It won't be hell for Hillary and her friends the 1%. So why the hell would anyone else vote for her?

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You sure about that?

And has declined ever since...

And yet we want to nominate more of the same?

all other unions supported Carter.

was a very rare occurrence before then, and definitely contributed to Reagan's victory over Carter.

A very similar occurrence happened with Scott Brown:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704423204575017690900226982

Regardless, my comment was not as much about that as being specifically directed at the post which implied that Hillary would be more of the same toward labor as Reagan, and that simply is not accurate.

The observation of the poster that labor was on the decline after Reagan was elected, is supported by the facts, which compounded the tragedy for labor. It was the comment made about Hillary in the same post, that prompted my post, and the fact that if labor actually believes that ANY Democrat running for President, including Hillary, would be the same or worse than any of the republicans running, then history could repeat itself

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1986. Which means the senior execs started increasing their own compensation while cutting the wage earners'!.

Tax cuts are very bad for the economy, at least at the level of taxation we have now.

and our middle class.

Factories closed due to our trade agreements.

The result of "free" trade for Americans has been devastating.

That is what that chart reveals.

So, yes, we were better off with Reagan before we granted favored nation status to China and increased trade with it and before NAFTA.

That is why we don't want the TPP. We need to recover from our existing trade agreements first.

until there were over 30,000 Americans dead, until it had spread to over 100 countries and taken root as the devastating pandemic it continues to be today. Today, Nov 11, 2014 about 3,500 people in African will die of AIDS, over 100,000 per month, every month.

You say you were better off, but I spent my spare time protesting his sick policies, opposing his Union Busting, opposing his war on drugs and minority communities, attending funerals and giving money to those who were unemployed or too sick to work.

You might hate hearing this but the election of Bill Clinton was the best news many of us had had in 12 horrifying years.

Clinton signed major trade agreements that caused the income level to decline and began an extremely rapid exodus of jobs from the US. Factories began to close.

The economic disaster was in my opinion based on what I read beginning in the early 1970s, planned long before Clinton signed the agreements.

These economic events had nothing at all to do with the AIDS crisis.

I worked to get Bill Clinton elected.

He did a lot of good things. His acquiescence to a right-wing trade policy was, however, horrible. Ross Perot was the politician who warned about the trade agreements.

Reagan was worse on economics than Clinton, but the trade agreements, while probably negotiated in part during his presidency and certainly discussed in Congress during his presidency (I remember that very well) were not signed and did not begin to rip our economy apart until Clinton's era.

Please do not misunderstand me or put words into my mouth.

Reagan was worse than Clinton, but the closing of factories due to trade policies took off during Clinton's presidency.

We had a recession during Reagan's presidency and the mergers and acquisitions frenzy as well as the S&L crisis began during Reagan's presidency, but the economic exodus of jobs became really terrible under Clinton's presidency.

Clinton did a poor job of managing the economy, but Reagan and George H. W. Bush with their trickle down theory were horrible too.

I'm hoping Bernie will be elected. He is about our only hope for a return to sanity with regard to our economy.

And that is really a bad sign because he is a socialist. If we need a socialist to return our country to economic sanity, our capitalists have really messed us up.

Bernie's democratic socialism is, of course, foremost democratic. I have nothing against it, but it shows you how our capitalists have failed us that so many millenials and so many Democrats like me are supporting Bernie.

After decades of privatization and factory closings and excessive imports, of serious balance of trade deficits and economic chaos and anti-American policies by our government mixed with excessive spending on the military, Americans who understand what has happened and why are simply fed up with the status quo.

Reagan's AIDS policies were despicable, ignorant and intolerant. But what do you expect from someone like Reagan.

I think Bernie combines good social policies with economic policies that will be far healthier than those we are following now.

Feel the Bern!

Hillary will become the 45th President of the United States.
The country will not collapse, people will not suddenly become poverty stricken slaves to their corporate masters.
We will have a battle on our hands to take back our democracy but if enough of us vote for a Dem government we can do a lot together.

Do we want "Economic-Elite Domination" or "Majoritarian Electoral Democracy"?

Those aren't just buzzwords, they describe a massive distortion in the fabric of this society.


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It's unfortunate there are so many who buy into and participate in the facade. We must take money out of the equation if our democracy is to survive. I have joined our state level WolfPac campaign to help make that so. To date, it's the only serious grassroots effort that has been organized to tackle this problem. After Citizens United, a Constitutional Amendment is our only avenue left.

On Democratic Underground. Go figure.

Yet another non-post post. You guys really need new material ... the same old same old is getting boring.

I will vote Democratic......period.

It is to laugh.

I don't disagree, however there are zero votes to gain with this post on this particular site. No opinions will be changed.



Bernie is fighting for the people at bottom. He has spent a lifetime fighting for all that get pounded on through wages, racism, sexism, ageism.... Hell, add any ism. Bernie has fought for the greater good every time.

Bernie 2016.

Fact, Bernie Sanders believes a $15 an hour minimum wage will revolutionize the country. He's right, millions will be added to our economy, millions will be added to our entitlements, and millions will rebuild our infrastructure.

Any businessperson knows the first rule of business.... it takes money to make money.

Let's demand a fair wage so we can afford to pay into the system that supports the entire US. The same system that gives billions in subsidies to billionaires.


Do I disagree with your post? No, not even a little bit.

However, there is a better way.

We are already slaves to our corporate masters. Take the media for example. There are only about 5 major companies that control what news we see and hear. Have you noticed? Do you hear stories from ABC or CBS about jobs going to China? You would be hard pressed to tell us any one of these networks does a story on families that struggle on minimum wage jobs. I would hate to think of what her Justice Department/SC picks would look like. Did you hear the story of the Supreme Courts ruling on police authority if a suspect runs from a police officer? According to the SC they can shoot you--dead. Period. That was their ruling today. Case is from Texasistan--aka Texas. Go look it up. I'm disgusted but not surprised.

I will not vote for the lesser of 2 corporate evils.

Actually, it would be "President Clinton".

Looks like someone's mask slipped a little.

Mr. Omalley is not gaining any traction.

If I were you, and you all have said to not vote for the lesser of two evils, here it is. If Mrs. Clinton is the Democratic nominee, Americans need to come out and vote for her. Imagine a Republican becoming President, that is not a viable at all.

No matter how Mrs. Clinton seems unlikely, a republican president is not someone you want! This is just my opinion!

In fact it does just the opposite. They stand a far greater chance of attracting support for Bernie from others at DU, if they extoll the virtues of what a Sander's Presidency would be, rather than this constant sniping.

It happens on both sides, and I have no doubt one is a defensive mechanism against the other, but it really accomplishes very little except to piss each other off

I really like him and his policies.

O'Malley as much as I like a new face, he is not gaining any traction.

I have no idea if Mrs. Clinton can sway voters to come out and vote. So many distractions right now in the US with immigration, Trump wall against Mexicans and everything else. Mexicans are not the only people who are entering America illegally and I have no idea why Trump dislike Mexicans so much.

I'm hopeful they'll be covered under the ACA for these illnesses.

Her voting for the Iraq War, and refusing to walk back that vote--even after ALL DEMOCRATS understood that it was a lie-based farce--was very disappointing.

Taking Super PAC money and huge sums from Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan--while doing nothing about big-bank abuses and refusing to reinstate Glass Steagall--that was also very disappointing.

I know what a courageous, female Democrat who fights for the middle class and takes on the big banks looks like--that's Elizabeth Warren.

Hillary hasn't stuck her neck out for any of the big causes in which we truly need Democrats to step up to the plate.

Her $12 an hour minimum wage idea is not enough.

We are almost past the point of no return in this country. The corporations have the system they want in place. They've purchased our politicians, including Hillary who takes PAC money and special-interest money. We need a leader who will stand up to this bullshit and break up the stranglehold that these corporations have on our democracy.

We don't need someone who participates in it--does NOTHING to stop it.

It's not about personalities. It's not about Hillary Clinton. It's about the future of this country and who will make meaningful real change.

That must be very frustrating for you.

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Did you hear that Al Gore isn't endorsing anyone yet and Bernie supporters are celebrating like it's Christmas? Desperate, sad, delusional and LOUD!

Bernie supporters are few. We had our big County Democratic meeting this weekend...not one Bernie supporter in the group.

All they have left is attacking Hillary on the internet as their hopes slip away.

silliness like this with every passing poll showing the Sanders campaign stalling.

EOM

Sid

So little time.