2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCan a person honestly support the war on drugs
and racial justice?
I think that is not possible as the war on drugs is inextricably linked to racial injustice.
Sander's position on both issues is consistent. Clinton continues to support both the war on drugs and racial justice and cannot honestly support both.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Sanders voted for the omnibus crime bill so he is not completly consistent. It included manditory minimums. Was a cause of mass incarceration...
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Do we have any public statements on why the Senator voted for it? Was it a balance of good vs. bad? The answer may be found below in other comments.
Cheers.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)To get the protection for women against violence. I am merely pointing out that repeating that bernie has always stood up for blacks on principle is a touchy subject. He is a politician. He made a compromise. Nobody is perfect.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)If he voted the other way he'd be accused of being against women (which might fit well the current narrative). I don't pretend to say the bill was good for blacks, but the fact that politicians are forced to make up or down votes on collections of laws is a big problem that this exposes. I don't know that I would even characterize the vote as a compromise either way. It's just a sucky situation all around, but especially for black people unfortunately.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)"Millions of lives have been destroyed because people are in jail for nonviolent crimes. For decades, we have been engaged in a failed War on Drugs with racially-biased mandatory minimums that punish people of color unfairly. It is an obscenity that we stigmatize so many young Americans with a criminal record for smoking marijuana, but not one major Wall Street executive has been prosecuted for causing the near collapse of our entire economy. This must change."
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)"All over the industrialized world now, countries are saying, let us put an end to state murder, let us stop capital punishment," Sanders said in a 1991 speech on the House floor. "But here what were talking about is more and more capital punishment."
The bill, which included provisions to authorize the death penalty as appropriate punishment for crimes involving the murder of a law enforcement officer, terrorism and drug trafficking, never reached the desk of President George H.W. Bush.
In 1994, however, Sanders voted in favor of the final version of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, a bill that expanded the federal death penalty. Sanders had voted for an amendment to the bill that would have replaced all federal death sentences with life in prison. Even though the amendment failed, Sanders still voted for the larger crime bill.
A spokesman for Sanders said he voted for the bill "because it included the Violence Against Women Act and the ban on certain assault weapons."
Sanders reiterated his opposition to capital punishment in 2015. "I just dont think the state itself, whether its the state government or federal government, should be in the business of killing people," he said on a radio show.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/02/viral-image/where-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-stand-/
Bernie Sanders in 1991 on crime, punishment and poverty:
Bernie has indeed been consistent.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I'm deeply troubled.
So many of my brother and sister POC falsely imprisoned by the WOD...And Clinton is supportive for the death penalty?
That vastly sentences so many POC to death?
K&R
Hydra
(14,459 posts)And I don't think anyone can credibly say that where we are now is a good place. It's just that some are profiting off of it and others are scared that someone else may get more cookies than them if we change things...both of which are pretty childish reasons to keep hurting people.
jomin41
(559 posts)It has done immeasurable damage to our society and country. It has made every problem related to drugs much worse. This is not a new observation. The ugly reality of the WOD has been very obvious for 30 years to many, many people. How is it that HRC didn't get the message? Really. I want to know how someone who wants to be President, who claims to be well-informed, can support this absolutely unredeemable policy.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)obviously I meant in the real world as we know it.