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pinebox

(5,761 posts)
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 02:49 PM Nov 2015

Bernie has authenticity...Hillary..meh...not so much

At least that's what the LA Times said in this article.

"Campaign 2016's quixotic quest for 'authenticity'
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1101-mcmanus-candidate-authenticity-20151101-column.html

Joe Biden has it, and so does Bernie Sanders. Donald Trump and Ben Carson have it too — at least, they seem to. But Hillary Rodham Clinton strains to achieve it. And Jeb Bush? He doesn't seem to want to try.

The elusive quality is authenticity, and it's become a preoccupation of the 2016 presidential campaign. Can candidates convince voters — amid all the noise and artifice of politics — that they are real people underneath, with character and convictions?

"Will you say anything to get elected?" CNN's Anderson Cooper asked Clinton at the first Democratic debate. But voters surely have the same question about Bush, and Marco Rubio, and everyone else who counts as a traditional politician.

When voters say they want authenticity, they often mean honesty and trustworthiness, for starters. We also want "straight talk," something Trump, Carson and Sanders all provide. We want candidates to open up and show some emotion, not just talking points written by campaign strategists.

What we want, in short, is a glimpse into a candidate's soul. Because that's not exactly easy to achieve — even in a campaign that lasts almost two years — we ask our candidates to jump through hoops. We demand a look at their families. We even expect them to appear on television and tell jokes, or sing or even (in the case of Sanders) dance with Ellen DeGeneres, to prove that they can be good sports amid indignity. If a politician is willing to embarrass himself publicly, we seem to believe, he's probably not a robot.
Continued at http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1101-mcmanus-candidate-authenticity-20151101-column.html
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Bernie has authenticity...Hillary..meh...not so much (Original Post) pinebox Nov 2015 OP
Actually, that's not what the LA Times said. That's what the writer MineralMan Nov 2015 #1
True pinebox Nov 2015 #2
Newspapers publish editorials expressing the opinion MineralMan Nov 2015 #4
Yes but pinebox Nov 2015 #9
wow...okay artislife Nov 2015 #3
The Los Angeles Times, like all major newspapers, MineralMan Nov 2015 #5
Of course. artislife Nov 2015 #6
Ok. n/t zappaman Nov 2015 #7
The writer of this opinion piece cites Sanders' dance with Ellen as an example of his authenticity Rose Siding Nov 2015 #8
However pinebox Nov 2015 #10
Voters see women as more "authentic," which is Hortensis Nov 2015 #11
No they dont AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #18
Yes, they do. This is not a personal opinion, it's proven fact. Hortensis Nov 2015 #21
Nothing authentic about her at all AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #22
You're entitled to have an opinion, Aging. I don't agree Hortensis Nov 2015 #24
Hillary is a packaged 'product' AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #12
So is Bernie Skidmore Nov 2015 #14
Sanders is the real deal AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #17
Yup, he's a real politician. Skidmore Nov 2015 #19
She filters everything through focus groups and has every word scripted AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #20
He's still a politician and has been Skidmore Nov 2015 #23
Proves one can get elected over and over without production. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #25
Yeah. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #13
But pinebox Nov 2015 #15
"we need to get this 'authenticity': how much would that budget? are there expert authentic people MisterP Nov 2015 #16
Ah, the "authenticity" argument. A sure sign of desperation. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #26

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
1. Actually, that's not what the LA Times said. That's what the writer
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 03:05 PM
Nov 2015

of an op-ed that was published in that paper said. Most newspapers publish a wide range of op-ed opinion articles. Op-ed opinions do not necessarily represent the opinion of the newspaper or its publishers.

Just a clarification.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
2. True
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 03:07 PM
Nov 2015

Fair enough but how often do newspapers speak for themselves, not so much. Everything is written by "someone".

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
4. Newspapers publish editorials expressing the opinion
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 03:11 PM
Nov 2015

of their publishers. For example, most newspapers will endorse candidates for office as an election nears. That endorsement represents the opinion of the publishers, therefore the newspaper.

All major newspapers, however, publish editorial opinions by a wide range of writers. Such opinions are not news, nor do they necessarily reflect the views of the publisher of the paper.

You will know the opinion of the newspaper about an election when it publishes an editorial endorsing one candidate or another.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
5. The Los Angeles Times, like all major newspapers,
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 03:14 PM
Nov 2015

publishes opinion articles on its opinion pages. Those should never be confused with news articles. Major papers publish a full range of opinions from many different writers. They are the opinions of those writers only.

So, to say that the "LA Times says..." when referring to an editorial or op-ed piece is not accurate at all.

It's a distinction that should be remembered. Editorial opinion is not news. It is only the writer's opinion.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
6. Of course.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 03:23 PM
Nov 2015

But the same attention to detail is sorely lacking when the h side posts from their sources.

That's all.

A new dissection.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
8. The writer of this opinion piece cites Sanders' dance with Ellen as an example of his authenticity
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 03:27 PM
Nov 2015

Hillary did the same thing yet the author, mere paragraphs before, opines she "strains" to achieve it.

Double standard much?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Voters see women as more "authentic," which is
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 03:52 PM
Nov 2015

exactly WHY we're seeing almost a decade now of claims that Hillary is not. People have been trained to hit the "no" button when they see her name and "authentic."

Maybe...just maybe try to stay independent of these brain-suckers? Even get out the tin foil hat if that's what it would take?

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
18. No they dont
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 05:14 PM
Nov 2015

Especially Hillary who is packaged as a 'product'. Nothing authentic about mimicking your opponent.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. Yes, they do. This is not a personal opinion, it's proven fact.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 05:25 PM
Nov 2015

Women candidates are also seen as more honest and caring than male candidates. Thus, any time you see a female candidate you will typically see opponents' ads chiseling away at these perceived areas of superior virtue.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
22. Nothing authentic about her at all
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 05:34 PM
Nov 2015

Nor is she seen as such. Like Palin and Fiorina, Hillary is a packaged product.

Please show your source, if one exists.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. You're entitled to have an opinion, Aging. I don't agree
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 06:34 PM
Nov 2015

that we are entitled to act on just any opinion whomped up to justify what we want to think and do, though. Whatever.

In the meantime, I feel a little more acceptance of the honest evaluations of others is in order. It seems to me that for people who've never met Hillary even for 5 minutes to insist the right-wing media are completely right and all the people who like Hillary are completely wrong is at best delusional.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
20. She filters everything through focus groups and has every word scripted
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 05:23 PM
Nov 2015

He states his beliefs from the heart, and makes speeches using only notes. Yeah, she is just like him.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
16. "we need to get this 'authenticity': how much would that budget? are there expert authentic people
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 04:37 PM
Nov 2015

we can use as coaches? how much time would it take for a full prospectus on an authenticity program?"

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