2016 Postmortem
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(30,058 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Provide a list or he's accomplished nothing.
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MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
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Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)as your contribution to the political discourse, because I'm having a real hard time seeing anything other than hamfisted trolling.
840high
(17,196 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)LOL, you don't know how often I feel like saying that.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)Is that what you're saying? Because that's the most solipsistic thing I've read in a long time.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Even after I provided links to prove otherwise.
It's best to walk away, some people have their own version of reality.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)best ignored.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)know, so I know the answer.
Sanders has an incredible record in terms of getting shit down in Congress btw.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)money for community healthcare centers
got the federal reserve audited
got more money for veterans for the va and got the va to pay for private care if wait times were too long
jfern
(5,204 posts)2014 VA overhaul
10 million more people covered by community health centers in ObamaCare
Rated a top 20 mayor nationwide
Got more amendments passed during the Republican controlled House 1995-2006 than any other Representative
Amended Patriot Act to require a warrant for library and bookstore records
Got Audit the Fed passed.
And more here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251605502
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128063921
It's clear that you put time and effort into compiling these lists. Bernie doesn't brag enough, and it's good to have itemized proof to combat the lies.
Thanks again, jfern!
think
(11,641 posts)of how Bernie Sanders has worked across the isle to make things happen.
demwing
(16,916 posts)I dug up the link to the Intercept article mentioned in the video:
https://theintercept.com/2015/07/06/gop-senators-support-sanders-obamacare-expansion/
Thanks for posting
TexasBushwhacker
(20,205 posts)Bernie is willing to work with the Republicans, but more importantly, they are willing to work with him. I don't understand why the GOP hates Hillary SO MUCH, but they do. Maybe it's because she's a woman, or maybe it's because she's Bill's wife and they really hate him, but they HATE her. I think if she got elected, we would see the same gridlock we've seen with Obama and we simply can't afford that.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Work with a Democratic Socialist?
Surely you jest?
TexasBushwhacker
(20,205 posts)They already have worked with him.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Because truthiness is sciency.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)sorry is not going to happen....
Its not even the Republicans yet (like they ever will have to) hammering it home that he IS a Socialist!
Persondem
(1,936 posts)Sanders tends to gather cosponsors only on one side of the aisle. 9% of Sanderss 69 bills and resolutions had both a Democratic cosponsor and a Republican cosponsor in the 113th Congress.
compared to...
Senate Cmte. Chairs/RkMembs
2nd lowest out of 35 8
Serving 10+ Years
3rd lowest out of 49 8
All Senators
6th lowest out of 90 5
Only Members of Congress who sponsored more than 10 bills and resolutions are included in this statistic.
Link here.
So when it comes to working across the aisle, no, Sanders does NOT get shit done.
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DamnYankeeInHouston
(1,365 posts)The people's media is kick ass this year.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)what experience or qualifications or accomplishments does he have nationwide or worldwide?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)A person's character and abilities are basically a template regardless of the scale.
As Mayor, he walked into a situaiton where a lot of people were against him as a radical ideologue and non-republican. He proved them wrong.
He pursued a pragmatic progressive agenda, that was also smart enough in practical terms that he actually won over a lot of grudging admiration from Republicans. Among other things, he made the local government work more efficiently in boring ways like the structure of public works departments, etc.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)and all the national and global issues and responsibilities that go along with that. Hillary on the other hand is no doubt ready.. probably the most qualified candidate ever to run for President.
BTW, I did not watch the vid... don't really have time at the moment. Whatever he has done beyond the borders of Vermont certainly hasn't reached many people which suggests that he has not done much.
DianeK
(975 posts)at least you are able to admit that you make important decisions without informing yourself..not many would admit such a thing...but if you ever do find yourself with 6 minutes to spare..it is worth a watch
DCBob
(24,689 posts)then I think that candidate is clearly not ready.
willful ignorance
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DCBob
(24,689 posts)It obvious to most.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)... It takes an insular point of reference from someone who finds a "great view" out of their tiny little spaceship window from inside Washington, D.C.
The weather is here, wish you were wonderful
99Forever
(14,524 posts)But it does take a genius to have a completely uninformed opinion.
Yessir, you are certainly one of those.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)As or Hillary's qualifications.....Well, let's just say I haven't seen the evidence that she's so qualified either. She's certainly an amazingly accomplished person, but not necessarily in the ways that would qualify one to be an effective president, and at times the opposite.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Perhaps you could tell us who are in doubt of her leadership qualifications, what your reasons are. Please note that just because she was Secretary of State, a US Senator, and First Lady, does not mean that she has the qualifications. Obama did not have these "qualifications," and he did very well in the election.
Thanks in advance.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Bernie Sanders has served in the U.S. legislative branch since 1991.
So you can drop the "Vermont based scale" nonsense.
It's as if you know nothing whatsoever about Sen. Sanders.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)zappaman
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demwing
(16,916 posts)Don't invest in their ritual, because truth isn't their goal, obfuscation is.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Why watch the video or learn the facts when you can make up your own?
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Welcome to DU's open minds... We follow up and we do not forget why.
askew
(1,464 posts)No other candidate running has done even 1/4 of the things O'Malley has. His list of progressive accomplishments is unmatched.
demwing
(16,916 posts)It's too bad that the media can't remember his candidacy.
Koinos
(2,792 posts)They just want a boxing match between two candidates.
It is all about entertainment, not education. Of course, without an informed electorate, democracy is impossible.
askew
(1,464 posts)candidates. It's completely frustrating.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Seriously. I'm clearly for Bernie, but it would be great to get another Dem really out there in the public mileu that doesn't turn so many people off like Clinton does.
Koinos
(2,792 posts)His campaign can't afford national campaign TV ads, and the media regard this as a two-person contest. So his name recognition is suppressed.
His campaign is working tirelessly in Iowa and New Hampshire, however.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)askew
(1,464 posts)boost his low name recognition. Sanders and Hillary both had higher name recognition and a national following. He is going to have to grind out this nomination in Iowa and hope he does better than expected to keep him in the race.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)Thanks for the thread, kenn3d.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)DianeK
(975 posts)Persondem
(1,936 posts)See post #53.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033?q=%7B"bill-status"%3A"law"%7D
I'm a progressive, but Im a progressive who likes to get things done, Hillary Clinton said at the first Democratic debate, in response to a question from moderator Anderson Cooper about whether she defines herself as a moderate or a progressive.
The implication was that progressive Bernie Sanders is too far to the left to accomplish anythingall of his ideas are pie-in-the-sky. You have to be able to find the bipartisan, warm, purple space as Clinton said earlier this year, to get anything done. Slates Jamelle Bouie was super-impressed by this rationale, saying Clinton has skilled use of bureaucratic power.
The problem with this narrative is that it is completely false. Not only has Sanders gotten a lot more things done than Clinton did in her own short legislative career, hes actually one of the most effective members of Congress, passing bills, both big and small, that have reshaped American policy on key issues like poverty, the environment and health care.
The Amendment King
Congress is not known to be a progressive institution lately, to say the least. Over the past few decades, the House of Representatives was only controlled by the Democrats from 2007 to 2010, and a flood of corporate money has quieted the once-powerful progressive movement that passed legislation moving the country forward between the New Deal era and the Great Society. Yet, as difficult as it may be to believe, a socialist from Vermont is one of its most accomplished members.
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As if things didnt look bad enough, in 1994 the Republicans swept into power in the House of Representatives, dashing the hopes of many that Congress could do anything progressive whatsoever. But Sanders was not content with tilting at windmills. He didnt want to just take a stand, he wanted to pass legislation that improved the United States of America. He found his vehicle in legislative amendments.
Amendments in the House of Representatives are often seen as secondary vehicles to legislation that individual members sponsor, but they are an important way to move resources and build bipartisan coalitions to change the direction of the law. Despite the fact that the most right-wing Republicans in a generation controlled the House of Representatives between 1994 and 2006, the member who passed the most amendments during that time was not a right-winger like Bob Barr or John Boehner. The amendment king was, instead, Bernie Sanders.
https://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/bernie-sanders-record-of-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you/
Nice try, you get a cookie for truthiness!
Persondem
(1,936 posts)Sanders is at the bottom of the rankings for sponsoring bipartisan legislation which you actually confirm with "...Bernie sponsored 3..."
Yeah, 3 is pretty minimal.
Co-sponsorships only means "support"; it doesn't take any work, or compromise to CO-sponsor a bill.
Without specifics, "Amendment King" means nothing as far as bipartisanship goes. It just means he got a lot of amendments passed.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)So he does get shit done, iow.
Thanks for proving my point!
Persondem
(1,936 posts)Amendments in and of themselves don't have anything to do with working across the aisle.
When it comes to Sanders working with the GOP, the facts are not on your side. Just leave it alone.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Love your dedication to getting the truthiness out there, willful ignorance can't be easy.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)No matter how many times you say it ....
# of amendments does NOT equal bipartisanship.
Obtuse much?
Persondem
(1,936 posts)He was involved with about 90 amendments ... the staggering average of a whole 7 per year and over half of them were voted down or otherwise didn't go anywhere.
So that leaves him with about 3-4 successful amendments per year. I guess you, like the article writers, figured no one would ever dig enough to find out the TRUTH.
Link here.
Facts Bern don't they?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Keep moving those goalposts!
Persondem
(1,936 posts)3-4 successful amendments a year is not "getting shit done" (That was 90 amendments in 13 years ... or did you miss that bit?)
Please knock off the foolish internet lingo ... it doesn't score you any points and just makes you look more ..... obtuse.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Keep fragging the progressive Senator from Vermont, your dedication to swift boating his record is impressive I must say.
It's almost like going to freerepublic.
polly7
(20,582 posts)you.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)First it was "Bernie never gets anything done!"
That was proven wrong.
Then it was "he can't work with Democrats!"
We proved that was wrong.
Then "he can't work with Republicans!"
And again they were wrong.
Now it's "so what if he gets things done with Democrats and Republicans, it's still not good enough!!!"
polly7
(20,582 posts)Eventually all they're going to be left with is the stuff they're too afraid to mention from over there to bring over.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Oh I forgot- he couldn't get that done
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Maybe you can explain how a US Senator is supposed to pass legislation at the state level.
Don't you ever get tired of embarrassing yourself?
seaglass
(8,173 posts)cares and has some influence:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/us/politics/ted-kennedy-helped-shape-mitt-romneys-career-and-still-haunts-it.html?_r=0
Years earlier, the senator had negotiated a deal with the federal government that waived certain rules, giving Massachusetts flexibility in administering its Medicaid program and extra money for hospitals that cared for the poor. But the waiver was set to expire, and President George W. Bushs administration wanted to cut off the money, depriving the state of $385 million a year.
As a Republican governor, Mr. Romney could have made his case by himself to the Republican administration in Washington. But Mr. Kennedy had pull in Washington and was close to Tommy G. Thompson, the health and human services secretary under Mr. Bush. The senators involvement gave Mr. Romney political cover, said John McDonough, a professor of public health at Harvard who ran a health care advocacy group at the time
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But with Democrats in control of the state legislature, Mr. Romney had little hope of passing a bill on his own. Mr. Kennedy worked lawmakers behind the scenes, writing notes, cajoling, making telephone calls and stepping in when negotiations between House and Senate Democrats broke down.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The post asked:
Oh I forgot- he couldn't get that done
Start by doing the research here:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/01/25/costs-derail-vermont-single-payer-health-plan/VTAEZFGpWvTen0QFahW0pO/story.html
And let me know what a US Senator could have done to bring single payer to Vermont.
You're not brooklyn bad boy are you?
seaglass
(8,173 posts)"Another person who doesn't understand how the government works.
Maybe you can explain how a US Senator is supposed to pass legislation at the state level.
Don't you ever get tired of embarrassing yourself? "
Just admit you were wrong and stop being so demeaning to other posters.
Are you accusing me of having another account?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)That's all you had to say, thanks! As a native Vermonter I always welcome any new insight into how things could have been done differently.
And bbb is a poster at Daily kos who blames Bernie for not passing single payer healthcare in Vermont.
His diary has been posted here by HC supporters who don't understand how government works either.
Every time someone posts the same claims I wonder if it's him.
seaglass
(8,173 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)seaglass
(8,173 posts)You demeaned another poster by saying that s/he doesn't know how government works because for some reason you think that a US Senator cannot use influence or other means to get legislation passed at a state level.
The example provided showed exactly how it has been done.
I am not making a statement about whether Bernie could or could not do something about this particular legislation. I am objecting to a general statement that you made that is not true.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Anyone who actually believes Bernie could have gotten it passed has no clue how government works.
I'm sick of the snide comments and attacks on Bernie, this is GDP if you come here to pick a fight you're going to find one.
Maybe they should stick to posting positive things about their candidate instead of making nasty comments about Bernie in what was supposed to be a positive thread.
I stay out of positive Hillary threads out of respect, if others can't do the same for Bernie then they deserve whatever they get.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)It's a state dominated by one party and they usually get what they want. It's naive to think otherwise. I always enjoy how some Bernie supporters respond by making nasty personal attacks when they only claim to be talking about issues.
Guess you won't try that one again.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Now if he had one bill passed Lim the minimum wage, I would have thought differently. If there was a bill similar to Dodd-Frank which was Sanders-something or something-Sanders I would believe he got sh*t done. He sponsored lots of bills this year but still not as many in 8 years of Clinton and he has been there 24 years. It I a problem believing he can get sh*t done.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)2014 VA overhaul
10 million more people covered by community health centers in ObamaCare
Rated a top 20 mayor nationwide
Got more amendments passed during the Republican controlled House 1995-2006 than any other Representative
Amended Patriot Act to require a warrant for library and bookstore records
Got Audit the Fed passed.
And more here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251605502
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128063921
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)He saved thousands of lives with those clinics in contrast to all the lives lost in Iraq.
senz
(11,945 posts)He works hard, compromises when necessary, and always advances good causes.
He'd make a great president.