Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:58 PM Oct 2015

Can a person honestly support the war on drugs

and racial justice?

I think that is not possible as the war on drugs is inextricably linked to racial injustice.

Sander's position on both issues is consistent. Clinton continues to support both the war on drugs and racial justice and cannot honestly support both.

12 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Can a person honestly support the war on drugs (Original Post) Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 OP
This I can agree with, but.. bravenak Oct 2015 #1
By definition an omnibus bill has many individual laws JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #7
We do know why. bravenak Nov 2015 #8
He had to vote one way or another JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #10
bernie on the war on drugs vs Wall St nashville_brook Oct 2015 #2
Since someone brought up the crime bill I'll have to correct the record. Again. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #3
Agreed. Combined with Clintons atrocious war hawk foreign policy? riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #4
It's just more of the same Hydra Oct 2015 #5
The war on drugs is a fraud. jomin41 Oct 2015 #6
No Fumesucker Nov 2015 #9
In bizarro world? Sure. nt raouldukelives Nov 2015 #11
yeah somebody else tried that gambit with me for the death penalty Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #12
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
1. This I can agree with, but..
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:05 PM
Oct 2015

Sanders voted for the omnibus crime bill so he is not completly consistent. It included manditory minimums. Was a cause of mass incarceration...

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
7. By definition an omnibus bill has many individual laws
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 04:51 AM
Nov 2015

Do we have any public statements on why the Senator voted for it? Was it a balance of good vs. bad? The answer may be found below in other comments.

Cheers.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
8. We do know why.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 05:52 AM
Nov 2015

To get the protection for women against violence. I am merely pointing out that repeating that bernie has always stood up for blacks on principle is a touchy subject. He is a politician. He made a compromise. Nobody is perfect.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
10. He had to vote one way or another
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 06:32 AM
Nov 2015

If he voted the other way he'd be accused of being against women (which might fit well the current narrative). I don't pretend to say the bill was good for blacks, but the fact that politicians are forced to make up or down votes on collections of laws is a big problem that this exposes. I don't know that I would even characterize the vote as a compromise either way. It's just a sucky situation all around, but especially for black people unfortunately.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
2. bernie on the war on drugs vs Wall St
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:13 PM
Oct 2015

"Millions of lives have been destroyed because people are in jail for nonviolent crimes. For decades, we have been engaged in a failed “War on Drugs” with racially-biased mandatory minimums that punish people of color unfairly. It is an obscenity that we stigmatize so many young Americans with a criminal record for smoking marijuana, but not one major Wall Street executive has been prosecuted for causing the near collapse of our entire economy. This must change."

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
3. Since someone brought up the crime bill I'll have to correct the record. Again.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:24 PM
Oct 2015
Sanders opposed the Violent Crime Prevention Act of 1991 during his first year in the U.S. House of Representatives.

"All over the industrialized world now, countries are saying, ‘let us put an end to state murder, let us stop capital punishment’," Sanders said in a 1991 speech on the House floor. "But here what we’re talking about is more and more capital punishment."

The bill, which included provisions to authorize the death penalty as appropriate punishment for crimes involving the murder of a law enforcement officer, terrorism and drug trafficking, never reached the desk of President George H.W. Bush.

In 1994, however, Sanders voted in favor of the final version of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, a bill that expanded the federal death penalty. Sanders had voted for an amendment to the bill that would have replaced all federal death sentences with life in prison. Even though the amendment failed, Sanders still voted for the larger crime bill.

A spokesman for Sanders said he voted for the bill "because it included the Violence Against Women Act and the ban on certain assault weapons."

Sanders reiterated his opposition to capital punishment in 2015. "I just don’t think the state itself, whether it’s the state government or federal government, should be in the business of killing people," he said on a radio show.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/02/viral-image/where-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-stand-/




Bernie Sanders in 1991 on crime, punishment and poverty:




Bernie has indeed been consistent.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
4. Agreed. Combined with Clintons atrocious war hawk foreign policy?
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:33 PM
Oct 2015

I'm deeply troubled.

So many of my brother and sister POC falsely imprisoned by the WOD...And Clinton is supportive for the death penalty?

That vastly sentences so many POC to death?



K&R

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
5. It's just more of the same
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:43 PM
Oct 2015

And I don't think anyone can credibly say that where we are now is a good place. It's just that some are profiting off of it and others are scared that someone else may get more cookies than them if we change things...both of which are pretty childish reasons to keep hurting people.

jomin41

(559 posts)
6. The war on drugs is a fraud.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:52 PM
Oct 2015

It has done immeasurable damage to our society and country. It has made every problem related to drugs much worse. This is not a new observation. The ugly reality of the WOD has been very obvious for 30 years to many, many people. How is it that HRC didn't get the message? Really. I want to know how someone who wants to be President, who claims to be well-informed, can support this absolutely unredeemable policy.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
12. yeah somebody else tried that gambit with me for the death penalty
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 08:13 AM
Nov 2015

obviously I meant in the real world as we know it.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Can a person honestly sup...