2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhen you say you are going to "kick someone's butt" you own it.
Can we all agree on that and it is fair for partisans or supporters of the person whose butt is to be kicked to take umbrage and to strenuously argue why that will never occur.
Thank you in advance.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)EOM
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)But there's no ambiguity here...his remark was clearly referring to Hillary Clinton - the only one ahead of him.
Stay classy, Bernie!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)And laughed and laughed.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)And what does it have to do with sexism again?
bvf
(6,604 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)All I can say is that if the Hillary supporters of the more extreme variety are truly making a fuss about this "butt" thing, well, this is Trump-type territory.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)where Bernie said he was going to kick Hillary's butt.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)CONCORD, N.H. As he filed Thursday to run in New Hampshires Democratic contest for president, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) fielded a colorful question from someone crammed into the secretary of states office here: You ready to kick some Republican butt, Bernie?
Theres some earlier butt we have to deal with, the Vermont senator replied, in a less-than-graceful reference to the Democratic front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/05/sanders-says-theres-earlier-butt-to-kick-before-the-gops/
If you want to have a semantics argument I am not going to oblige you but I suspect there are a lot of posters here who will...
My addition to this testosterone fueled debate is if the septuagenarian senator thinks he can "kick (Hillary's) butt " he better pinch himself because he must be dreaming.
Autumn
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DCBob
(24,689 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)EOM
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)What Sanders said was a little cruder than he should he been . That's one of the putfalls of actually speaking like a person, instead of just another perfectly modulated Acceptable Candidate (TM).
He didn't say anything that men don't say to men, women say to men, women say to women and all variations every day in many situations.
If Clinton wants to say something equally snarky or plain spoken in return, hey fine. But with one caveat-- It would be preferable if she not use as a defense that she is a delicate flower who is too delicate to speak plain English to, because there might be vague overtones of sexism involved.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)By actual debate I mean the two of them sitting down comfortably with a moderator who sees his role simply as keeping a real discussion going, and allowing them to explain their points and engage each other in a real way (as opposed to 30 seconds "state your peace and soundbite" .
I think that would be very illuminating, and show both of them at their best -- and I think it would be an evenly matched contest.
(Actually I wish all debates were like that. But...)
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)EOM
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I've only seen those scripted, made for TV, campaign stops that the TV calls "debates".
The last presidential debates were hosted by the League of Women Voters back in the 70s & 80s,
but as campaigns started dictating the parameters of the "debate" , the LWV refused to host them again, and released this statement:
Never-the-Less, watching Hillary's performance at the Senate hearings, while not a debate, at times showed Hillary's skills at it.
OTOH, Bernie HAS been in thousands of debates on the House and Senate Floor,
so an open, formal debate between these two would be interesting.
"The League has no intention of becoming an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public."
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Hence the gender card is wildly misplaced in this instance (as usual), so what's the
big problem again?
Clintonistas I suppose could take issue with Bernie using an "off-color" word perhaps, but then ...
you'd think Hillary peeps would be equally outraged about Bernie saying "voters are
tired of hearing about your DAMNED emails".?? .. yet quite the opposite happened.
So what is Team Clinton's big problem with this again?
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Boy, Hillary supporters are going to be so mad at you!!!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Sometimes I wish I could go back in time, but not to the 1st grade.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Sometimes it's okay to put the animosity away and just be silly. We don't have to always be on the attack you know.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)EOM
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)you may want to use røv or kolbe instead.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Her supporters can't decide.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Ali and Rousey would laugh in your face over this poutrage.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)I am sure the hapless young woman in the pink shorts thought she could beat Ronda's butt:
The septuagenarian senator "has a better chance of running through Hell in a gasoline suit" than kicking Hillary's butt, lol...
There is nothing inconsistent with my seminal post, ergo:
Can we all agree on that and it is fair for partisans or supporters of the person whose butt is to be kicked to take umbrage and to strenuously argue why that will never occur.
All I have been doing is strenuously arguing it will never occur...If the septuagenarian senator thinks he can "kick Hilary's butt" he needs to check himself.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)piece o work...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)If I called Hillary the sexagenarian Secretary of State am I making an ageist remark?
I am :
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Now before you barf up some lame shit about simply stating a fact, understand you fool no one.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)It is a descriptor used for alliterative effect.
No need to get upset. I believe you are the interlocutor who suggested I need smelling salts to resuscitate me from the off color humor.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)OP after OP and post after post from Hillary supporters outraged over an innocuous everyday term, now morphs into "why you Bernie supporters so serious?".
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)I do not take exception to a lil trash talking.I do not take exception to Bernie saying he will kick "Hillary's butt". I do take exception to the fact he can.
I made it clear in my seminal post.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)"Hillary's butt."
You put quotes around it, so you must have a source,
or are you just making stuff up again?
I'll wait.
I have to Kick Butt tomorrow building an addition to the chicken coop.
That will take some serious butt kicking to get it all done tomorrow.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)CONCORD, N.H. As he filed Thursday to run in New Hampshires Democratic contest for president, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) fielded a colorful question from someone crammed into the secretary of states office here: You ready to kick some Republican butt, Bernie?
Theres some earlier butt we have to deal with, the Vermont senator replied, in a less-than-graceful reference to the Democratic front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/05/sanders-says-theres-earlier-butt-to-kick-before-the-gops/
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Are you deliberately trying to mislead DUers, or intentionally distort what Sanders really said?
Giving you ALL the benefit of the doubt possible, you may still go back and correct the LIE you put in quotation marks..... or
we will have to assume the only other alternative:
You have no problems with intentionally trying to deceive the DU community by intentionally posting FALSE information.
It is a sign of deep desperation when fans have to start inventing fantasies to try to sell their candidate.
That is pretty sad...having to make stuff up.
You do yourself no favors by making stuff up and then putting quotation marks around it.
Your credibility suffers (if that is even possible at this point).
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)You like apples:
I literally couldn't care less what you and your associates think of me...
And anybody who can read that article and walk away from it without the inference he was alluding to Hillary Clinton shouldn't even get in the same room with the Scholastic Aptitude Test.
How do you like them apples?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...and a DURec
so that everyone can enjoy!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)EOM
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)in a political campaign.
Do you have some umbrage to spare for Hillary's comments on the IWR, Iran, Torture?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)just because of the absolute hilarity of this.
I must say - Hillary supporters are masters of making mountains out of molehills.
It's performance art at this point.
polly7
(20,582 posts)And I own that.
At this point, they have dialed it to 11. I'm seriously wondering how they can top this one.
It's fantastic!
polly7
(20,582 posts)Yay for mysoginistic, sexist, bullying tough guys (I swear, I really saw all that) for saying the word 'butt'! Free entertainment so early in the day, what's not to like?!
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Very upset.
Vinca
(50,302 posts)Not sexist: "let's kick some butt"
Sexist: "let's kick her sweet ass"
"Kick some butt" is a generic phrase uttered mostly by men prior to going into some sort of battle, usually sports related. It has nothing to do with gender.
mythology
(9,527 posts)This is really a silly waste of time. Shocking somebody in a competition wants to win. Kicking butt isn't a threat, it's not sexist, it's just common vernacular.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)People are desperately trying to make it out to be some kind of sexist or strange thing to say. It's not. It's a normal figure of speech.