe someone who has spent decades working on GOTV operations and otherwise engaged in Democratic politics has no clue who Third Way is.
It's utterly insulting that you believe that is believable.
You used to be a respectable poster. I'm sorry you decided to abandon that persona.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)assumes multiple personas and posts very frequently. Maybe it's the screen name that starts with the same letter that is confusing you.
I have one persona. Yes, I work on GOTV and other election issues, but at the local level, primarily. I've never encountered anyone connected with the Third Way in any of that work. When it comes to presidential elections, I'm more of an observer than a participant. I have one vote, just like everyone else. In my precinct canvassing I promote whoever is the Democratic candidate for President. My focus, however, is on legislative offices as I talk to voters. That's what really affects them.
Third Way is completely off my radar, and only comes up in posts on DU complaining about that organization. I've yet to encounter any influence it might have on anyone. It's just another advocacy group among many - probably the least influential one on voters that I know of.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)And from those posts we can draw a logical conclusion.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I can't recall seeing or hearing this organization mentioned elsewhere on the web, on the radio or on TV.
It appears to be a generic tag used to denigrate certain Democrats that post on DU.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)which closed down years ago.
Third Way appears to be a minor think tank group, really. It's funny that it gets so much attention here from opponents to certain candidates. Any port in a storm, I guess.
think
(11,641 posts)The DLC hailed President Bill Clinton as proof of the viability of Third Way politicians and as a DLC success story.
The Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) was a non-profit 501(c)(4) corporation[1] founded in 1985 that, upon its formation, argued the United States Democratic Party should shift away from the leftward turn it took in the late 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s. The DLC hailed President Bill Clinton as proof of the viability of Third Way politicians and as a DLC success story.
The DLC's affiliated think tank is the Progressive Policy Institute. Democrats who adhere to the DLC's philosophy often call themselves New Democrats. This term is also used by other groups who have similar views on where the party should go in the future, like NDN[2] and Third Way.[3]
On February 7, 2011, Politico reported that the DLC would dissolve, and would do so as early as the following week.[4] On July 5 of that year, DLC founder Al From announced in a statement on the organization's website that the historical records of the DLC have been purchased by the Clinton Foundation.[5] The DLC's last chairman was former Representative Harold Ford of Tennessee, and its vice chair was Senator Thomas R. Carper of Delaware. Its CEO was Bruce Reed.
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Chairs
Rep. Dick Gephardt of Missouri (19851986)
Gov. Chuck Robb of Virginia (19861988)
Sen. Sam Nunn of Georgia (19881990)
Gov. Bill Clinton of Arkansas (19901991)
Sen. John Breaux of Louisiana (19911993)
Rep. Dave McCurdy of Oklahoma (19931995)
Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut (19952001)
Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana (20012005)
Gov. Tom Vilsack of Iowa (20052007)
Fmr. Rep. Harold Ford of Tennessee (20072011)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Or boogie man you know?
Can't be that the American people respect and admire Hillary.
This shadow group is behind the scenes manipulating our minds.....or something
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)That's some major face for a minor group of any sort. Why all that big prestige on loan to a group that's just a DU phenomenon? Why are so many Senators co-chairs of a figment of DU's collective imagination?
treestar
(82,383 posts)And it probably has taken on meaning that has nothing to do with the actual organization.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)MineralMan
(146,324 posts)I didn't say that. Maybe you're quoting yourself, but I have no idea.
Still, thanks for kicking my thread.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)you have no idea
pinebox
(5,761 posts)MineralMan
(146,324 posts)I know half a dozen people who have donated the maximum to her campaign, just like those folks. You would not recognize their names.
I'd donate that amount, too, but I simply don't have it. See, I'm a Hillary supporter. Lots of people are, and the list of $2700 donors will be very, very long, indeed. Democrats who can do so donate to the candidate of their choice. No news there.
If I could donate that amount, and did, I'd get to say hello to the candidate and shake her hand. I doubt she'd pay any more attention to me than she does now, however. It's just not that much money.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)People donate to who they support, as you said, correct?
Don't you find it a bit ironic that the leaders of Third Way are donating to Hillary and not Bernie or O'Malley? Why would that be do you think? Because they side with her. Right? Right. Just as you do (which I personally don't understand)
HuffPo even has a section titled "Third Way Democrats" which has news stories associated with such politicians. One shuch politician is Hillary. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/third-way-democrats/
Third Way itself writes about Hillary a great deal http://perspectives.thirdway.org/?tag=hillary-clinton
Check this http://perspectives.thirdway.org/?p=2919
And here you go http://bluemassgroup.com/2013/12/hillary-clinton-is-a-third-way-adherent/
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)to Hillary's campaign. Yes, they support her, but so do many, many more people, some of whom can donate $2700. She also has many, many supporters who cant donate a penny. She's over 50% in voter support now, according to the polls.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)They probably support the candidate they contribute to.
Segami
(14,923 posts)He's toying with everyone......
think
(11,641 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)They are not about to let Bernie win if they can stop it. Money power, they have it. Just a few men and women telling us what to do.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)I could refer to "the KKK wing of the Republican Party" without being able to name a specific Kleagle who held a party office. It would mean that some Republicans have a marked degree of affinity for the views of the Klan.
That kind of use is appropriate here. Traditional Democrats saw themselves as being opposed to Republicans -- as pushing through things like Medicare over Republican opposition. Third Way obviously takes its name from the contrary idea that, instead of pursuing progressive goals in opposition to conservatives, Democrats should look for some other position that's neither progressive nor conservative. It applies to any Democrat who espouses "triangulation" and who seeks to "bring people from right, left, red, blue, and get them into a nice warm purple space...." -- which is Hillary Clinton's view.
djean111
(14,255 posts)the Third Way - giant giant fail. Seriously. Giant fail. Does not matter in the least if you, personally, do not see the relationship.
And the Third Way advises the DINOs already in Congress - the New Democrat Coalition. These people will happily trade away the safety net and jobs whilst waving social issues around to distract. I will never cast a vote for any of them.
These are the people, by the way, who used the Wall Street Journal to whine that Elizabeth Warren has gotten "out of hand".
aidbo
(2,328 posts)The term was first used by political consultant Dick Morris while working on the re-election campaign of President Clinton in 1996. Morris urged Clinton to adopt a set of policies that were different from the traditional policies of the Democratic Party in order to co-opt the opposition.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Two sections of Co-Chairs, a Board, a 'Team' and the Leadership you listed are all under that same heading. Jane Harman? Evan Bayh? You don't know these people? Seriously? I thought you wrote web content, you should be able to work their site, although I admit it is byzantine and very, very Aryan in nature...
http://www.thirdway.org/about#co-chairs
http://www.thirdway.org/about#emeritus-co-chairs
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Cool story Bro.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Heidi Heitcamp? James Clyburn? How can that be?