And when you fight Wall Street, and fight for the Left, you don't get many crooked congresspeople lining up with you.

It is a whole lot easier to pass bills when they favor the 1%. So, Bernie works on quality rather than quantity.

It's easy to get crap passed in congress when you are doing work for the rich. Like Hillary did.

When you fight for the powerless, and against the crooked elites who have almost ruined this country, you don't get much help from the rich and powerful. Duh!

Addressing those issues in 8 years than Bernie did in 25. Hint: go look at her bills.

You mean the bills that allowed the banksters to walk away with all the money? Yep, she was some success. The banksters paid her back, big time. And then she got TPP up and running and now she says she is against it?

Sorry JV, your support for H>, I ain't buying.

Hint: banks paid back their loans. Keep trying.

My gawd, now you are supporting the banksters after they ripped off thousands of homeowners and crashed the economy?

Please, stop. Just stop.

You are a very untrustworthy souce, since you always support one person no matter what the issues. You could be replaced with a simple, BASIC program and it would carry the same amount of information:

10 PRINT "HILLARY IS GOOD"
20 GOTO 10

and whoopie!

So she was able to hitch onto other bills...how nice.

I like the assumption that we didn't read the article. Parks and Banks what a record.

It's much better to take the word of someone who is in the tank for Hillary rather than do your own research.

For starters...

Nice try though

Not exactly quality, but I guess it pays the bills.

Surely you would be willing to give him credit for helping vets, Janey?

that's why you have to ask....big hauls there....for 25 yrs of work. The Republicans will stand 4 square against those!

What is Hillary Clinton's signature legislation?

I also note that he cast many votes that represented the wishes of his constituents. His job, you know. But that also goes for HRC so it is irrelevant to mention. It just means we should evaluate their voting records as well (which HRC fails at on progressive issues)

bills. In Bernie's case, a big one is that he is the one that added to the ACA bill -- his provision provides funding for community health centers across the country. Interestingly, when they were speaking to Larry King, both Kerry's spoke of the ACA bill - Teresa spoke of the community health centers being one of the best things in the bill.

And I thought the meme was Bernie didn't do anything in 25 years, are you now saying that's not true?

I can't keep up with the moving goal posts.

I'm sure you'll appreciate those just as much.

You're welcome!

Some people don't care what they drag back to DU as long as it suits their purpose.

Pointing out and debunking inaccuracies. Go for it.

Because they think it helps their candidate.

You go girl!

Most don't pass.

Bookmarking for the next time a HC supporter has a fit over questionable sources.

If you can't debunk it then perhaps you're only concerned about echo chambers.

Seems to be a pattern with you.

I can't wait to see what you'll use next.

Probably a higher rate of passing them, too.

Bernie is a workhorse. Hillary is a showhorse.

Here let me help...you said: "Probably a higher rate of passing them, too."

its bullshit!

I suggest you learn it.

like Bernie did...

Anyways, it's fact that he passed more amendments. Bernie has a lot more accomplishments than your candidate.

its an unsubstantiated claim...at best.

and "my candidate"....has not made a career of being in the Senate (25 yrs worth)

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

They said they are throwing their backing behind someone that will look out for their interests and fight successfully for their cause....that would be Hillary's record of accomplishments.

If you watched the HELP committee (or the Finance committee) you would have seen the committee vote on adding various things - sometimes the chair simply added other things with the agreement of all.

One thing added this way to ACA was Bernie's funding for community health centers. This is a very important part of the bill for some parts of the country.

Wish I had one of those little bugs to run all over the page.

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At least we agree on that.

Since I seem to have your attention, I am still waiting for a direct answer to a question I asked you several days ago. You did nothing but evade and then *crickets*.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=771128


Are you afraid to answer that question or are you really full of the same thing she is?

She brought a bill to the floor the equivalent of every 2 days.

Rand Paul calls Hillary Clinton a ‘neoconservative’ in foreign policy

Hillary’s emails show paranoia about GOP

Hispanics question Clinton after flip-flop on licenses for illegal immigrants


If you're going to cite right wing hit pieces on DU you really shouldn't be choosy.

Looks like the authors have been busy.

Care to debunk anything in THIS article though?

I'm just enjoying the hypocrisy.

Sanders has only been a senator for less than 8 years (not 9 as the article suggests).

Furthermore, his overall career in Congress had about the same period of time controlled by the Democratic party as Clinton. This matters since he caucused with the Dems and the controlling party is usually the one who sets the agenda and submits bills to be voted on.

During their Senate terms Sanders had 6 years with a Democratically Controlled Senate. Clinton had 5.
During Sanders house term there were only 2 years with a Democratically Controlled House.

When you factor in his amendments, he did about the same amount of bill submissions as Clinton did in the same period of time. Given the fact that he was an Independent, this shows how much the party valued his ideas.

2015. He spent a lot of time without bills and then tried to correct it when he decided to run for president. Too little, too late. Clinton sponsored a bill which would tie minimum wages to congressional raises, it did not pass but she was trying. She was also a sponsor to the last national minimum wage increase. Shows she cares about little folks.

Hillary passed the same amount of bills in 8 years that Bernie did in 25 years.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/27/bernie-sanders-record-in-congress-shows-little-soc/?page=all

that was a heavy lift huh?

I think even Ben Carson could get that passed.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/senate-passes-veterans-health-care-bill

^snip^


Senate Passes Veterans Health Care Bill
Thursday, July 31, 2014

WASHINGTON, July 31 – The Senate tonight approved and sent to President Barack Obama a bill to improve access to health care for veterans and reform the Department of Veterans Affairs.

Crafted by the Senate and House Veterans’ Affairs Committee chairmen – Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Jeff Miller (R-Fla.) – the $16.3 billion bill passed the Senate by a vote of 91-3. The House of Representatives voted 420-5 on Wednesday to approve the same measure.

“This bill keeps our commitment to the men and women who put their lives on the line to defend our country. It makes certain that we address the immediate crisis of veterans being forced onto long waiting lists for health care. It strengthens the VA so that it will be able to hire the doctors, nurses and medical personnel it needs so we can permanently put an end to the long waiting lists. It addresses the very serious problem of accountability and makes certain that dishonest and incompetent senior officials do not remain employed at the VA,” Sanders said.

The measure provides $5 billion for the VA to recruit more doctors, nurses and other medical providers to care for the surging number of veterans returning from wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.






Lets face it. Hillary helped create a problem (with her 19 minute speech and vote in favor of the war in Iraq) and Bernie is helping solve it, with this law.

Please provide something Hillary has done as Senator which even compares to this or admit you are wrong.

Thanks.

Read the article.

Rack up them bills, baby.

Maybe....... Wow

Wow......unreal.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/21/413141/-Hillary-Clinton-Empty-Pantsuit-Her-Track-Record-from-the-Senate


^snip^

Hillary Clinton, Empty Pantsuit: Her Track Record from the Senate

By poblano
Wednesday Nov 21, 2007 3:16 AM EST




Before we begin, let's consider some definitions of leadership and effectiveness in the Senate. Although there are many types of leadership in the Senate, I think we can all agree that sponsoring more bills that become law, all else being equal, is an indicator of influence and leadership. Likewise, I think we can also agree that having a higher percentage of one's bills become law, all else being equal, is an indicator of effectiveness.

As measured by these definitions, Hillary Clinton's leadership over her seven years in the Senate has been marginal, and her effectiveness over her Senate terms has been extremely poor. In fact, she has a remarkably poor track record at turning her sponsored legislation into law, to the extent that she's an outlier among her Democratic colleagues. Of 337 bills that Hillary has introduced, only 2 have become law. These numbers are always lower than you'd think -- it isn't easy to get a bill passed -- but Hillary's batting average is especially poor.

Let's take a look at some detail.

GovTrack.us, an award-winning, non-partisan source of information on our legislators, has compiled a number of statistics related to bill sponsorship in the House and Senate. These statistics go back to 1997, and include such things as the number of bills sponsored, the number of sponsored bills that go to committee, and the number of sponsored bills that are passed into law. For the remainder of this analysis, I will be focusing solely on current senate Democrats who have completed at least one full term (I'm including Joseph Lieberman here, but not Bernie Sanders). There are 3938 such Senators in all. (The reason I'm excluding Republicans, FWIW, is that it's much easier to have one's bills become law when one's party controls the chamber, as the Republicans have for most of the past ten years. Therefore, it isn't fair to any Democrat to compare their numbers to a Republican).

Hillary Clinton has introduced bills to the Senate at a blistering pace. She has sponsored 337 bills in her Senate tenure so far, or an average of 288.9 per term. This is the highest number of any of her Democratic cohorts:

Clinton - 288.9 bills sponsored per term (337 in 1.17 terms)
Feinstein - 288.8 bills sponsored per term (528 in 1.83 terms)
Schumer - 218.2 bills sponsored per term (400 in 1.83 terms)
Bingaman - 196.9 bills sponsored per term (361 in 1.83 terms)
Boxer - 180.0 bills sponsored per term (330 in 1.83 terms)
AVERAGE - 122.1 bills sponsored per term

Nelson/NE - 52.3 bills sponsored per term (61 in 1.17 terms)
Byrd - 28.4 bills sponsored per term (52 in 1.83 terms)
Unfortunately, very little of this legislation has moved. Of Hillary's 337 bills, only 46 have made it to the Committee stage, giving her a 13.6% batting average; the typical Democrat has a 17.4% batting average. In other words, Hillary Clinton has been relatively ineffective at getting her sponsored bills to Committee; she ranks 24 of the 39 Democrats in this department.

Good find!

And it's from a liberal source not a right wing paper.

I like using KoS as a source whenever I can and when it is among the top 5 results in a search I tend to go with it.

How many benefited the rest of us without a give a way to the 1%?

She introduced 409 bills on which she was the lead sponsor, and three became law: renaming a post office, naming a highway and establishing a national historic site in Troy, New York, to recognize female labor leader Kate Mullany.

If I were a Hillary supporter I may have thought a few times before posting that link.

I am not sure that's accurate though. I think she also got bills passed commemorating the anniversary of the American revolution and Harriet Tubman's birthday.

Sanders accomplished much more than that.

veteran's bill and one of the amendments he passed (to the ACA) was about community health centers. He also got an audit of the Fed. All were more important than re-naming a post office, ffs.

Co-sponsoring don't impress me much. It's not much more significant than voting for a bill.

Idle hands are the devil's workshop.

It's nice to know these people can support the Democrat after the 2016 primary. But, I wouldn't count on them being in charge of qualitative information.

She was only in govt 8 years.

as to both Hillary and Bernie.

GREAT op!

The post office or the highway?

Be careful what you wish for, Janey.

Damn, you go girl!

I bow to the master of research!

Been a while since I did.

DU has become so ridiculous, my research now has devolved mostly to looking for images and emoticons.

Would you believe someone thought re-naming a post office = bragging rights? Unf*ckingreal.

Not to mention the info in the OP article is not correct. Washington Times. And they complain about our sources!

If not for the food fights and supporting my peeps I wouldn't even bother with this forum.

Oh and challenging the lies, that's always important work.

I salute you!

Don't mind me. I've become very cynical.

And you probably have as well, it helps morale.

I can't always rise to the occasion but I'm damned glad you and other supporters are around to set the record straight.

I refuse to be intimidated by the swarm.

came from Bernie supporters who will support him anyway. IOW, I think we're all preaching to the choir and always have been.

As I said, don't pay any attention to me. I've become very cynical about DU, among other things. I don't want to discourage anyone else or spoil anyone else's enjoyment.

So even though you don't realize it at the time people do appreciate what you're doing.

I know I do.




And I hear you about being cynical, this thread was enjoyable but reading the rest of the forum is like hearing nails on a chalkboard.

But we should knock it off, we evil Bernie supporters have our images to worry about.

If people see us making nice we could blow it.

And I am unanimous in that!

it for its first 10 or 11 years. That was not the only thing he did in Congress, of course, but that alone was damned significant.

Renaming a post office? Poster, please.

"Edit History"

Thanks for making me laugh by giving new meaning to that down thar.

DOLLAR BILLS

ZZZZINNGGGGG

getting a bill even advanced that upsets the apple cart.

stick. Maybe it will impress and you won't look like a jackass.

ineffective" thread? Maybe both?

Here I am stuck in the middle with you!

High school, good times...

Sanders is just now submitting as if it makes him so righteous. He is just opportunistic & doing it bc he thinks it will help his campaign. If not he would have submitted them a long time ago.

was from 2007 through 2010 that the Republicans began to use the filibuster fiendishly
in their attempt to block just about everything the Democrats were attempting to
accomplish -- 400+ filibusters during Obama's first term alone. Before 2007 Bernie
was in the House of Representatives for 16 years.

And compare the type of bills each was trying to get passed. Numbers alone don't
say much.

You seem to be so desperate about trying to prove something about Hillary.