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JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 02:56 AM Nov 2015

Do You WANT TO SEE a Republican NOT win the White House? If so, then vote for Hillary.

Nov 9: McClatchy/Marist Poll: Hillary Clinton Leads All Republicans Nationally.


General Election: Trump vs. Clinton McClatchy/Marist Clinton 56, Trump 41 Clinton +15 
General Election: Carson vs. Clinton McClatchy/Marist Carson 48, Clinton 50 Clinton +2 
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton McClatchy/Marist Clinton 50, Rubio 45 Clinton +5 
General Election: Bush vs. Clinton McClatchy/Marist Clinton 52, Bush 44 Clinton +8 
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton McClatchy/Marist Clinton 53, Cruz 43 Clinton +10 
General Election: Fiorina vs. Clinton McClatchy/Marist Clinton 53, Fiorina 43 Clinton +10 

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Do You WANT TO SEE a Republican NOT win the White House? If so, then vote for Hillary. (Original Post) JaneyVee Nov 2015 OP
We get to vote in the primary deal with it. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #1
*chortle nt artislife Nov 2015 #3
Bernie does as well as Hillary in that general election poll jfern Nov 2015 #2
That would explain bvf Nov 2015 #5
link SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2015 #8
Sanders would do equally well. SAYS THE SAME POLL. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #4
I guess, if "almost as well", i.e., less well, means "equally well" ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #32
I always enjoy someone telling me yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #6
Hmmm Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #7
or Bernie! PaulaFarrell Nov 2015 #9
lose to Carson? daybranch Nov 2015 #12
2-5 points are probably within the margin of error. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #13
+10000000000000000 peacebird Nov 2015 #15
The candidates Hillary does well against are doing poorly against their Republican JDPriestly Nov 2015 #17
Agreed. Except that I think DWS does know what she is doing. She is working for the corporations GoneFishin Nov 2015 #25
So I'm guessing Bernie is NOT doing "as well", huh? 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #33
Just as Hillary is NOT doing "as well" PaulaFarrell Nov 2015 #35
Well ... I agree with some of what you have written ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #36
Thanks for the link. bvf Nov 2015 #39
Nice try imthevicar Nov 2015 #10
Could you please provide a link? JDPriestly Nov 2015 #11
Hillary's the one. oasis Nov 2015 #14
If you want to lose the White House she certainly is! peacebird Nov 2015 #16
Get ready for the next debate. Hillary will create more distance oasis Nov 2015 #18
She may be the nom, but she will lose the general election. You underestimate the hatred for her peacebird Nov 2015 #21
Yup, the GOP hatred, yada, yada....oh wait oasis Nov 2015 #24
The GOP elite are Hillary's allies... Ino Nov 2015 #29
See ... that's what happens when one follows arguments over time ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #34
+1000. She has already telegraphed that she will not upset monied interests. Status quo. nt GoneFishin Nov 2015 #26
You mean like under the current administration ?? Historic NY Nov 2015 #31
Do you understand that, even if YOU do not provide a link, the rest of us can look it up? djean111 Nov 2015 #19
Hillary will beat any of them and they know it. leftofcool Nov 2015 #20
one addendum: "Vote for Hillary or whoever our nominee is" DFW Nov 2015 #22
+1. I'm voting Dem, even in a state where Repubs will likely win locally and nationally. Hoyt Nov 2015 #23
As for Texas, I don't even have to state my situation nationally DFW Nov 2015 #28
Not so fast... Most polls have shown Hillary would lose to most Republican candidates. reformist2 Nov 2015 #27
The new fear tactic they are going with... NCTraveler Nov 2015 #30
Great numbers for Clinton. K &R . nt Persondem Nov 2015 #37
Great numbers for Sanders bvf Nov 2015 #38
 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
4. Sanders would do equally well. SAYS THE SAME POLL.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 03:29 AM
Nov 2015

So just vote Democratic in the GE, and in the primaries vote for whomever you think is best suited for the job.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
7. Hmmm
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 04:42 AM
Nov 2015

I don't see Sanders in any of those stats.

I guess I only have one option. Cancel the Super Tuesday party, it's already been decided before a single vote has been cast. Hell, let's just cancel the primary!

I also don't see Kasich. That is one scary fuck that may just come from behind. Don't forget 2012 when every candidate from the R party held the lead at one point or another.

PaulaFarrell

(1,236 posts)
9. or Bernie!
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 05:01 AM
Nov 2015

Clinton would defeat Carson by 2 percentage points, Rubio by 5; Bush by 8; Cruz or Fiorina by 10; and Trump by 15.

Sanders would lose to Carson by 2 percentage points and defeat Rubio by 3, Bush by 10, Cruz or Trump by 12, and Fiorina by 14.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article43495575.html#storylink=cpy

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
12. lose to Carson?
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 05:19 AM
Nov 2015

Not even the most ignorant among us, actually believe Carson with his stupid statements and lies could even get nominated. If Clinton is now only projected to beat loser Carson by 2 percentage points, with all her name recognition and supposed lock on African American and Latino votes, and a woman to boot, I would look for a stronger candidate. People know more about Clinton everyday and much of what they learn is depressing to say the least. Bernie meanwhile continues to gain supporters and popularity.
But even I could not believe hillary would only beat Carson by 2 points. I would suspect something like 10 or 15 for either Clinton or Bernie as a margin of victory over Carson.
And then again elections are not decided by percentage votes but rather by voting of the electoral college and it is clear democrats now have that race locked up. You did notice how big Obama's lead in the electoral college was ?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
13. 2-5 points are probably within the margin of error.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 05:27 AM
Nov 2015

Hillary is not a very strong candidate.

The hype about Hillary is not selling.

She comes across as mostly ambitious for herself.

Bernie comes across as ambitious for our country and the American people.

The reason Bernie does so well with millenials is that he is like your favorite professor, brilliant, knows his stuff, works hard, always has time for you and only wants YOUR SUCCESS. That's Bernie. That's why we love him.

He wants America's success.

The videos of him that Mother Jones has posted that are from his days as a mayor of Burlington explain why the people of Vermont elect and re-elect him.

Bernie is uniquely dedicated to the good of our country.

Feel the Bern!

These polls are not really that great for Hillary.

If the Democrats really wanted to win in 2016, they would have scheduled more debates so that the nation could get to know the Democratic candidates. And they would have scheduled more of the debates on week nights and not when Americans are out and doing their Christmas shopping and partying on the weekends.

The Democratic Party is fixing for a defeat just like in 2014 and that makes me very, very sad. Hillary is not a strong candidate. She should be doing much better than these polls show against that crew of clowns on the Republican side.

Debbie Wasserman-Schulz should resign now and let someone who knows what she/he is doing manage the party.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
17. The candidates Hillary does well against are doing poorly against their Republican
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 05:56 AM
Nov 2015

opponents. The polls show just how weak the traditional Republicans are.

I'd like to see how Bernie does against these Republicans.

There is no link to the above polls, so I don't know whether they polled for Bernie or not.

No link makes the poll results look suspicious. Maybe Bernie does just as well or better.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
25. Agreed. Except that I think DWS does know what she is doing. She is working for the corporations
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 07:04 AM
Nov 2015

and whose slogan is "Anybody but Bernie or O'Malley".

PaulaFarrell

(1,236 posts)
35. Just as Hillary is NOT doing "as well"
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 10:24 AM
Nov 2015

against Bush, Cruz or Fiorina

My only real point being the cherry-picking of polls to try and convince other people that supporting someone other than Hillary means the Democrats will lose. Both Clinton and Sanders look good against most Republicans, the only one Sanders losing to being Ben Carson - but two points either way to me is still a toss-up. I just hate intellectual dishonesty and that's what the OP was.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
39. Thanks for the link.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 04:14 PM
Nov 2015

Much more information there, and again, it's no surprise the OP didn't include it.

oasis

(49,408 posts)
18. Get ready for the next debate. Hillary will create more distance
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 06:15 AM
Nov 2015

in the polls between her and the other two candidates.

At some point in the campaign you will come to the realization that Hillary will be the Democratic nominee, and then, U.S. President.

Visualize Democratic sucess. I guarantee it will make you fell better about the upcoming 2016 Genaral Election.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
21. She may be the nom, but she will lose the general election. You underestimate the hatred for her
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 06:36 AM
Nov 2015

by the R's, and the distrust of her by independents and millenials.

As for me, I can visualize a Hillary presidency- it means the continuing decline of the middle class. No meaningful change for wallstreet or the too big to fail banks, & consolidated control of our democracy by the oligarchy.

oasis

(49,408 posts)
24. Yup, the GOP hatred, yada, yada....oh wait
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 07:04 AM
Nov 2015

aren't they her natural allies in the "control of our democracy by the oligarchy"?

Hmmmmm.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
29. The GOP elite are Hillary's allies...
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 08:20 AM
Nov 2015

the rank & file Republicans hate her with a white hot intensity... you know, the other 98% of the GOP.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
34. See ... that's what happens when one follows arguments over time ...
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 09:13 AM
Nov 2015

one discovers all sorts of "inconsistencies".

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
19. Do you understand that, even if YOU do not provide a link, the rest of us can look it up?
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 06:22 AM
Nov 2015

And see that Bernie does just as well, and mostly better?

Flailing fail.

DFW

(54,437 posts)
22. one addendum: "Vote for Hillary or whoever our nominee is"
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 06:40 AM
Nov 2015

This primary season has brought out the crazy at DU, and not in a good way. It has gotten to the point where if I see a post with the words "corporate" or "corporatist" in it, I immediately stop reading and go on to the next one. No need to wonder what's in it.

But the Hillary crowd has to be realistic, too. At this point four years ago, she looked like a sure thing for the nomination. People make mistakes in judgment, choose the wrong people as their closest advisers (look at Obama choosing Rahm Emmanuel as WH Chief of Staff--prime example). The wind can change. Hillary herself saw that too late (for her) in 2008. She was wise enough to accept it and work for Obama's election. Would she do it again? Probably, but not with as much enthusiasm this time, I'll bet. This is her last run, and she knows it.

The Sanders crowd needs to be just as realistic. Bernie could still make it, nothing is engraved in stone yet. But if he doesn't, the "no difference" crowd has to stick it where the Nader crowd didn't if they don't want to usher a Republican into the White House. And we're no longer talking about a Bush, Senior. The ONLY Republicans in the running this time are true whackos. Daffy Duck with his finger on the button. No Colin Powell as Secretary of State, but instead a Louie Gohmert.

Given the sharp divide in the preferences, a lot of people will be disappointed when the nominee is finally chosen. The question is, what are you going to do about it when it happens? I'm not taking about your first instinct, or your reaction a week later, or sharing your disappointment on an internet board, but when it comes down to election day and your choice is between a president Rubio (or even a Carson or a Trump), and a president "I-don't-want-this-Democrat," what will you do? Stay home? Write in? Or vote. This is not 2000. THIS time, we can't say "it doesn't matter," and be shocked afterward. We saw in 2000 that it DOES matter.

My wish candidate isn't even running this time. I would have loved to see Howard Dean try again, and I wish he had done it way before any of the others had declared. But if he had, I know Judy would have had him bound and gagged and hidden away in a cabin in Canada until the primary season was over, so it was pretty much over before it started. Howard values his family life very highly, and if you doubt that, just ask yourself how much you know about his family outside of his brother, Jim? Not much, I'm betting. If Judy says no, then it's no. Besides, Howard has long thought he was too old to be doing this again. He already had told me that back in 2009.

So, make your decision in the primary, VOTE in the primary, but remember that in November 2016, when it matters, leave the labels at home, and think about our future. Not "gun nut," not "closet racist," not "corporatist," just ditch the name-calling and look one step beyond that. Then, like the famous line in the first Indiana Jones movie, "do as you will."

DFW

(54,437 posts)
28. As for Texas, I don't even have to state my situation nationally
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 07:30 AM
Nov 2015

But the primary matters disproportionately. And I vote anyway. If I say my vote doesn't matter because it's Texas, we'll NEVER have a Wendy Davis as governor. The longest journey, as they say......

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
30. The new fear tactic they are going with...
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 08:25 AM
Nov 2015

Is going to work about as well as the "revolution" angle.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
38. Great numbers for Sanders
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 04:10 PM
Nov 2015

in the very same poll.

Didn't you wonder why the OP withheld the link?

See post #9, which links to the complete results.

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