I was impressed by Bernie's statement during the debate. I thought it was classy, gracious, and showed a good sense of substance over sound bite.

Now he's completely undone all that good will. His words won't make a difference to the committee. At this point it looks like a cheap shot, an effort to resurrect a Republican smear campaign.

I'm disappointed.

The email investigation has always been a joke. Sanders' statement suggests that it's a real issue, which only feeds into the GOP narrative. I'm not surprised anymore when I see his supporters adopt Republican TPs, but I always saw him as being above doing it himself.

Why do so many people here not understand that the FBI investigation isn't about emails, for Pete's sake?

It's about holding classified information on an unsecure server that did not meet the government's protocol.

It's not about Gowdy and the Republican idiots on the Benghazi committee.

But it's also not a joke.

The FBI are real investigators and they are conducting a real digital forensics investigation. They may very well find she did nothing wrong. They may find she did. I don't know, but I do know being investigated by the FBI is a far cry from being "investigated" by your political enemies.

That they weren't investigating Clinton.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/10/21/a-comprehensive-guide-to-myths-and-facts-about/206289#linknotcriminal



That gets lost in the shuffle for some reason.

It is about her email server, although she is not the target. However you want to slice and dice it, the investigation does revolve around her server. Not the target doesn't mean that she can't be implicated, it just means they are looking into the server, and if things go down the wrong road then it could still end up in her lap.

the FBI is running an investigation on her behalf, not an investigation into her.

Hahahah.. So did she call for the investigation? Or are you just using media matters as your source? Let me know when you find a different source that isn't related to David Brock.

Or it is not, Do you have information that the FBI is targeting Clinton?
Claiming bias isn't proof.

Comment stated how she was NOT the target but still could be implicated. Stop repeating your talking points.

A repetition of talking points?

Well it looks like you're wrong about a possible implication.

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/11/clinton-cleared-sending-highly-classified

The U.S. intelligence community has retreated from claims that two emails in Hillary Clinton’s private account contained top secret information, a source familiar with the situation told POLITICO.

The determination came from Director of National Intelligence James Clapper’s office and concluded that the two emails did not include highly classified intelligence secrets. Concerns about the emails' classification helped trigger an on-going FBI inquiry into Clinton's private email set-up.

if they admit that his statement about the FBI investigation has nothing to do with his statement in regards to the media's attention to the emails, there will be one less reason to continue their faux outrage. Can't be having that if playing the victim card to gain sympathy is their strategy to get the win- they have to accuse Senator Sanders of everything in the book.

He did say he and the American public are tired of the media obsessing over emails and not focusing on issues, but right after the debate, he agreed that the FBI should be allowed to proceed with their investigation (like he could stop it, anyway).

This is the media twisting his words. You should know how they operate.

I personally have seen it all and know that Bernard Sanders is the second coming of Abraham Lincoln.

That's the kind of shake-up we will see first hand - but you have to look for it every day. The revolution will not be televised.

Good will to all of you. I think regardless of politics, we are all well-meaning Americans. We need more open discussions.

It's a bullshit issue.

Though I can see why you'd be confused. Clinton's supporters have spent a lot of time and effort trying to convince everyone that classified information in Clinton's email is only about Benghazi.

The DNI IG thinks that classified information was mishandled. The State Department disagrees. So the FBI is investigating. Congress is not involved in the FBI investigation.

If anything was labeled classified it was after the emails were turned over.

You keep using the right wing talking points

This is drilled repeatedly in the training you are required to take when you are given access to classified information. You are also told the criteria for information to be classified, so that you are able to spot improperly marked information.

So "It didn't say (TS/SCI) in front of it in the email!!!" is not actually a defense.

I'm amazed to see Clinton supporters are in the dark on this very serious issue. I don't think it'll be going away anytime soon, and it is, quite frankly, a problem for her campaign.

Clinton must have encountered classified information as secretary of state on a daily basis, said Liza Goitein, co-director of the Brennan Center for Justice’s Liberty and National Security Program. The emails released so far don’t have labels marking them classified when sent, which supports Clinton’s argument.

"The fact that no emails on her personal server were marked as classified suggests that she generally was doing her classified business on the secure government servers dedicated to that purpose," she said.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/sep/10/hillary-clintons-emails-classified-or-not/

Their report says the following:

clearly indicates there was nothing there.

This story is less than a month old:

Unbeknownst to Clinton, IT firm had emails stored on cloud; now in FBI’s hands

of reporting on the issue. Here's a page that debunks various myths about Clintons email server.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/14/more-myths-and-facts-on-top-secret-materials-in/204946

into her email server. (At least, for the moment)

Gowdy tried to use the email to get news for his Benghazi investigation, but he isn't looking into the DNI IG's claims. The DNI IG's claims are not about Benghazi.

This "football game" approach us bizarre to me.

The investigation is a different subject than the media coverage. If you just projected your own desires onto that statement that is your problem

We should investigate the common practice of government officials using personal accounts to conduct official business. What are the consequences? Should we ban the practice? Should we let them do it and impose security measures? The current "investigation" has no interest in these questions. Gowdy and his buddies just want to discredit Hillary Clinton, so they will never gives us the information we need. The inquiry needs to be moved to a committee that has no political interests at stake, and that means not Congress.

I think only the FBI is handling that portion of the investigation and rightfully so. They're real investigators, not a bunch of Gowdy-led rabid Republicans out for Clinton/Obama Administration blood.

The Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs committee is now investigating a possible breach of classified information, at the request of the IGs of State and Intelligence. This story will be firing up in the middle of the Dem primary. I hope it all comes out before Hillary is crowned our nominee. Can you imagine what the general election will look like if it all comes out after that happens?

The point that people STILL don't seem to understand it's not about "Gowdy and his buddies just want to discredit Hillary Clinton".

It is an FBI investigation, not a congressional one.

How many time must this be pointed out?

Why champion and repeat misinformation?

I don't even know what that means.

I'm not confused about which investigation is which.

How many time must the difference be pointed out?

Why champion and repeat misinformation?


I don't even know what a playground has to do with anything. Were you trying to belittle me?

I'm not the one who simply refuses to "get it".

They are not investigating government officials using personal accounts. They are investigating if there is classified information in one particular set of personal accounts.

The DNI Inspector General thinks there is. The State Department thinks there isn't. So the FBI is investigating.

It sounded to me like Sanders was saying Gowdy and his merry pranksters should keep going. The FBI investigation has to continue, of course, since there is the possibility that classified information was kept on a personal server, and may have found its way to a place it wasn't supposed to be. But this sort of thing was common practice, and that's what really needs to be addressed.

AFAIK, no one has pointed to any classified in personal accounts used by Powell, et al.

And it's too late now. But we know big people in the government and military have been careless with classified information. We just have not looked into the increased opportunity for carelessness presented by electronic communications.

I'm not saying I blame you, but the truth will come out in the end.

We knew he approved the Watergate break ins, or at least the cover up, but he was never charged with anything. Reagan was never charged in connection with Iran Contra, the worst constitutional violation in our history. Bush and Cheney were never charged with lying to justify the Iraq war. And so it goes. We all know what really happened, and we know these guys committed crimes, and we were pretty sure from the very beginning that they would not be held to account. So, wishful thinking, yes.

However, the FBI investigation into the security of the server isn't about "emails" and is a serious investigation. If the server contained classified info and wasn't properly security, it's no longer a "non issue."

That said, it may very well turn out there's nothing there, but that's why we should let the FBI do its job.

Bernie's "flip flop" was merely saying what most people, including Obama, would say. The FBI is investigating. Let them do their job.

He didnlt say anything about it beyond that.

to the "sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails" comment, I suspect the reaction would have been a little different.

However, Hillary probably needs you more!

IMHO MSM twisting things a bit to fit it into the horse-race narrative they use when covering elections.

Instead it's one that Hillary's supporters will enjoy using to needle Bernie's followers. The "let it go" advice offered in the OP might be something that Bernie's followers could consider if they hope to minimize the entertainment that some get from the playful teasing.

On the email issue as the ONLY issue in the Dem Primary. But of course his complete statement re the media was largely ignored by ,. You guessed it .. By the media.

He's merely pointing out he has no authority to halt ongoing investigations, which is the simple truth.

you are 100% correct:

I think the secretary is right. And that is that the American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails. … The middle class, Anderson (Cooper), let me say something about the media as well. I go around the country, talk to a whole lot of people. Middle class in this country is collapsing. We have 27 million people living in poverty. We have massive wealth and inequality. It's cost us millions of decent jobs. The American people want to know whether we're going to have a democracy as a as a result. Enough of the emails. Let's talk about the real issues facing America.

It was obvious what Sanders was saying here. If there had been revelations about the emails, I would imagine Sanders would think that was fair game. However, there was nothing to talk about concerning emails that are still under investigation; the time should be spent discussing the bleak realities many people are experiencing right now, not on rhetorically dancing around idle speculations.

Of course, in most accounts I saw, everything after "your damn emails" was edited out.

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There's been a very deliberate effort to claim the email server is only about Benghazi. That isn't true.

The DNI IG thinks that classified information was sent in emails from her server, and stored on her server. The State Department disagrees. So the FBI is investigating.

You'll note that none of that involves Congressional Republicans.

But by claiming it's all about Congressional Republicans, some Clinton supporters can deflect from the atrocious job Clinton & Co did with the security of her server and whether or not Clinton and/or her aides improperly handled classified.

the State IG was very much in favor of an investigation as well and they both agreed that Hillary generated emails that included classified information, and sent them over an unsecured server.

https://oig.state.gov/system/files/statement_of_the_icig_and_oig_regarding_review_of_clintons_emails_july_24_2015.pdf

that was misinterpreted by Clinton and the crowd. It most certainly isn't a flip-flop. It was a mis-fire at the debate. so much for Mr. Nice Guy "never go negative" Sanders.

Maybe they were. This comment by Bernie would seem to suggest it.

I've never seen anyone so in love with rofl icons as you are. Why don't you try words to express yourself? You might actually add some substance to the discussion.

I approve.

Bernie needs to fix this.

that some of us are not taking the time to discover relevant truths already in the public domain.

Honestly I have just about had it with ALL of the repeated hype.

If you all cannot be bothered to think before you comment why waste my time, eh?

It is hard enough discussing real events and ideas without the panic factor feeding more inaccuracy and ambiguities into the discussion.

Again, PLEASE think before you pour more gas on the fires. This used to be a place where I could go to have reasonably articulate discussion about the issues and get informed responses.

I'd rather not build my own site but I will if I have to.

is the backpedaling done by their supporters to justify it.

Just somebody with critical thinking skills.

Do you plan on using them?

and it's really obvious that BS has separated the media obsession with the emails, with the FBI investigation. This deliberate twisting is petty and small.

How would you know if he did? Can you recognize critical thinking skills?

DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251769761





& Rec !!!

to turn it into something else in that moment - and then shamelessly go after him on guns in the next round.

Clever, opportunistic and shameless - that's HRC. Same for most politicians.

that she's twisting words and their meanings, could apply equally to you, Poli.

regarding HRC?

Doubt she'd have a problem with any of it - most politicians see that constellation as essential traits in order to win.

Why isn't the FBI examining Colin Powell's private server to see if he ever sent or received classified information improperly. Also, any former Sect of State that didn't have a private server had separate State Dept email networks for classified and unclassified information. Shouldn't they all be audited by the FBI to make sure they never sent or received classified emails improperly.

You are regurgitating a right wing talking point. Many here have explained to you what the FBI is really doing here, which is to resolve a dispute between federal agencies about what should be declared classified after the fact for purposes of disclosure in response to PRA requests to the State Department stamina from the Benghazi investigation.

Hence the FBI investigation, which will lead to a legal finding (either "no there wasn't" from the FBI, or "yes there was" via something like a trial).

There is no dispute that none of the emails were marked classified when she received them. You admit the investigation is not about Hillary. You are beating a dead horse, and not it looks like Bernie wants to be at it too.

Marking removes ambiguity. Marking is not what makes the information classified.

They are investigating whether or not Clinton's server had classified information on it, and if it did who could be subject to a criminal investigation.

Could Clinton be subject to a criminal investigation? No. There's a hole in our espionage laws. You only break them if you:
1) Directly give classified to a foreign government
2) Sell classified
3) Allow classified to leak via negligence.

Clinton didn't do any of those. So she can't be charged with a crime. If she was random government employee #8031947 she would lose her clearance and be fired. But she no longer has a clearance, and she no longer works for the government.

Her IT guy, however, may be charged with a crime if the FBi finds classified on her server. He was extremely negligent with the security on her server. And do he pled the 5th.

'Cause I said they were not investigating Clinton, they were investigating her server.

They are determining whether emails, never designated classified at the time Hillary received them, should be designated classified now, for purposes of production in response to FOIA requests to the State Department.

The IG reports had nothing to do with Hillary's handling of emails while Secretary of State. They were about the State Department FOIA staff's handling of emails for purposes of response to FOIA requests.

But since Bernie is crashing and burning in the polls, I guess his new pollster told him to resurrect all that old bullshit.

You're lying because it makes your candidate look better.

Can't wait for his big speech on socialism!



Oh wait...looks like his new pollster told him to hold off on that:

Sanders' campaign delays speech explaining democratic socialism
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/04/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-socialism-speech/index.html

You constantly conflate marking something classified as being classified.
You claimed "no finding", until you had to say there was a finding by the DNI IG.

And now you're trying to change the subject.

Boy, that doesn't seem like lying at all.

Nothing I said was false. There was no "finding" in the IG reports, they just talk about what the IGs were tasked to do, which was basically to determine what should be turned over by the State Department in response to FOIA requests.

So when do you think Bernie is going to give his big socialism speech?

Which kinda indicates one of your statements was false.

He was supposed to be all about the issues and didn't care about Hillary's "damn emails." But now, after he failed to gain traction after the debate, he is more than happy to talk about Hillary's emails, but not his socialist ideals. Go figure.

The IG reports describe what the IGs were tasked to do, they are not "findings." This video by journalist Kurt Eichenwald explains what the FBI is actually doing better than anything I've seen, and shows the actual IG reports that all these stories are based on.

I didn't reference anything about the contents of Hillary's email, classified or unclassified, I questioned why hers are subject to FBI audit and no other SOS.

..... even tho' it isn't. And the average average person actually understands it.

But grasping at anything to enhance a crush and idol at the expense of reality .... it apparently the thing to do when deciding for whom to vote.

Yeah, it's a flip flop. And it is not a valid investigation. It is a witch hunt. After 8 investigations, all of which cleared Clinton, there is no valid reason to continue the investigation.

..... where it is explain made clear.

FBI Investigation ? Benghazi investigation.

Media hype ? Investigation itself.

Not hard really.

The reporter was clearly referring to the Benghazi committe investigation of Hillary's emails (the FBI is not investigating Hillary):

theirs and nobody's rolling over because Bernie now wants to waste taxpayers money.. right along with the gop.

The longer the Republicans go on, the more idiotic they look.