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Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

Ad buys seem to be all the media cares about when it comes to politics.

That was a great ad!

Though I really want Warren in the Senate. We need her there

Go Bernie!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

just kind of giant blobs of mindless human protoplasm that can be influenced one way or another? You do know that this has long been used as a derogatory term by many who feel they are superior to "the common people," aka "the masses," "the great unwashed," "the boobousie," etc?

Just saying. You may refer to me as a person, or citizen will do nicely also.

Not good enough, Bernie!

Lucky me with no TV.

Thank you.

but came up short.

Still, an interesting story about her mother's upbringing that led to her own...give the ad a solid B.

I would have liked it more had it had broader inclusion, but that doesn't detract too much from it.
Good ad.

who had a very tough upbringing, thus your 'shot' comes off as cheap and petty, but the "Dorothy" comment might be confused with another reference.

In any event, it's mean spirited.

Cool trick including that other reference even though my reference was clear. Obviously you'll try anything.

smh.

Maybe wasn't the most sensitive post, but damn... your hate of Sanders is DEEP. Unhinged deep.

I think some of his SUPPORTERS really suck, though.

Using family like you did? CHEAP SHOT. Dispicable.

*cough*bullshit*cough*

So take your *cough*bullshit*cough* and put it in an appropriate location.

Some people aren't Team Sports fanbooys about this process of choosing a nominee. You might try it sometime.

You've really showed your true colors in this exchange--pat yourself on the back, because you are EXACTLY the type of supporter that Sanders does not need and is trying to shed. You denigrate, and you alienate. Every time he loses a poll point, you go on and take a good look in the mirror and tell yourself "Ah helped."

Snarking about a woman's dead mother was probably the low water mark for you -- thus far.

Why do I feel you're capable of still more?

Believe me, your duplicitous bullshit tactics and preachy indignation, does Hillary no favors.

There's no shortage of double standards, and mud slinging, and not-so-subtle slights from either camp.
Let us at least be adult enough to be honest about that.

I also think both candidates have much to add to the conversation in terms of issues and proposed solutions.

I think one candidate is better prepared--by leaps and bounds--for the job, but if lightning struck and Sanders were nominated, I'd vote for him and hope for the best.

He's been my 2nd choice, but frankly, the behavior of just a few of his supporters is troubling to me. They might not be the majority, but their footprint of aggression and negativity is quite large, and it does resonate--not in a good way, either. It's not him, it's his associates. They're bullying, many of them. They pull him down. I'm sure you can find a few on the other side who exhibit the same behavior, but since most of them have been driven off, the bulk of those remaining here are for the VT Senator.

Then again, this is DU. That's probably the bright spot. We're not known for picking winners, so whoever is ahead in a DU poll is probably going home at the end of this evolution.

There are lots of strong opinions with plenty of reasons and logic supporting those reasons. In the end, we'll all vote what we think is for the best. With any luck, regardless of who gets chosen, there will be very little in the way of gloating, and an earnest effort by all sides to patch up the community. At least, that's what I would hope for.

No one with an ounce of heart would mock Clinton's mother. The commenter was referring to political ads that strive to elicit sympathy for the candidate by airing the the suffering of their relatives. In the "Dorothy" case, it also attempted to establish the candidate's humanity.

Just think of the pathos Bernie could generate if he wanted to exploit his grandparents' extermination in Nazi Germany. It is to his credit that he doesn't.

You know I respect your intelligence, MADem. Surely you could have figured that out.

that asshole Hitler and his old man barely escaped, and how poor they were? Do you think that's "using" too?

Here--this is just a few weeks ago--is this "exploiting?" Hmmmm? Still "respecting my intellilgence" are you? Because it doesn't take a genius to go to YT and pull this up--most people have seen some version of this--MORE THAN ONCE, too.

I lost a lot of relatives...but guess that is too exploitive to discuss with you. Your post shocked me...cruel and uncaring and not what I would expect from a long-time DUer.

smh.

after all?

You might want to check with one of your fellow instigators in this conversation to see how that kind of thing works.

Well said.

Read above. This was just because one of your side decided to make THEIR point that Hillary's using her family is.. hmm, how did they put it? Oh "The commenter was referring to political ads that strive to elicit sympathy for the candidate by airing the the suffering of their relatives. In the "Dorothy" case, it also attempted to establish the candidate's humanity."

So, yes, the call out was made by your side. If you all don't want us to throw your candidate using his family tragedy and struggles out there, then quit being hypocrites and using veiled insults against ours showing where she comes from.. especially after so many on your side continually comment about the actual Democratic Front-runners personality being 'wooden" "rehearsed" and "inhumane".

There was nothing insulting, just pointing out that Bernie does discuss his background and family after Hillary was insulted for showing her family background.

But apparently, it is only EXPLOITATION when Clinton does it.

And if you mention that Sanders did it, why, you're a cheerleader for Hitler.

Or something.

even when it was their own side that called out for it.

Thank you for your comments, above.

That was callous.

People DO want to know about the personal lives of the candidates. That was my point.

Why is it "OK" to drag "Dorothy" through the mud, then hold up Bernie's family with a (gee, turns out to be totally FALSE) claim that HE would never "use" his family backstory in a campaign?

Then,, when with two clicks, I can find him "using" (that particular "using" word came from the SANDERS acolytes MOCKING Dorothy--but hey man--it was a JOKE....look upthread, gee, they were only KIDDING...) his very story, I get swarmed by BMUS and Company, misconstruing what I actually said and meant.

This is why DU sucks. This very subthread.

It's only OK to mock Dorothy. It's only OK to say that if HRC mentions her mother, she is "using" her--but if Sanders mentions HIS family, why, that's all heartfelt and meaningful. And if you DARE say anything about it, why, that means you approve of Hitler, by golly!

smh.

Point out that the other side does the same thing, and it's wrist on forehead, oh-the-palpitations, I-am-so-offended.

Sorry--NOT buying it. And the attempt by a DUer to selectively EDIT my post to play gotcha? That tells me all I need to know about that person--and none of it is recommending in the slightest.

and making personal attacks on BMUS is clearly going to convince me that it was not callous.

I can't control other DUers, and what they do, MADem, but I can control my reaction to them. Just like I am controlling my reaction to this lashing out.

and then play an "outrage" game when it is pointed out that Sanders shared his family story, too, I can't help you. I honestly don't think you or anyone with a shred of decency would feel OK about that, but apparently there are people on this board who can completely overlook context and play a faux outrage game, replete with "selective editing."

I think that people like to hear about the candidates' families and pasts. It's a big part of the whole show.

I don't think it's craven to do it. I think it is useful.

I do think it's craven to mock it when HRC does it, and then get all outraged when it's pointed out that she's not the only one.

I also think that mocking Dorothy--and that IS what lit this subthread off--then trying to claim it was a "joke," and then manufacturing faux outrage AND clipping a heavily EDITED version of a post, is some of the most dispicable shit I've seen happen here in a long damn time.

And I'm not "lashing out." I am not at all annoyed with you--I am simply explaining my position and I am speaking very plainly. I don't like being painted with anti-semitism by inference, and that IS what "certain DUers" are trying to do with their "WOW" posts.

and I am the downfall of humanity.

You're clearly not taking my point, not sure why. I don't know why- I thought you'd listen with an open mind.

I didn't mean "you" personally. Look upthread--this whole load of shit (and that is what it is) started out with an overzealous Sanders fan mocking Clinton's ad about her mother and holding up Sanders as "better" because he'd never do such a thing. Then, when I pointed out that he DID do such a thing, I got swarmed and twisted by BMUS et. al. BMUS even went so far as to selectively edit one of my posts and try to play a "gotcha" game with it.

But this is DU3, I guess. Lord of the Flies.

This site has become nothing but a place to hurl frustrated comments stirred up by those that have no intention of being a part of anything good. *I do not include you among the shit stirrers, you just have strong opinions - as do I.

I know you have been a great member here, and I'd like to think I have, too.

The shit-slinging, however, has gotten so far out of hand I don't know how anybody can rein it in.

You most certainly are an honored member of the Strong Opinions club but you don't shit on people--you argue the issue and you don't go to personal insult, and that is appreciated.

I don't even think moderators could help this place at this point in time--every day it gets worse and worse, "helped" along by a steady stream of newcomers who seem to know their way around the board better than people who have been here for years.

I can't wait until Super Tuesday. Hopefully we'll have some sort of clarity by then.

I don't give a shit about Dorothy or for that matter, Sanders' family.
What are their policies regarding income inequality, healthcare, controlling the banks, controlling the polluters, etc, etc.
I prefer Sanders, thank you very much -
you can take your indignation and shove it.

I think both candidates have great backstories that American voters can listen to and say "Hey, I have something in common with that person."

People LIKE to hear this stuff. They want to know about their early lives, what influenced them, and how they came to be the person they are today. Family histories inform in this manner.

Looks a lot like thread jacking when you count the number and tone of your comments. Thanks for sharing your opinion.

swear fealty or play the "Me Too" game. That's what protected groups are for.

You don't own GD-P. If you please, stop acting like you do. Thanks in advance.

in this country. You're indignation comes from a perceived insult to your preferred candidate? got it.

People LIKE to hear this stuff. They want to know about their early lives, what influenced them, and how they came to be the person they are today. Family histories inform in this manner.

Both my parents lost their families during world war 2 (spouses, children, parents, uncles, aunts) and found each other in a
displaced persons camp in Italy. They came to America, land of opportunity (not). I have 2 sons with Autism.
did you LIKE that? Do you give a shit?
so- take your indignation and shove it deeper
I don't have to be classy. I'm not running for anything.

of a 'shit' than I do after hearing your brief account. I will say that your personal circumstances probably go a long way towards explaining why you lash out at me so readily and bitterly, and for that I will make allowances. See how that works?

That said, you work hard to NOT endear yourself with comments like take your indignation and shove it deeper ...and FWIW, one doesn't have to be "indignant" to point out blatant hypocrisy.

I hope you find better opportunities -- and medical advances for your children -- in future.

probably not with Sanders either, but he's a hell of a lot better.

I can see where the misinterpretation is happening. It's in how MADem is pointing out the word "using".
In context, MADem is pointing to someone else's concept of "using" rather than espousing a personal view.

I think this is where the offense is coming from. Comment 126 really shouldn't be viewed as offensive. Contentious perhaps, but not offensive. I say this as a Bernie supporter.

I'm going to record it in case you decide to delete later:

I've re-read it a few times as well, and can't believe the absolute hatred in it. Phew.

I guess she was exploiting what happened to her too.

I'm sort of at a loss for words. That post was *that* vile -- Palinesque, Coulterish vile. I'm going to watch Bernie's uplifting ad a few more times to try to get that toxicity out of my head. Cute kittens. Babies. Something.

All the best to you and your family!

they need to be reminded of what they said about a candidate whose father's family was wiped out by the Holocaust and struggled with poverty here in America.

A man who has dedicated his career to helping lift others out of the same conditions.

I feel like I need to shower after reading it.

Maybe I'll go for a walk.

My best to you and yours as well.

mischaracterized--as you just did.

I'm so glad you did it, though. The veil is lifted and we see you for what you are.

It lets everyone see just what you're made of.

The arc of this thread:

Dorothy? Object of derision. Clinton is "using" her mother.

And Sanders would NEVER use HIS family!

Oh, but wait--here he is, doing just that--telling us, like Clinton did, about his family.

But hey--don't DARE point that out, because otherwise you'll be accused of cheering for Hitler.

And of course, mocking Dorothy?? That was a "joke" man. Just a "joke."

There's no "hatred" for Sanders -- he's the good guy. Poor fellow has supporters who could stand to climb a few rungs up on the ladder of decency, though.

about decency. Re-read your post up-thread and look in a fucking mirror.

I like Clinton's "Dorothy" ad. I don't know much about her mother, but she seemed like a wonderful human being who endured a lot of hardship. One observation though is that Hillary seems too coached and ready-for-primetime, even when talking about a person near and dear to her. No one is mocking Dorothy. Calm down. Lose the hostility. Jesus.

But by making light of Bernie's family history and the Holocaust MADem sank to an even lower level.

And that is on them, they have to live with it.

They went there - and there's no coming back.

on any post s/he disagrees with. You really gotta wonder what drives that.

Yes, they did indeed go there.

The Dorothy ad was effective, and she seemed like an admirable woman. I still prefer Sanders' rolled-up shirt sleeves and wild hair to the perfectly coiffed and coached Hillary.

Usually I avoid that kind of poster but I just had to speak up after what they did in this thread.

It should have been a positive feel good thread and look what they turned it into.

Ugh.

and your tendency to POUNCE on anyone you disagree with. Up-thread you mention moderators to "save" DU -- are you part of the crew to be moderated? Or is everyone else the problem?

One person mocked Hillary's use of her mother in an ad, not Dorothy herself. I disagree with the poster. I like learning about candidates' families, where they came from, etc.

Should you respond to this, enjoy having the last word. I'm going to bed.

I tried to be a voice of reason, and keep the peace, but hell. I can't compete with sheer ugliness.

I tried. Another example of off the damned rails ugly.

I can't do it. I can't continue fighting against it. It's not good for my soul.

And it's not about hostility, it's about being a hypocrite. What's mock-worthy for one candidate is just dandy for another.

This IS a discussion board. The idea is to debate ideas. The idea isn't to drag dead mothers through the dirt. And then claim it was all a "joke." What is funny about that? And what is funny about making fun of someone talking about their late mother? But IOKIYB, I guess?

I wouldn't object to moderation at this point, and obviously, if moderation returned to this board, it would be for all. I managed to avoid getting posts hidden when we had mods because I didn't resort to personal insult. I have found, though, that some people here just can't have a conversation without going straight to the nasty characterizations and accusations. It makes DU suck.

memorialize a post, get every damn line, now--wouldn't want anyone to think you were MISREPRESENTING MY INTENT:

conceal what you did. Or TRIED to do.

I hope everyone reads what you wrote, how you "edited" -- and sees just what you're all about.

Anything to WIN.

You are ignored. Pathetic.

that I have never once interacted with you before now, Z California.

But that's probably because, though you've been here since 2011, you have only posted 373 times here at DU. Kind of hard to get to "know" someone who doesn't talk much.

So, you see, I'm not insulted, offended, hurt, or whatever. I certainly won't miss talking to you, because I never have done, and I simply don't know you.

I'm glad the tools Skinner has provided to you are improving your DU experience.

The post you refer to didn't mock Clinton's mother. It mocked a campaign ad that talks about Clinton's mother. And why on earth would you suggest another possible reference when the reference was clear?

Why try to play it off as "a joke" if there wasn't any intent to denigrate, hmmm?

More to the point you are trying to make, mocking Clinton's mother, Dorothy, and making fun of Clinton's ad about her mother (and then trying to pretend that was just joking) doesn't "alienate" Clinton supporters?

Please.

Sanders did the same thing Clinton did. He talked about his PAST.

And I provided a video to prove it.

And I pointed out that people LIKE to hear about the candidates' pasts.

Apparently, if your name is Clinton, that's not allowed--you'll be mocked and derided and be accused of "using" your family for political purposes.

But hey, It's OK if you're Bernie. And if you dare mention the hypocrisy that it's OK for one, but not the other, you'll be accused of cheerleading for Adoph.

That's DU these days.