feel better?

It looked like fun

I think when you gather together all these polls that show Hillary in front with endorsements you get a much clearer picture of how far ahead she really is.

You would never know it by looking at DU once in a while.

You might even think Bernie was winning!

Hillary will have to settle for everything else.

writing posts that are insinuating dirty actions about Bernie that are completely false?

And when you say "everything else", it is everything else! Hillary ROCKS.

for a populous that has been brainwashed for the last fifty years.

The allegory of the cave has at least one of it's elements of fitting in, the one of being outside the cave, that one kind of goes on that 'it's gets lonely knowing the truth while so many others don't'. So many others have also bought into the idea of believing the lies and thinking it would be better that way for ones own security. And this for the such a simple idea that if they do, then at least their lives will be able to go forward and not have to be stuck in the mire. Of course that is all just part of the brainwash and the big lie.

Some of them have promised, here on Democratic Underground, that they won't vote for Hillary Clinton when she wins from Sanders, but will, instead, write-in his name (yeah, that's clever - forgetting, of course, that if he can't win the primaries, he's definitely not going anywhere in the G.E.) or they'll vote for a "never-going-anywhere" candidate like Jill Stein, which doesn't help this country move forward, i.e., progress. That's why I doubt their "progressive" bona fides.

But there are definitely plenty of anti-Hillary Clinton people here, just as there are plenty of anti-Obama people here for the last 6+ years. The majority supporting Sanders today are almost all Obama critics, by the way.

If being anti-Leader-of-the-Democratic-Party, anti-Democratic-Party, and anti-ALL-Democrats makes one a "progressive" in your book, then yes, you can say there are more progressives at Democratic Underground than anywhere else.

an occasional poll that showed the number of Progressives vastly outnumbered the number
of Moderate Democrats from the way they answered the polls. Only then I became sure.

The majority of folks on DU are committed to him, but the reality is that Hillary Clinton is clearly the overwhelming leader at this time for the party's nomination. Bernie has very few backers in congress and only minimal endorsement so far by the unions. His most important contribution is that he has forced the plight of the working class to be addressed not only by Democrats, but (gasp) Republicans. Wealth inequality has become a major issue primarily due to his efforts. This is his strength and has forced Clinton to address the issue and make it a major issue.

I believer that a major issue is foreign policy. I read Hillary's book "Hard Choices" and would encourage everyone to at least become acquainted even though it is not the most exciting read. The scope of her knowledge to the world situation is very evident and most importantly her in depth working with literally hundreds of world leaders is a crucial asset that can not be casually discounted in a world as beset with major clashes between cultures.

But he's not presidential material.

From my p.o.v., Sanders doesn't appear to seriously want to be president. It appears as if he just wants a national platform to get his message out.

Watching his campaign, it appears as if Sanders is running as a candidate for a seat in the U.S. House, not as a presidential candidate for the White House. He hasn't made any inroads garnering support from congressional Democrats - or Republicans, for that matter - and he's running on policies that he knows - or should know - a president can never make happen because those policies will need support in Congress in order to materialize. And we all know Sanders has few, if any, supporters in Congress.

Sanders has been in Congress for 25 years. He knows the deal. He knows what it takes to run for president. He's seen so many presidential campaigns. So why isn't he running one? That's why I was initially baffled by his stump speeches,. They're stump speeches that over-promise and what a candidate for Congress would run on, not a serious presidential candidate.

The key issue in most campaigns is getting voters comfortable with you being the CIC. I do see Sanders as a CIC

Although he knows it's unpopular among his constituents to support military action in order to protect the American people, he will most certainly do the right thing. He has. Continuously.

So we agree on that.

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… widespread joy, glee, delight, celebration, enthusiasm, motivation, euphoria, happiness, smiles, grins, laughter and more celebration. (But the work is not over yet. There are still many more miles and many more months to go before the real celebration begins.)

We'll pretty much see who the Democratic Party nominee will be by then. So by my calculations, that would make it - unofficially - four months.

On the other hand, the primaries don't end until June next year, which is still only eight months away. The celebrations can then begin officially! Because by then, the primary winner will get the all-important endorsement from President Obama and he and Biden will go out and campaign hard for the Democratic Party nominees for president, the Senate, and U.S. Reps.

Feb. 1, 2016, and end on June 14 with Iowa. It's a long, dragged-out affair.

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I was afraid we would stop killing people but, no. The beat goes on.

“We live in a difficult and dangerous world, and there are no easy or magical solutions. As President and Commander-in-Chief, I will defend this nation, its people, and America’s vital strategic interests, but I will do it responsibly. America must defend freedom at home and abroad, but we must seek diplomatic solutions before resorting to military action. While force must always be an option, war must be a last resort, not the first option." - Bernie Sanders

The hope is that we can make this anti-war stance a priority.

I respect Hillary in many ways but this is one huge issue for me.

And from all his promises in his stump speech, there is one promise that he, these days as President and Commander in Chief, can make happen without approval by Congress: war. (Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that according to the Constitution, only Congress can officially declare war, but we all know how that's works in the real world).

He's slightly less hawkish today than Hillary Clinton has been in the past, but he's not anti-war. The quote in your post (post #11) says as much. So if you're against Hillary Clinton because of her "hawkishness" (which I don't like, either) and it's the prime reason for voting for Bernie Sanders, you'll need to know how he really thinks about war.
For an overall picture on Sanders' hawkish position, have a look at his history when it comes to major conflict abroad.

From a Left and anti-war news outlet: http://www.mintpressnews.com/bernie-sanders-voting-record-antithetical-to-his-purported-anti-war-stance/208066/

There are plenty of links within the article that expose Sanders hawkish stances. Judging from their posts, I'm not certain many of his supporters knows about this.

So that's why I support Hillary Clinton for president. Yes, she's slightly more hawkish than Sanders, but there isn't much difference, really. On the other hand, she has the support, the connections, and the political experience to get Congress to help her on domestic policy, and to actually get things done, unlike Bernie Sanders.

Bernie is no longer superman, but now the proverbial lesser of 2 evils?

Heck, he hasn't even been elected president yet to start the disappointment.

They are progressive drones!

as we go into yet another country. Still don't think Hillary's meet a war she didn't like. But I know you won't agree so have a lovely day!

Can you extrapolate and provide a definition of "Bernies drones"?

Thank you.

manufactured by Lockheed Martin (who also make the useless F-35) that Sanders says he will continue to use to kill people in wars.

Could you provide a link, please?

never occurred. A few of the posters here are behaving more and more like these Neocons.
When did Sanders have anything whatsoever to do with drone killings that would have
merited the term "Bernie's drones?" This is beginning to escalate into the insulting area.

Let us Democrats avoid degenerating into this kind of behavior.

I just felt that needed to be said.

Anyway...

Sanders has voted for the drone program. He supports the drone program. He vows not to end the drone program.

From a site that criticizes the Democratic Party from the Left, Mint Press News:

she should win the Primaries.

to college. And you have to have war so the 1% can get better dividends for their stock. Because when they benefit enough they will hire people and the 99% will get good paying jobs.

the helmets are only $400,000 a piece, Lockheed Martin is happy to get the votes.

Which means if it carries 6 missiles, and there happen to be 7 enemy aircraft, you just wasted a billion fucking dollars.

No pilot in their right mind would fly that thing into combat as an air to air interceptor.
No President in their right mind would ORDER them to.

And for as much as they cost, each one should come with a free casket, courtesy of Lockheed Martin.

Try again.

We Gotta Get Out Of This Place, maybe '67 - '68, for some reason I feel good about traveling back in time. Could be because of Bernie, could be I feel like so many songs from way back then could mimic what seems to be happening now. So many years have passed and some Eras fell by the wayside doing ABSOLUTELY nothing but pushing "power & greed!" Leaving "we the people" so far behind. Even those who stood up and protested the wrongs of back then have sold out and seem to have forgotten.

I lived in Texas back during the Civil Rights Movement, saw it up close and personal... repeat "up close and personal" and remember many names of those on the front lines of the movement. They spoke up loud and worked hard to turn things around and many are still alive and here with us today. They get mentioned as heroes from back then and now, but NOW they HAVE power in their hands and I wonder how much they've forgotten.

I'm a white woman who stood along with them long ago, I stand with BLM now because IMO they have decided to fight back once again. For many years I've told my family and friends that I felt the Democratic Black Caucus have been among the loudest voices out of Congress for the people where so many whites looked away.

As of now neither Hillary or Bernie are strong voices for them, but given time my bet is on Bernie even if it's not enough for them or us. But when Hillary got interrupted during her speech in Atlanta I saw and heard something I will NEVER forget! It also showed me something I NEVER thought I would see and I've been unable to get it out of my mind. AND IT HURTS and I feel betrayed!

A man who I've respected since way back then came forward to "speak or silence" the group. His name was John Lewis! John Lewis along with the others who were beacons back then felt the need to tamp down their voices so as to not embarrass HILLARY at that point in time!

Whatever your opinion is about whether BLM is doing what it needs to do in a manner that is most acceptable, THEY believe in their cause!

I've gone from your comments about war into this, but it's ALL connected in the threads of the past as I see it.

No CLEARER picture have I seen yet as to how complete THIS Democratic Party is willing to go to SHUT Bernie out. It's so crystal clear! MORE will follow and IT STINKS! Nicest word I can use.

So, Yeah... MORE WAR! Rah, Rah, Rah! Buffalo Springfield also had a song that I referenced way back during the Invasion of Iraq called "Eve Of Destruction, For What It's Worth '67!" Have we learned any lessons?

Thanks for posting, yes lots more work to do and I am ready.

Great show, my second WSP concert.

influence polls.
The methodology of current "professional" pollsters is a "product" that only large amounts of money can buy.
Fortunately we have an emerging social media barometer that tells a more accurate story.

President Rmoney huge rally

This post might be more substantive than a fart in the wind at the summit of Mount Everest.

Sadly; she isn't, and it isn't.

Justin Beiber can fill a stadium too--no one voted him PM of Canada!

At the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, a FLEA MARKET fills the stadium one Sunday every month.

Flea Market for President!

Sarcasm is sarcasm. Snark is not humor. I suspect you know that.

I once got a hide for comparing St. Bernard the pure to that 2nd candidate you listed.

Bernie is not this guy...

Bernie puts the needs of us common folk above the desires of the 1%

It is not, however, going to be from the Oval Office.

He probably also won't choose a chief of staff who calls liberals retards and dirty hippies.

Look at my signature

Bernie supporters look beyond political definitions, self described or otherwise, that are prone to change through the decades and focus on the issues and solutions presented and the track record of said candidate. Laughable that any of you Hillarians have the gall to criticize on the basis of a candidate that changes their definitions on issues depending on the zeitgeist of the time.

whatever that is. I'm a liberal democrat. Something Bernie has held in contempt most of his life.

But never the less should Bernie somehow win the democratic nomination I will most definitely vote for him.

Something many Bernie fans promise they will never do if Hillary wins.

And it will work out great, just like it did for President Romney.

Silly, childish crap in my opinion.

but I hope we can all try harder.

is doing great things for all of us. There are many things that need to be discussed. I like O'Malley too. I hate no one.

The Bernie folks were not easy to take. This OP is the same crap going the other way.

Completely useless info posted to spitball the Bernie people.

The gloating is getting a bit OTT.
But I guess some people have to have a hobby.

Have we learned nothing from the clown car party?

At the end, Bernie will secure the nomination, not Clinton.

When it gets down to issues, Bernie wins it all hands down.

Badda Bing!

So good....

Just asking. It was about a week ago Bernie was 5% behind...what gives here?

Says the folks who value Facebook likes over scientific polling.

How'd that work in Canada a few weeks ago?

It worked out pretty well, obviously, then.

Internet polls are ridiculous, but scientific polls of any kind are hard to come by.

The Greek elections and referendums had polls that were well off the mark. Jeremy Corbyn etc.

A bit too late for polling, too....

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/10/19/john-oliver-stephen-harper-video_n_8330378.html

and it's showing Hillary is crushing other Dems in the field. Sorry some can't handle facts.

Actual issue discussion isn't in their wheelhouse, it's all deflection and stinkbait.

but time is growing short as well.

These days, I mostly read DU for entertainment. Hard to take the sniping from both sides seriously, and for how people fixate on every single poll and endorsement ... people, it's only (almost) November!

It doesn't but on the plus side it does give Hillary supporters something to keep them occupied so I will K/R it for that reason.

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...Hillary could've left Bill many years ago because of his white house shenanigans, but she chose to hang w him to be The Prez someday. Hillary is all about herself and not the people she's supposed to represent.

I'm a union person and it's beyond me how she gets any endorsement from ANY union!! Could it be that the so called union leaders be paid off under the tables? This is a high chance because their constituents want Bernie.....what in the Hell is going on?????!!!!!

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and plenty of RW Clinton constructs.

Your theory re unions might make sense if only one or two endorsed her, but with so many? Do you really think that many would keep such a damaging secret? It doesn't make any sense.

You gotta be kidding. No one really knows what happens between married couples except them.

.....Under the table.

But you missed the point. The constituents of each union do not like her at all, so ....

WHAT GIVES ??!!