is the nominee, then they will most likely leave DU to respect the rules here regarding supporting the nominee.

Bernie or Bust.

Bernie or Bust violates the TOS right now!


But yes, the TOS obviously means this place is ONLY for people who vote for and support the Democratic Party.

That is just scary stuff you are saying, TOS or not.

Just scary.

voting for Democrats!

The horror!

It's a site that specifically says DEMOCRATS.
The goal is to get DEMOCRATS elected.
You added that part about "conservative" and "progressive".

Not sure why you are so confused when you have been here so long.

The only twisting being done around here is from the turd way, ie right wingers who happen to put a (D) behind their name thinking it will mask the stench of right winger.

I does not mask the stench.

what they want.

And, what they want is not to get any repub in office like why this site was created in 2001.

I'm down with that.

any more than it would be a violation of free speech for me to be thrown out of your house for proclaiming that your mother wears combat boots (or some other actual insult).

You are perfectly entitled to go start a webpage saying that candidate X, Y or Z is a poopy-head, you aren't entitled to expect somebody else to pay for you to do so.

This is a private website dedicated to advancing a particular political party. It's not just some random political discussion website (go to Discussionist for that). Why would you think you can say whatever you want here?

Pitiful.

for a Republican or third party candidate to win the general.

Second, your OP is meta.

Third, if your motive in posting is that you actually want an answer to your question, post in the Administrators' forum.

One, with a very low post count recently declared that Jeb Bush was going to win the GE, and another who called me out because I objected and mentioned to the first poster that we have many paid trolls who come here to try to discourage voting. I of course also mentioned to the first poster that this site's raison d'etre is to help get Dems elected.

The second poster also went on to suggest that the country, even with it's fast changing demographics still favor repugs 55% to us Dems' 45%. I then also mentioned to the second poster the reason for DU existing is to help Dems get elected, not the opposite of that.

Both posts are disturbing to me seem to go over the line towards shilling for repugs.

who are well known, long time Democratic DU posters saying they won't vote for Hillary in the general, which is not the same as advocating for a Republican or Third Party candidate to win the general.

Saying "I'll never vote for Clinton" appears to be okay; saying "I support "Bernie or bust" which advocated not voting for Clinton" would appear to cross the line.

and I can do that and say that here as long as I dont advocate for a write in or 3rd party.


Well, OK.

when i say bernie or bust i just mean i want an all out effort (on my part) for bernie to win

maybe other people mean different things but to me it only means we are going to try really hard

if they actually exist.

Ask the Administrators Forum. Aside from the admins, nobody else is qualified to answer it.

to get a response. Take a look at how long some of those posts have been sitting there.

The reason is because the admins believe that most people who say this in the context of a contested presidential primary don't actually mean it.

Nothing like a little mind reading to avoid taking responsibility.

I'm not a forum host.

But if someone says: "If my candidate doesn't win the nomination, I am staying home on election day" This in my mind is a clear TOS violation.

The Tea Party is cleaning up down ballot positions

So advocating for writing in a Democrat would put people at risk for hides and bans, too.

When he is the Dem candidate?

I play a long game, been at this a long time.

I am a big picture guy.

You can't bring yourself to even write it out?

Go ahead, just do it!

If you don't want a reply from me, stop doing that.

And, to be perfectly candid, I don't recall seeing a single post of yours supporting him. I have, however, seen many of your posts bashing his supporters, including implying they are racist and sexist, at least three of which got hidden last night. Given all the "I can't support Sanders because of his supporters" posts here, your posting seems bizarre for a supporter of Sanders. Seems destined not to help him and possibly to lose him votes. You may want to re-think it.

have noticed many posts that could be considered undermining him.

Got a link to all the posts in which you supported him, said people should vote for him, etc? Even 3-5 links over the six months since he announced would convince me. I can't see how you would get silenced for posting links to your own posts praising Bernie. And, by posts praising Bernie, I mean straight out praising him. Not that "I support Bernie but,,," crap.

You might get hidden for posting again that Bernie's supporters are racist and sexist and, candidly, I think those are good hides. However, those posts, as I already explained, only undermine Bernie, not support him. And you've been specializing in them for months, while claiming to be supporting him. It's very puzzling.

ps

i have posted hundreds of times that I am a Bernie supporter

and you know it

why he is better than Hillary as to Wall Street.

I dont have to prove that, you know it is true.

I have also stated, factually, about the attitudes of certain people around here and the alert stalking, but I am not the only one, many of us have been silenced for talking about that.

As far as alert stalking, if you broad brush supporter of Sanders as racist and sexist and include your belief that your post will be hidden, complaining about alert stalking is ridiculous. That is a valid TOS alert, period.

However, supporters of Sanders and supporters of Hillary have both experienced silly alerts; and there was even evidence of alert stalking of Bernie supporters on the hillarysupporters. com website. That one group has been crying innocent victim longer and louder than the other is meaningless.

I was flat out told I was being stalked.
There's no innocence to claim from Beinie supporters here.
8ts been going on en masse since E Warren was the first choice.
Don't even claim that you don't know that to be true.
If all the vitriole were focused at the conniving dirty GOP, we may actually save this country from itself.

I have heard absolutely NOTHING from Bernie supporters on the subject of how to destroy the GOP and what they can & are individually doing about voter suppression, gerrymanderd States, precinct closings etc.

All hate Hillary, all the time.
Not a word about unifying the Dem Party in supporting what is needed to stop the theft of another election.

What have any of US here on DU done in our own cities, communities to give the voters a better chance of having their right to vote honored.

You can be dead sure that the GOP has thouggt about it.
I'd like to hear Bernie supporters stop blaming the issue on someonw else & actually talk about what we all can do with the power we have at hand.

I do my part every week making sure voters know & get the docs necessary to be able to vote.
Has your State silently changed the laws on voter ID's?
Have you checked?
Do you know what groups in your cities need this information?
Yes its posted on a website, but not all have that convenience.
Thats just a start.
Because if wr do not take this election away from the GOP by getting people properly prepared to vote, its not going to matter how many posts you acquired on a website, the GOP has already done the work that will keep your favorite candidate from ever winning.

What have any of US on DU done to unify and strengthen our chances against the Republicans and all the dirty tricks they have slowly put in place for 2016.

Has anyone of US on DU done more than copy past & divide against each other while overlooking the great big real elephant in the room?
How much research have we all done to know how to counter the sleazy deeds of the GOP?

Look at Kentucky.
Do something besides blame & divide.

will vote for, and that is their right.

Sounds like you are demanding loyalty pledges.

the rules right now.

That is a fact, whether it will be enforced or not, we will see.

What you posted speaks only to advocating for a Republican or a third party candidate. If you see such advocacy, alert on it.

so not doing so...is violation of TOS if you ask me.

"Vote for Democrats.

Winning elections is important — therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground. But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect. When we are not in the heat of election season, members are permitted to post strong criticism or disappointment with our Democratic elected officials, or to express ambivalence about voting for them. In Democratic primaries, members may support whomever they choose. But when general election season begins, DU members must support Democratic nominees (EXCEPT in rare cases where a non-Democrat is most likely to defeat the conservative alternative, or where there is no possibility of splitting the liberal vote and inadvertently throwing the election to the conservative alternative). For presidential contests, election season begins when both major-party nominees become clear. For non-presidential contests, election season begins on Labor Day. Everyone here on DU needs to work together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side."

"... turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side"

So I guess one way or another there are a lot of potential violators. But I am sure you won't read that portion so literally.

who in the hell do you think you are kidding?

Candidate Running for the Dem Nomination.

So the rule including the word 'never' doesn't apply to him.

Second time attempting to explain to you why that rule doesn't apply to him or his supporters.

In a way, I think it's already over (except for the pouting and tantrums) but that won't last long either. They're all in for a surprise, if you ask me.

< "But nobody asked you, Jackie!" >

At the moment I split my time between DU, real world life, and my efforts to help elect Democratic tickets, but since I am often silenced here for pointing out racism, I will need to find a new place to get new voters.

But we (Bernie supporters) have done an amazing job in just a few, but Bernie has made that easy. Imagine what we can do in another few months.

if the DNC sabotaged Bernie's candidacy,
but her supporters are making that difficult.

and voting for the lesser of two evils?
You can't imagine that?

Is this your first election cycle?
It's the standard crap the party serves
almost every election.

Bernie is NOT the lesser of two evils.

Don't expect much if any support.

Hillary's fanbase is alienating
everyone who's not a cheerleader.
And they have a year to make
the chasm wider

I think I can understand the extreme emotional attachment that some people develop for their candidate. As a result, the "attacks" on the candidate are felt personally. The candidate is the personification of their deepest held beliefs, therefore, criticizing the candidate, just cuts to the very core of someone's heart.

Some will get over it, some won't. Some can handle disappointment, some can't. Some will vote to defeat the GOP, others won't. I can't control what others do, or how they feel. I can try to understand it, or explain it, but I can't control it. Sometimes their actions are predictable and expected. Other times, I'm surprised.

BTW: I also think it's unfair for anyone to pretend as though only Hillary's supporters have been dismissive and "alienating". There's plenty of blame to go around. (You know it's true.)

The candidate needs to deliver
both on past performance and
expectation of future performance.

Voting for a flip-flopper/evolver
is voting for the lesser of two evils.

There is no pleasure or confidence in
voting for an untrustworthy candidate.

Hillary's supporters are the deal breaker.

Ta-dahhh! Problem solved.


"Hillary's supporters are the deal breaker." Yes, I understand. To you, it's personal ... it's probably very difficult to distinguish the difference between the candidate and the supporters who've sparred with you, or insulted you. In your mind, they're one and the same. It's a purely emotional reaction. I get it.

It seems to me that your only option will be to say home on election day. There's no reason that anyone should have to put themselves through so much mental anguish and torment.

Really? How old are you?

You want "old?" Hey, I'm old: throw it at me. Leave Cosmic Kitten alone.

Or ditch the ageism.

incredibly hot (whatever that may mean to any individual), even though we are not shallow about that. And that's exactly as I see you.

You don't have to tell anyone you're old or you're young just because they are rude enough to ask.

In the immortal words of Bette Midler and, I understand, troops in WWII, "Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke."

It's a rude question anyway.

On Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:09 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Wait what?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=766192

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Overly nasty personal attack and all around bad community standards.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:11 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
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Explanation: Hey look! Alert stalking!
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Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter needs to take a time out from GDP if they think this is nasty.
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7-0 was a good call.