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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:24 AM Nov 2015

Sure, I want a Male President, BUT NOT JUST ANY MAN!!!!

I want a male President to be a person of reason who knows how to speak to the American People in a way that they are receptive to.

I want a male President who understands compromise.

I want a male President capable of evolution.

I want a male President who has a good relationship with The African American community. One who comes down and visits with us face to face, who we know we can depend on to give us an ear.

I want a male President that understands the issues women face, and is competent in dealing with our issues. Especially one who is sensitive to victims of rape and assault and domestic issues.

I do see one in the race, his name is Martin O'Malley. Although I am voting for Hillary, he is my next choice because of his outstanding policies and his warm manner. If Hillary were not in the race, he would be the best choice.
As things stand, she is in, and her victory will be not only a victory for women in the US, but it will be a victory for all Americans. Vote Hillary 2016!

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Sure, I want a Male President, BUT NOT JUST ANY MAN!!!! (Original Post) bravenak Nov 2015 OP
Wait. What? What about your post after post after post about how much you hated Hillary. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #1
She knows how to CHANGE HEARTS AND MINDS. Vote Hillary!!!! bravenak Nov 2015 #3
How this makes me feel. Bonobo Nov 2015 #6
I was hoping you'd see that bit of sillyness. bravenak Nov 2015 #7
That's it!!!!! I've had it!!!! Bonobo Nov 2015 #9
I know. I feel terrible about this. bravenak Nov 2015 #10
Good Point, Brave! poor things.. it's always.. "but, you didn't like Hillary before so you can't Cha Nov 2015 #20
They just do not believe in EVOLUTION. bravenak Nov 2015 #21
Shows! Cha Nov 2015 #23
They do for Deflection.. to distract from what you're saying. they're disruptors. Cha Nov 2015 #28
I know. Kinda lame, but, it's all they've got. bravenak Nov 2015 #29
"Hillary changes hearts and minds"... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #49
Very interesting. bravenak Nov 2015 #54
Perhaps she evolved. DURHAM D Nov 2015 #5
Thanks SO MUCH for reciting his positive attributes, bravenak. elleng Nov 2015 #2
Everytime I see him, I love him MORE. bravenak Nov 2015 #4
He's a good guy. msrizzo Nov 2015 #77
KnR sheshe2 Nov 2015 #8
. bravenak Nov 2015 #11
Backatcha~ sheshe2 Nov 2015 #12
Speaking of that kind of male frazzled Nov 2015 #13
Exactly, Frazzled. bravenak Nov 2015 #17
Because Sanders wouldn't work for women? eridani Nov 2015 #71
Working for women, like writing an article about women fantasizing about being raped by three men Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #83
Like getting a child molester off on a technicality? eridani Nov 2015 #89
In what capacity was the person getting a child molester off acting? Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #93
As his lawyer eridani Nov 2015 #95
Shhhh JackInGreen Nov 2015 #107
Well spoken. nt Skidmore Nov 2015 #67
Also sounds like you desribed President Obama who we have been so lucky to have all these years, Cha Nov 2015 #14
So true!!! bravenak Nov 2015 #16
I do too, brave.. it speaks to their character. Cha Nov 2015 #22
They are not just doing it for themselves. I love that. bravenak Nov 2015 #24
I don't think Bernie is either. nt SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #48
I have no clue what he is doing. bravenak Nov 2015 #50
Things he does not notice. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #52
Thank you, Susan. bravenak Nov 2015 #53
Thank you, brave. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #56
Oh for goodness sake Kentonio Nov 2015 #69
Please stop getting stressed by my posts. bravenak Nov 2015 #70
Yes, the candidate of "hardworking people, white people" eridani Nov 2015 #72
When was this said? I think you are misquoting, I realize there was an attempted sell of your quote Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #84
In 2008 eridani Nov 2015 #90
ICAM, Bravenak, great post! lunamagica Nov 2015 #15
Thank you! bravenak Nov 2015 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Bernie-2016 Nov 2015 #18
Well said!!!!! NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #25
Thank you!! bravenak Nov 2015 #30
Obama is all that. I want Obama there as long as FDR was. Damn GOP! freshwest Nov 2015 #26
That's what I said, fresh! Cha Nov 2015 #27
Me too. 3 more terms!! bravenak Nov 2015 #31
You know me, already missing him... n/t freshwest Nov 2015 #33
Me too. I get a bit sick thinking about him leaving. bravenak Nov 2015 #35
Great image! nt SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #44
Plus lots and lots Hekate Nov 2015 #45
Thank you! one_voice Nov 2015 #32
You're welcome. bravenak Nov 2015 #34
M'OM is my second choice too. leftofcool Nov 2015 #36
I think he is for alot of us. bravenak Nov 2015 #37
Then you're in luck.... daleanime Nov 2015 #38
You have a good night too! bravenak Nov 2015 #39
Heh. KnR Hekate Nov 2015 #40
Lol! bravenak Nov 2015 #41
*scratches elbow* is there a point to all this? MisterP Nov 2015 #42
O'malley is the only man in the race who is up to my standards. bravenak Nov 2015 #43
Refusal to eject BLM activists at an event not his makes him a lot less macho than Clinton eridani Nov 2015 #74
Jesus. bravenak Nov 2015 #88
Christ. What should he have done? n/t eridani Nov 2015 #92
I like him very much. nt SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #46
I hope more notice him.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #47
The Zeal To Elect A Male President Has Overshadowed The Good Judgement Of Many vorgan24 Nov 2015 #51
It has. bravenak Nov 2015 #55
If Sanders and Clinton completely switched issue positions, I'd switch to Clinton eridani Nov 2015 #73
Word DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #82
Sure, I want a Female President, BUT NOT JUST ANY WOMAN!!!! Kip Humphrey Nov 2015 #57
My OP is a response to that type of post you just wrote. bravenak Nov 2015 #58
"Are you a woman?" no. Are you calling me sexist or pointing out that we find ourselves in a nation Kip Humphrey Nov 2015 #60
Pointing out that we are sexist by default. And that I need to bring it to our attention. bravenak Nov 2015 #63
Ditto. silverweb Nov 2015 #59
Actually, my 2nd choice (per my post) would have been Elizabeth Warren. Kip Humphrey Nov 2015 #61
Understood. silverweb Nov 2015 #62
+1 Marr Nov 2015 #78
Understands compromise? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #64
One has to compromise even within ones own party. bravenak Nov 2015 #65
Yes. Skidmore Nov 2015 #66
I always have to worry about what they will ignore on womens issues. bravenak Nov 2015 #68
Boy, nothing says good will like "We came, we saw, he died." eridani Nov 2015 #75
That people see omissions Skidmore Nov 2015 #86
There are no omissions, as anyone who would bother to check his website could see eridani Nov 2015 #91
Obvious stinkbait is obvious. 99Forever Nov 2015 #76
I really do have much respect for O'Malley and he is the second choice Iliyah Nov 2015 #79
Kick & highly recommended! William769 Nov 2015 #80
O'Malley makes me nervous, he is prone to religious references and his supporters often seem less Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #81
that's just a slur on religious expression bigtree Nov 2015 #97
You might be surprised how many people have had bad experiences with religion and the religious Fumesucker Nov 2015 #123
it's a lousy tactic to attack someone with vague accusations based on their religious belief bigtree Nov 2015 #124
K & R Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #85
Vote Hillary 2016 Gothmog Nov 2015 #87
Enjoyed reading. GOTV. Clinton 2016. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #94
I'm saddened that you are voting for the conservative establishment candidate. Ken Burch Nov 2015 #96
Thank you, Ken. bravenak Nov 2015 #98
Here's a good idea... how about we vote for someone based on their VIEWS not their GENDER/SEX? Fearless Nov 2015 #99
Yes, their FEMINIST views. bravenak Nov 2015 #100
Who are these racists and sexists exactly?? Fearless Nov 2015 #101
Here bravenak Nov 2015 #102
That is someone pointing out how stupid anyone has to be to vote for Hillary based on her Fearless Nov 2015 #103
That is calling blacks stupid. bravenak Nov 2015 #104
No it isn't. Fearless Nov 2015 #105
Yes. It is. bravenak Nov 2015 #106
I'm going to go look for mature conversation somewhere else Fearless Nov 2015 #108
You can leave me alone. It is simple to ignore me. Click ignore by my name. bravenak Nov 2015 #109
I'm not going to ignore you. Fearless Nov 2015 #110
I wish you would. All of the loudest should. Would be nice. bravenak Nov 2015 #111
Are you really saying that you antagonize people to get them to ignore you? Fearless Nov 2015 #112
Saying that if they feel antagonized by truth. They need to ignore me. bravenak Nov 2015 #113
What truth? Fearless Nov 2015 #114
Mine. bravenak Nov 2015 #115
" I take them in and reflect and decide to hit back. " Fearless Nov 2015 #116
What? bravenak Nov 2015 #121
Jury Results tishaLA Nov 2015 #117
Jesus Christ!!! bravenak Nov 2015 #118
well remember, you're the designated angry black lady tishaLA Nov 2015 #119
That actually makes me feel GOOD to think about it like that! bravenak Nov 2015 #120
Hillary stands for nothing but hillary. There is no 'win' with hillary. bowens43 Nov 2015 #122

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
1. Wait. What? What about your post after post after post about how much you hated Hillary.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:28 AM
Nov 2015

How you would never vote for her.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
3. She knows how to CHANGE HEARTS AND MINDS. Vote Hillary!!!!
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:31 AM
Nov 2015

Look, after that disgusting display this summer, I moved on from the group displaying the disgusting behaivior towards blacks. I always believe people when they show me WHO THEY ARE.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
10. I know. I feel terrible about this.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:49 AM
Nov 2015

My hair is pink and I'm going dark blond later, so dip them now while I still have time to fix it.

Cha

(297,574 posts)
20. Good Point, Brave! poor things.. it's always.. "but, you didn't like Hillary before so you can't
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 01:07 AM
Nov 2015
change your mind.. and, I will keep reminding you of it ad ad nauseam because that's all I got!!!"

"Hillary changes hearts and minds".. that's an excellent way to put it.

Cha

(297,574 posts)
28. They do for Deflection.. to distract from what you're saying. they're disruptors.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 01:19 AM
Nov 2015


I swear I have to put that in my sig.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
49. "Hillary changes hearts and minds"...
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 02:24 AM
Nov 2015

Kinda like what rummy said we'd do in Iraq...

Oh, that was winning hearts and minds...

Eh, close enough...same outcome.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
5. Perhaps she evolved.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:32 AM
Nov 2015

It happens and it is considered to be a good thing. The only exception I am aware of is DU.

elleng

(131,077 posts)
2. Thanks SO MUCH for reciting his positive attributes, bravenak.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:30 AM
Nov 2015

As I was reading, I was saying to myself, 'This sounds like Martin O'Malley!' and sure enough, it IS.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
13. Speaking of that kind of male
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 01:00 AM
Nov 2015

It was one of the reasons I was drawn to Barack Obama in 2008, and although I liked and respected Hillary, I threw my lot in with him from the get go, in large measure because he was my senator, and I'd had some positive experiences with him, and because I thought it was important to have a president from the Midwest, because there hadn't been one in like forever, and because he was whip smart and of a new generation.

But the reason I didn't feel bad abandoning the smart, accomplished, perhaps first female president ever was because I sensed in Obama a true understanding of the issues women faced. And I think this was mainly because he grew up in a very matriarchal environment, with his mother and grandmother as his main role models, and because he was still living in a very female environment--married to a strong, accomplished woman and with two young daughters. He reminded me of my own husband, who grew up with a single mother and a sister 9 years his senior (a second mother) and is incredibly respectful of women and concerned with their rights. Men like this "get it." And so I felt it was no abandonment of principle, on the score of feminism, to embrace his candidacy over that of a "real" woman.

I really do think that it is our time to be heard and understood ... if not now, when?



 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
17. Exactly, Frazzled.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 01:05 AM
Nov 2015

I never worried that Obama would be one to use his position of power against women. I sense the same in Martin. They are good men, decent and empathetic.
But now I think it is out time. We need to have a voice in that upper echelon of power, a liberal voice. We have waited too long and we vote.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
71. Because Sanders wouldn't work for women?
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 09:08 AM
Nov 2015

You know there are a whole lot of women who don't work on Wall Street and could use a $15/hr wage. A lot even think that the War on Some Drugs is a bad idea. Too bad Clinton doesn't.

She'll never change my heart and mind around to supporting endless war.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
83. Working for women, like writing an article about women fantasizing about being raped by three men
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 11:07 AM
Nov 2015

at the same time? Hell no, that does not work for me. Shameful, doesn't understand women.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
95. As his lawyer
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:56 AM
Nov 2015
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-stands-by-her-defense-of-1975-rape-suspect/

In a sworn affidavit aiming to coerce a psychiatric evaluation of the sixth-grade victim, Clinton during the case nearly 40 years ago called into question the girl's emotional stability, arguing she had exhibited "a tendency to seek out older men and engage in... fantasizing." She added, citing a child psychology expert that "children in early adolescence tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences and that adolescents with disorganized families, such as the complainant, are even more prone to such behavior."

But in the recording, Clinton indicated she believed her client was indeed guilty. Heard laughing, she said the polygraph test he managed to pass "forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs."

Cha

(297,574 posts)
14. Also sounds like you desribed President Obama who we have been so lucky to have all these years,
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 01:00 AM
Nov 2015

Brave!


The White House Verified account 
?@WhiteHouse "We've...multiplied the power we generate from the sun 20 times over." —@POTUS #ActOnClimate

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/11/06/the-presidents-day-76/





The White House Verified account 
?@WhiteHouse Good news: The unemployment rate is at its lowest level since April 2008 ? http://go.wh.gov/OctJobs


Obama's Call For Women's Equality: 'This Is Simply A Matter Of Right And Wrong'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/08/obama-international-womens-day_n_6826596.html


On This Day: President Obama, First Lady Michelle Obama and their daughters Malia and Sasha board Air Force One at O’Hare International Airport in Chicago on November 7, 2012, en route DC

This is who Bernie wanted to primary.. doesn't say much about his thinking process.

I'm thanking Gov O'Malley for pointing that out at the Dem Forum..

TheObamaDiary.com ?@TheObamaDiary
Martin O’Malley: When PBO was running for re-election I was glad to stand up & support him - unlike Sen Sanders who wanted to primary him 👍🏼
3:33 PM - 6 Nov 2015 68 68 Retweets
58 58 likes

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/11/06/the-presidents-day-76/#comments

Mahalo for your OP!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
16. So true!!!
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 01:01 AM
Nov 2015

Obama and O'Malley stand together on these important issues. I find that kind of respect and loyalty to be admirable.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
50. I have no clue what he is doing.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 02:25 AM
Nov 2015

My issues with him are on the things he does not notice in his focus on the things he cares most about.
It's like having a father who works too hard to notice that your brother, his favorite child, beats the crap outta you while he's gone. When you tell him, he refuses to say anything because he does not want to lose your brother's love.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
52. Things he does not notice.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 02:28 AM
Nov 2015

When brought to his attention, or attempted to be brought to his attention. I so desperately agree.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
69. Oh for goodness sake
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:15 AM
Nov 2015

The one candidate who not only gave BLM the stage to talk, but who then reshaped his campaign to more directly address their issues, and yet you keep repeating this bullshit about him not listening. At least be honest and just say it doesnt matter a damn what he does now, as you're 100% Team Clinton.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
84. When was this said? I think you are misquoting, I realize there was an attempted sell of your quote
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 11:10 AM
Nov 2015

but it is not correct.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
90. In 2008
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:15 AM
Nov 2015

http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/05/clintons-white-americans-008545

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.

Response to bravenak (Original post)

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
32. Thank you!
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 01:23 AM
Nov 2015

I'm an O'Malley person. I like him very much.

In '08 when Hillary and Obama were running my parents were Hillary people until I had them listen to Obama. Then they were Obama people. They're back to Hillary--then they saw O'Malley last night...oops.lol

We'll see how it plays out...


eta: we'll all vote for Hillary if she's the nominee.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
34. You're welcome.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 01:27 AM
Nov 2015

I told myself to remember to talk about Martin and remind folks of how awesome he is. I may be a bit in love. He is Handsome as well as an awesome Democrat. I know, superficial, but yeah. I like him.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
74. Refusal to eject BLM activists at an event not his makes him a lot less macho than Clinton
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 09:18 AM
Nov 2015

If you ain't macho, you can't lead, obviously. Don't think he ever got a child molester off on a technicality either.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
73. If Sanders and Clinton completely switched issue positions, I'd switch to Clinton
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 09:15 AM
Nov 2015

I'm zealous to elect a president who won't cut Social Security, but expand it instead. I swear, sometimes I feel like I'm reading about the Kardashians.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
57. Sure, I want a Female President, BUT NOT JUST ANY WOMAN!!!!
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 02:36 AM
Nov 2015

I want a female President to be a person of reason who knows how to speak to the American People with consistency, authenticity, and integrity.

I want a female President whose principles and integrity guide compromise but themselves are never compromised.

I want a female President capable of peaceful revolution and has the insight to call on the American people to stand united and demand revolutionary change in order to recapture a democratic nation of equal justice, humanity, and opportunity for all its citizens.

I want a female President who has a lifelong history of championing economic and social justice for The African American community. One who carries the words, deeds, and dream of Martin Luther King in living memory and has carried that torch throughout a lifetime of fighting for true equality, justice, and opportunity for all African Americans.

I want a female President that understands that all women have an absolute right of self-determination over the health and well-being of their bodies and minds, and that all women must share in the full rights of equality and protections of person as a prerequisite for a just and equal society, and that all women must enjoy equality of pay and opportunity in the workplace, and that all women must be secure in their person-hood and that of their families.

I don't see such a woman in the race because Elizabeth Warren has refused to run. Although I am voting for Bernie, she would have been my next choice because of her outstanding policies and the fact that her principles and policies cannot be influenced by lobbyists or moneyed interests. If Bernie were not in the race, she would be the best choice.

As things stand, Bernie is the best hope for the 99% to deny the usurpation of democracy by the oligarchs, and his victory will be not only a victory for the middle class in the US, but it will be a victory for all Americans and all peoples of the world to move away from war, the threats of war, the unfolding environmental catastrophe, and the encroaching tyranny of global fascism (i.e., globalism, globalization, corporatocracy, corporate sovereignty) . Vote Bernie Sanders 2016!



 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
58. My OP is a response to that type of post you just wrote.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 02:40 AM
Nov 2015

Are you a woman? How many male presdents got headlines like this one I wrote? None. That's how many. How many times has Hillary gotten these types of ops? Hundreds. Sexism. Done. Not having it.
It will be real miserable around here if I must point out sexism constantly. But I WILL for my own sanity.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
60. "Are you a woman?" no. Are you calling me sexist or pointing out that we find ourselves in a nation
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 03:15 AM
Nov 2015

and society that has forever been sexist? I agree our nation has been and continues to be sexist from its founding - a reality that MUST change and I hope WILL change in my lifetime. Frankly, I find virtually all of the ills of our nation and society to be the consequence of macho, testosterone-laden, emotionally handicapped, hyper-competitive men and that is reason enough that I prefer and seek out the company of emotionally mature, well-reasoned, common sense women as friends and co-equals in my life. If you find that sexist, live with it.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
59. Ditto.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 03:05 AM
Nov 2015

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]O'Malley is my 2nd choice, too - after [font color="purple"]Bernie!

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
61. Actually, my 2nd choice (per my post) would have been Elizabeth Warren.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 03:19 AM
Nov 2015

O'Malley is a strong progressive voice but I lived in Baltimore for 25 years.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
62. Understood.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 03:22 AM
Nov 2015

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]But Elizabeth isn't running, so that leaves O'Malley.

We're on the same page.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
64. Understands compromise?
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:10 AM
Nov 2015

The Republicans don't compromise. You cannot make deals with people who will not compromise.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
66. Yes.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:51 AM
Nov 2015

So much of my choice when it comes to the male candidates has to do with the omissions, the blind spots. My first choice is Hillary, and my second is O'Malley. There is a depth of understanding and goodwill that I find lacking elsewhere.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
75. Boy, nothing says good will like "We came, we saw, he died."
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 09:30 AM
Nov 2015

I find nothing that Sanders has omitted that concerns me. And he's never gotten a child molester off on a technicality either

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
86. That people see omissions
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 11:38 AM
Nov 2015

should be concerning you. That you do not recognize their feedback and take it on board is concerning too.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
91. There are no omissions, as anyone who would bother to check his website could see
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:20 AM
Nov 2015

People who see omissions are not policy junkies, so that is to be expected.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/
OK, he left off marijuana legalization and ending the War on Some Drugs. Didn't mention single payer explicitly either, but these things are subheadings.

Income and Wealth Inequality
It’s Time to Make College Tuition Free and Debt Free
Getting Big Money Out of Politics
Creating Decent Paying Jobs
A Living Wage
Climate Change & Environment
Racial Justice
A Fair and Humane Immigration Policy
Fighting for Women’s Rights
Fighting for LGBT Equality
Caring for our Veterans
Strengthen and Expand Social Security
Fighting to Lower Prescription Drug Prices
Reforming Wall Street
Real Family Values
War and Peace
War Should Be the Last Option: Why I Support the Iran Deal

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
79. I really do have much respect for O'Malley and he is the second choice
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:11 AM
Nov 2015

No hesitation about President Obama. No hesitation about SOS Clinton.

One of many evolutions I made, pro-LGBT. I was totally against them but have seen the light.

Kick and Recommend

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
81. O'Malley makes me nervous, he is prone to religious references and his supporters often seem less
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:28 AM
Nov 2015

than inclusive. More of the 'we used to hate the gays' cohort that I'm really tired of. It's a part of the Party I'm just sick of.

There are things I like about him, but I don't care for the posing candidates much with 'the look' and his guitar strapped on. Seems contrived. Affected. Sleeves rolled up just so. Not too much, not too little. Just so.
if I want a clothing model I'll call Ford Models like a normal person...
http://models.fordmodels.com/



bigtree

(86,005 posts)
97. that's just a slur on religious expression
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 03:40 AM
Nov 2015

...no specifics,just your own bias against expressions of faith. The segregation era civil rights movement, on which many fights for individual rights have been based, was church-based.

In addition, many of the ideals O'Malley has outlined as his priority (the absolute opposite of what you're labeling him with) stem from the Jesuit tradition of service which he was schooled in...

For O'Malley, Jesuit Tradition of 'Man for Others' Guides Political Values

(Martin O'Malley) says that a value system based on his Catholic faith and honed by a Jesuit education at Gonzaga College High School in Washington, D.C has been at the heart of his political career. He says he learned not merely to have faith in God and in his own ability to help others, but to act on his principles and risk failure.

Gonzaga, from which he graduated in 1981, put O'Malley in an urban setting that exposed him to homelessness and economic depredation. The school, O'Malley said, not only instituted a rigorous Jesuit academic culture, but tried to produce "men for others."

"I remember coming in from the suburbs and seeing the blight as we filed by lines of homeless people," O'Malley recalls. But it was in that environment where he says he learned from one of his mentors, the late Rev. Horace B. McKenna, S.J., what public service was all about.

McKenna, who served as a priest at a Gonzaga-affiliated church and founded a center for the needy in its basement, worked tirelessly to "give aid and comfort to the area's homeless," O'Malley said. If they had drug problems, he would "challenge them to take control of their lives" by stamping out their addictions.

But it wasn't from second hand experience where Gonzaga wanted its young men to learn to become good people. The school pushed students to reach out to the local community.

O'Malley enrolled in a seminar that split time between discussing issues of social justice inside the classroom and tutoring inner city children outside of it.

read more: http://somd.com/news/headlines/2006/4711.shtml



Martin O'Malley was recently asked whether his Catholic faith was at odds with his support for marriage equality.

O'Malley, a possible Democratic presidential candidate, campaigned for passage of and signed a bill making Maryland the eighth state to legalize gay nuptials. Three years later, gay couples can marry in 37 states, plus the District of Columbia.

In a recent interview with The Des Moines Register, O'Malley was asked how he reconciles his Catholic faith and support for marriage equality.

“I believe in the dignity of every person,” O'Malley answered. “And I believe that while we're all free to practice our religion and to hold whatever religious beliefs we choose, I think we can all agree that every child's home deserves to be protected equally under the law. That there is dignity in every child's home.”

“And so, I've found that the passage of marriage equality actually squares with the most important social teachings of my faith, which is to believe in the dignity of every person and to believe in our own responsibility to advance the common good.”

“And part of that advancement means changing laws when they are unjust,” he added.

http://www.ontopmag.com/article/20606/Martin_OMalley_Marriage_Equality_Squares_With_Most_Important_Social_Teachings_Of_Catholicism



and here's O'Malley talking to clergy at the Maryland Marriage Equality Prayer Breakfast...


Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
123. You might be surprised how many people have had bad experiences with religion and the religious
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 08:01 AM
Nov 2015

Religion is not an innate characteristic, spirituality probably is innate but religion is something one learns, like racism.

It's not just coincidence that atheists/agnostics are the group in America who know the most about religion with Jews and Mormons coming in close behind, all groups that have seen and still see significant bigotry against them for religious reasons.

http://www.pewforum.org/2010/09/28/u-s-religious-knowledge-survey/



bigtree

(86,005 posts)
124. it's a lousy tactic to attack someone with vague accusations based on their religious belief
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 09:28 AM
Nov 2015

...many more people are persecuted and maligned for expressions of their faith.

Religion is not like racism. That's a false and lousy analogy.

Instead of the innuendo, which, in this case, is basically a vile attempt at character assassination (in a political context), try talking about what O'Malley has actually said and done.

Did you miss the reality I posted that marriage equality advocates also pray?

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
96. I'm saddened that you are voting for the conservative establishment candidate.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 03:36 AM
Nov 2015

You have the right to vote for whoever you want, but it feels like you're letting your anger make you give up and support a candidate who can't care about you.

I respect you, and I'm sorry for the words of those who drove you to this decision.


 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
98. Thank you, Ken.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 03:43 AM
Nov 2015

I will gladly vote for Bernie if he is the candidate, though. You know I wanted him first.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
99. Here's a good idea... how about we vote for someone based on their VIEWS not their GENDER/SEX?
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 03:50 AM
Nov 2015


Mind blowing, I know.
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
100. Yes, their FEMINIST views.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 03:56 AM
Nov 2015

Inclusive views. Somebody who will say 'knock it off!', to the racists and sexists within their midst.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
101. Who are these racists and sexists exactly??
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 04:03 AM
Nov 2015

You're the one telling people to vote based on gender/sex.

What does that make you?

Seriously now.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
103. That is someone pointing out how stupid anyone has to be to vote for Hillary based on her
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 04:09 AM
Nov 2015

Views of POC.

She insulted BLM. She had them removed from her event. She met with them and INSULTED them again.

She supports a prison system that HURTS POC.

She supports the death penalty which is disproportionately used AGAINST POC.

She is against free tuition to public colleges, which again HURTS POC.

She does not believe in universal single payer health care, which, you guessed it, again HURTS POC.

She won't even decry the gutting of welfare her husband did, it doesn't even AFFECT her, but it does HURT POC.


Yet she's the lord and savior of all black people?

Give me a break.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
105. No it isn't.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 04:11 AM
Nov 2015

People are individuals.

A white person who is not in the 1% is equally stupid for voting for her than a POC not in the 1%.

This has nothing to do with fucking race or ethnicity of ANY kind.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
108. I'm going to go look for mature conversation somewhere else
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 04:17 AM
Nov 2015

I have no interest in a "nuh-uh/yah-huh" back and forth. You bring nothing to the table to support your candidate. Your evidence is laughable at best and not even coherent at worst. No one is attacking you. No one you've called a racist is a racist. And voting for Hillary because Bernie is too far right is the most fucking mind numbingly, absurdly, convoluted thing I've ever heard. Ever.

Good night.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
111. I wish you would. All of the loudest should. Would be nice.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 04:27 AM
Nov 2015

A few have so far. Bliss. So happy. If I Could just get the rest to, sigh, heaven.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
114. What truth?
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 04:46 AM
Nov 2015

That the fact that you're voting for Hillary because Bernie is "too far to your right"?

While it is certainly a fact that you've said it, it doesn't make the statement any more true.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
115. Mine.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 04:48 AM
Nov 2015

I'm doing it for all of the insults i get on a daily. I take them in and reflect and decide to hit back.

You ever read my grudges poem? Hold on. Let me get it.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
117. Jury Results
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 05:14 AM
Nov 2015

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

" I take them in and reflect and decide to hit back. " The poster is LITERALLY saying that they attack other DUers. Why is this acceptable??

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Nov 10, 2015, 04:00 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Yes, I suggest we delete every attack on DU. Including alerts designed to do just that.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh, FFS. Take a break.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh, but apparently there are no targeted alert swarms on anyone

Whoever alerted on this should be banned.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
119. well remember, you're the designated angry black lady
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 05:19 AM
Nov 2015

in your leather trench coat and Angela Davis fro!

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