But I don't recall Obama telling people I'm an outsider because I'm black or vote for because of my skin color. If he did God only know what kind of field day his haters would of had. Go ahead flame away folks.

stating facts. Your candidate decided to go that route I did not force anyone to say those things.

part it is what it is.

right?

voted for Obama twice over voting for Jill Stein. I will not vote for another self described Moderate Republican again.

She was once a moderate republican, although I'm not sure there are many of those left in either party, at least on issues that matter to Wall Street.

republican is incorrect but then also is stretching Sanders into a Democrat.

is because people now see through and past labels. The internet has helped tremendously with that. Because of that, I think in my lifetime we will have candidates able to run as atheists and get elected President.

liberal, the Republicans would love to have a candidate with Clinton's experience but this is not the one. Many mislabel Clinton, does not make this change. A lot on the far right claim many who are not as far left as they are as being republican, I question whether they are Democrats.

Progress. Lets keep it going.

Translation: I will passively assist the Republicans with regaining the White House and resultant right to name Supreme Court justices.

because one of her merits is that she is a woman.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/23/politics/hillary-clinton-gender-merits/

"Clearly, I'm not asking people to vote for me simply because I'm a woman. I'm asking people to vote for me on the merits," Clinton said.

Then she directly addressed gender, adding: "I think one of the merits is I am a woman. And I can bring those views and perspectives to the White House."

Clinton is far less reluctant to discuss her history-making bid to become the first woman president during her 2016 campaign than she was in her 2008 bid for the Democratic nomination.

She highlighted her gender during her campaign's first rally in New York City this spring, saying: "I may not be the youngest candidate in this race, but I'll be the youngest woman president in the history of the United States."

Nothing here says she wants people to vote for her because she is a woman. And yes, if Obama had said that his perspective as a person of color in this country was a merit, I would agree. Heck, if Bernie said his upbringing or experience or whatever was a merit, I'd agree with that too.

She's talking out of both sides of her mouth, as usual.

But she did say that one of her merits was that she is a woman. She's using her gender, loud and clear...while saying she isn't really. Typical Hillary obfuscation but you don't even have to read through the lines on this one.

and I'll actually read what it says. thanks.

And one of her listed merits is her gender? Mark me down as confused.

I know Hillary is unable to say yes or no, but that applies to her supporter also?

She doesn't like to answer questions with either yes or no, you're going to have to decode her responses.


Unless......it doesn't matter what she says?

Look at this inkblot and tell me what you see...

to not give a straight answer?


I can agree on one thing about your candidate, her answers do read like light fiction.


Shouldn't you use the rule of holes now.

Hillary, however, tells people to vote for her because she is a woman.

You threaten the chance at a real change if you Ignore the puppetmasters pulling her strings.

that men, who have been running the country, have not been able to address. It is time to put a women in the White house. We need to get stuff done.

and do the exact opposite for Hillary. It appears that you do not want to know the truth.

You shut your ears, eyes as you scream from the rooftops half/truths with superficial conclusions.

and her proclivity for war.
And, you may have noticed, war is not the only thing I object to about Hillary. Neither my support for Bernie, nor my not supporting Hillary, are based on only one issue. I am not a purist.

but there and across the spectrum of issues, he's long been on the right side of things and therefore less objectionable.

If either camp has been "superficial" or guilty of glossing over the objectionable, it would be the Hillarians. They've been downright stupidly hilarious in the methods and means they've used to avoid what is rightly objectionable about her.

need a list?

Bernie's view is one Americans can be proud of.

“We live in a difficult and dangerous world, and there are no easy or magical solutions. As President and Commander-in-Chief, I will defend this nation, its people, and America’s vital strategic interests, but I will do it responsibly. America must defend freedom at home and abroad, but we must seek diplomatic solutions before resorting to military action. While force must always be an option, war must be a last resort, not the first option."

It's time we stop the killing.

I'd love to see Hillary flip-flop on this one.

front runner, just because she is a woman? How ridiculous for this statement to be made. I want the most qualified candidate. It would be like saying one only wants the best qualified man.

There are all kinds of women who would be a good president and it would be good for the country if women had more political power at the top. But I never have considered voting for HRC. It started with her IWR vote. No one who supported that invasion is qualified to be president, imo.

All this flaming over gender/sexism is a distraction from what we should be talking about.

Bernie, Hillary, and Martin are all good on gender issues.
Attacking each other on that score casts us all in a bad light.

She will be a fine Liberal Democratic President to the left of President Obama

Http://www.ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm

Even Hillary says she is more of a moderate Centrist. Although, I gotta say, that is only in the last few weeks. Maybe she will say something else next week!

Sorry

Context my dear....among Democrats

Just proved thier point and made you look foolish..its all the rage these days....funny how often its been happening the last month or so....

So I am sorry you think saying bye makes you feel you proved yours...

anything good. There is just no point to participating in the usual inane thread-jacking.

My candidate is winning....question is....what are you telling yourself these days?

I have Nate Silver making my point for me......

I'd say that the person that jumped in just to falsely claim my graphic was invalid is the actual Threadjacker....wouldn't you?

Pot meet kettle

Nate Silver seems to 5hink so too

And yes, your statement was ridiculous

"One of the merits is I am a woman."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/23/politics/hillary-clinton-gender-merits/

Sorry, Hillary, this woman is voting for Bernie. I don't vote based on gender.

Bernie fans here think that's the only reason we support HRC, despite the list of reasons I've given above. Hillary is supremely qualified, Bernie can't even explain socialism.

You made an unsubstantiated claim against "Bernie supporters" (and I am a Bernie supporter, and I've never said or thought such a thing, so what you said is not even true), chastising them for thinking you only support Hillary because she's a woman, while at the same time you're fine with Hillary herself using her gender.

You're trying to deflect, and change the subject to Hillary being "supremely qualified." Where did I say she wasn't? But what does her being qualified have to to with her being a woman? No, I'm using her own words, words that prove she herself uses her gender to get ahead, and if she is so qualified, why does she need to use her gender?

So to me that just makes your accusation against "Bernie supporters" ring very hollow.

Exaggerating only undermines your point.

As for why you think Hillary being a woman as an asset, since she won't even give a straight answer on Social Security, her concern for women's status seems very lacking to me.

And HRC has been talking about expanding SS specifically for women.

A category that singles out poor and single women.

Funny, but as a poor, single woman I don't feel reassured in the slightest, I only feel that she's pandering and doesn't mean a word she says since she's so vague on Social Security. It comes across as if she's hiding her real intent.

But don't let facts interfere with your personal feelies.

And my feelies are based on her own very recent words, which are oddly vague. Funny but neither Benie nor Martin O'Malley have a problem being straightforward on the subject. You'd think that Hillary with her much vaunted concern for women, would have a clear policy on how to do it. But she is ambiguous and uncertain.

No policy papers released, stumbled at debate, can't even explain socialism to an audience, hasn't released a Wall Street policy paper. Whatever.

Bernie has been very clear on it. He supports lifting the cap. Hillary won't give a straight answer. He filed the Social Security Expansion act last March. What was Hillary's position on that? If she cares about truly protecting Social Security and not just using weasel words, she should have one.

Bernie's position on Wall St. is clear as day and consistent. It's comical anyone would question it. Expecting to see a new meme soon.

Oh, and Bernie did very well at the debate. He even helped cover for your candidate.

That a long way from "the only reason" as some have claimed.

Or are you saying it should be?

Because that would be sexist, wouldn't it?

If two highly qualified applicants are being considered for a position, and the decision is made on the basis of promoting diversity, is that sexist?

I honestly don't know.

think is on my side. And that is not Hillary.

not even the Clinton Monster that lurks under the voting booth.

How does a woman use her gender to disadvantage someone? She is already disadvantaged just on that basis.

This is just ludicrous nonsense in the face of the oppressive history of women in this country and the WORLD.

mouth on this.

POTUS, but I would have voted for the Democrat in any case.

The main reason I believe most people are supporting her is that she is probably the most qualified, most prepared, most ready-on-day-one candidate ever to run for the Office of President.

SHE is supremely qualified.

The Benghazi hearings reminded her how qualified and knowledgeable and experienced and tough Hillary is and has now decided to support her. The main goal is to win next November and Hillary is our best horse.

Because you are writing up your own material, claiming it is a quote and then arguing with it like Clint Eastwood with his empty chair.

Paraphrasing: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=749155

and you said you had TONS of examples. Now it is a paraphrase of one post? Not the same.

I just want to say that in this thread there is a Hillary supporter who once said on DU that gay people 'have plenty of rights already'. Another I have seen this morning told us all that 'gay marriage is unthinkable to me, the Bible does speak negatively about homosexuality'.

Would it be right for me to judge you or other Hillary supporters by those very nasty and very real attacks by persons who claim to be Hillary supporters? No. But that's what you are doing to others, so you need to listen to this: I could make endless links to nasty comments like those I cite. I will link to both of those now if you want, I'm trying to spare their authors. All day, 'you people want a fabulous pink pony' and 'your so called rights, just poutrage'. All day, dozens of such quotes.

It's not a game you want me to play, but I will if I must. Denigration and bigotry, clearly stated by people who are now 'Hillary supporters'.

Personally, I count bigots as bigots, their excuses such as ' I do this for my candidate' I do not accept, I don't blame Obama for a bigoted 'Obama supporter' who told me on DU LGBT voters were no longer wanted by the Party. I blame the bigot who said it. Want a link, I got links.

I'm trying to spare people the rehash. We have that Hillary supporter who used to be on Free Republic saying 'gays should not be allowed around children' and making all of those racist comments about 'stereotypical black Obama voters'. He's doing big Hillary support now. Should I judge you by his history? Should we remind the world who it is that is 'supporting'?

Problem is, "Af-Americans only voted for Obama because of race!" was - and appears to still be - the core argument from clinton supporters about why Barack Obama won the nomination.

Not Clinton Supporters..... .....perhaps hanging out in such places is not so good for the mind ....I hear you lose brain cells per second there.....

It was a mess, and I envy you for having avoided it in total.

HRC is doing better now than she did then....

which is the only reason she's a real contender as a woman. If her qualifications did not outstrip every male in the race by at least triple, she would not even be a contender because she is a woman.

Even be considered. Meanwhile, George W. Bush elected twice.

and epitomizes that old "you can't teach an oild dog..." adage, while she's had to take dramamine daily to fix her vertigo as a weathervane.

I am supporting Hillary Clinton for a number of reasons including the belief that it is time for our first female president. I also like her positions and I really love her positions on voting rights The fact that Hillary Clinton is a woman is not the only reason that I am voting for her

Please vote for a peacemaker - Bernie or Martin

Or, if Hillary supporters would send her a strong message and change her mind... but I don't see it. It's just not discussed. These deaths are justified somehow?

I would hope the first female President would bring peace.

and really don't want to give the war and peace thing the weight it rightly has in terms of loss of human life and misery of those "others", nor the price it carries in terms of avoiding all that where our "own" are concerned.

Hillary -- we can afford more war, but single-payer -- not so much....

If two candidates with very similar positions on the issues were running and one was a woman, I would vote for the woman because of this. It's long overdue. However, the only woman who could run that is close to Bernie's positions on the issues is Elizabeth Warren, and unfortunately she's not running.

She's been in politics most of her life. She had a advanced college education, passed the bar, been a lawyer, been First Lady of Arkansas, First Lady of The United States, a Senator and Secretary of State. She has had more opportunities than 99.99% of us, and has been honored and adored more times than a Hollywood movie star. So, one would hope that she has actually learned something from all this.

So, why did she vote for the war in Iraq?

Why did she support trade deals that resulted in millions of jobs being outsourced?

How come she initially found those fake videos against Planned Parenthood by this rabid anti-abortion group "disturbing", and said it needed to be looked into?

TIA