2016 Postmortem
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Nov 9: McClatchy/Marist Poll: Hillary Clinton Leads All Republicans Nationally.
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton McClatchy/Marist Clinton 56, Trump 41 Clinton +15
General Election: Carson vs. Clinton McClatchy/Marist Carson 48, Clinton 50 Clinton +2
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton McClatchy/Marist Clinton 50, Rubio 45 Clinton +5
General Election: Bush vs. Clinton McClatchy/Marist Clinton 52, Bush 44 Clinton +8
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton McClatchy/Marist Clinton 53, Cruz 43 Clinton +10
General Election: Fiorina vs. Clinton McClatchy/Marist Clinton 53, Fiorina 43 Clinton +10
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)And tends to do better in other ones.
bvf
(6,604 posts)the absence of a link in the OP.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)So just vote Democratic in the GE, and in the primaries vote for whomever you think is best suited for the job.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,861 posts)that I am not smart enough to pick the correct candidate...
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)I don't see Sanders in any of those stats.
I guess I only have one option. Cancel the Super Tuesday party, it's already been decided before a single vote has been cast. Hell, let's just cancel the primary!
I also don't see Kasich. That is one scary fuck that may just come from behind. Don't forget 2012 when every candidate from the R party held the lead at one point or another.
PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)Clinton would defeat Carson by 2 percentage points, Rubio by 5; Bush by 8; Cruz or Fiorina by 10; and Trump by 15.
Sanders would lose to Carson by 2 percentage points and defeat Rubio by 3, Bush by 10, Cruz or Trump by 12, and Fiorina by 14.
Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article43495575.html#storylink=cpy
daybranch
(1,309 posts)Not even the most ignorant among us, actually believe Carson with his stupid statements and lies could even get nominated. If Clinton is now only projected to beat loser Carson by 2 percentage points, with all her name recognition and supposed lock on African American and Latino votes, and a woman to boot, I would look for a stronger candidate. People know more about Clinton everyday and much of what they learn is depressing to say the least. Bernie meanwhile continues to gain supporters and popularity.
But even I could not believe hillary would only beat Carson by 2 points. I would suspect something like 10 or 15 for either Clinton or Bernie as a margin of victory over Carson.
And then again elections are not decided by percentage votes but rather by voting of the electoral college and it is clear democrats now have that race locked up. You did notice how big Obama's lead in the electoral college was ?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Hillary is not a very strong candidate.
The hype about Hillary is not selling.
She comes across as mostly ambitious for herself.
Bernie comes across as ambitious for our country and the American people.
The reason Bernie does so well with millenials is that he is like your favorite professor, brilliant, knows his stuff, works hard, always has time for you and only wants YOUR SUCCESS. That's Bernie. That's why we love him.
He wants America's success.
The videos of him that Mother Jones has posted that are from his days as a mayor of Burlington explain why the people of Vermont elect and re-elect him.
Bernie is uniquely dedicated to the good of our country.
Feel the Bern!
These polls are not really that great for Hillary.
If the Democrats really wanted to win in 2016, they would have scheduled more debates so that the nation could get to know the Democratic candidates. And they would have scheduled more of the debates on week nights and not when Americans are out and doing their Christmas shopping and partying on the weekends.
The Democratic Party is fixing for a defeat just like in 2014 and that makes me very, very sad. Hillary is not a strong candidate. She should be doing much better than these polls show against that crew of clowns on the Republican side.
Debbie Wasserman-Schulz should resign now and let someone who knows what she/he is doing manage the party.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)opponents. The polls show just how weak the traditional Republicans are.
I'd like to see how Bernie does against these Republicans.
There is no link to the above polls, so I don't know whether they polled for Bernie or not.
No link makes the poll results look suspicious. Maybe Bernie does just as well or better.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)and whose slogan is "Anybody but Bernie or O'Malley".
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)against Bush, Cruz or Fiorina
My only real point being the cherry-picking of polls to try and convince other people that supporting someone other than Hillary means the Democrats will lose. Both Clinton and Sanders look good against most Republicans, the only one Sanders losing to being Ben Carson - but two points either way to me is still a toss-up. I just hate intellectual dishonesty and that's what the OP was.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and I also hate intellectual dishonesty.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Much more information there, and again, it's no surprise the OP didn't include it.
imthevicar
(811 posts)NOT! this is a fail!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)oasis
(49,408 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)oasis
(49,408 posts)in the polls between her and the other two candidates.
At some point in the campaign you will come to the realization that Hillary will be the Democratic nominee, and then, U.S. President.
Visualize Democratic sucess. I guarantee it will make you fell better about the upcoming 2016 Genaral Election.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)by the R's, and the distrust of her by independents and millenials.
As for me, I can visualize a Hillary presidency- it means the continuing decline of the middle class. No meaningful change for wallstreet or the too big to fail banks, & consolidated control of our democracy by the oligarchy.
oasis
(49,408 posts)aren't they her natural allies in the "control of our democracy by the oligarchy"?
Hmmmmm.
Ino
(3,366 posts)the rank & file Republicans hate her with a white hot intensity... you know, the other 98% of the GOP.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)one discovers all sorts of "inconsistencies".
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Historic NY
(37,453 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)And see that Bernie does just as well, and mostly better?
Flailing fail.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)DFW
(54,437 posts)This primary season has brought out the crazy at DU, and not in a good way. It has gotten to the point where if I see a post with the words "corporate" or "corporatist" in it, I immediately stop reading and go on to the next one. No need to wonder what's in it.
But the Hillary crowd has to be realistic, too. At this point four years ago, she looked like a sure thing for the nomination. People make mistakes in judgment, choose the wrong people as their closest advisers (look at Obama choosing Rahm Emmanuel as WH Chief of Staff--prime example). The wind can change. Hillary herself saw that too late (for her) in 2008. She was wise enough to accept it and work for Obama's election. Would she do it again? Probably, but not with as much enthusiasm this time, I'll bet. This is her last run, and she knows it.
The Sanders crowd needs to be just as realistic. Bernie could still make it, nothing is engraved in stone yet. But if he doesn't, the "no difference" crowd has to stick it where the Nader crowd didn't if they don't want to usher a Republican into the White House. And we're no longer talking about a Bush, Senior. The ONLY Republicans in the running this time are true whackos. Daffy Duck with his finger on the button. No Colin Powell as Secretary of State, but instead a Louie Gohmert.
Given the sharp divide in the preferences, a lot of people will be disappointed when the nominee is finally chosen. The question is, what are you going to do about it when it happens? I'm not taking about your first instinct, or your reaction a week later, or sharing your disappointment on an internet board, but when it comes down to election day and your choice is between a president Rubio (or even a Carson or a Trump), and a president "I-don't-want-this-Democrat," what will you do? Stay home? Write in? Or vote. This is not 2000. THIS time, we can't say "it doesn't matter," and be shocked afterward. We saw in 2000 that it DOES matter.
My wish candidate isn't even running this time. I would have loved to see Howard Dean try again, and I wish he had done it way before any of the others had declared. But if he had, I know Judy would have had him bound and gagged and hidden away in a cabin in Canada until the primary season was over, so it was pretty much over before it started. Howard values his family life very highly, and if you doubt that, just ask yourself how much you know about his family outside of his brother, Jim? Not much, I'm betting. If Judy says no, then it's no. Besides, Howard has long thought he was too old to be doing this again. He already had told me that back in 2009.
So, make your decision in the primary, VOTE in the primary, but remember that in November 2016, when it matters, leave the labels at home, and think about our future. Not "gun nut," not "closet racist," not "corporatist," just ditch the name-calling and look one step beyond that. Then, like the famous line in the first Indiana Jones movie, "do as you will."
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)DFW
(54,437 posts)But the primary matters disproportionately. And I vote anyway. If I say my vote doesn't matter because it's Texas, we'll NEVER have a Wendy Davis as governor. The longest journey, as they say......
reformist2
(9,841 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Is going to work about as well as the "revolution" angle.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)in the very same poll.
Didn't you wonder why the OP withheld the link?
See post #9, which links to the complete results.