2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders being rendered nonexistent by Iowa media <frustrated>
I just need to commiserate with Bernie supporters about two things: Hillary being unfairly leveraged in our local Iowa media and Bernie being blacked out by our local media.
I am so sick of this.
I live in Iowa and I don't have to tell you that we vote first. Our caucuses are less than three months away.
Media exposure is important.
Our local CBS affiliate's (KCCI) web page featured a front-page article about this Saturday's upcoming debate between Clinton, Sanders and O'Malley. Titled, "Wage Stagnation Expected Fuel For Democratic Debate Saturday" the article features a picture that you click on to read the article. The picture is of Hillary Clinton only. When you open up the story there is video. The video focuses on economic issues, and a clip of Hillary discussing the economy is featured. No video of Sanders or O'Malley.
Bernie isn't even mentioned in written portion of this article, which is about a Presidential debate in which he will be participating!
I commented on the article, noting all of this. I was polite. My comment was deleted. I posted again, and it was AGAIN deleted. By this time, the article had been moved off of the front page and is buried. I posted my comment, and this time--it was left up. Jesus!
Link to article http://www.kcci.com/news/wage-stagnation-expected-fuel-for-democratic-debate-saturday/36400258
The following day, this same local CBS website posted an article about Hillary laughing at an off-color joke about Fiorina. But no mention of Bernie's endorsement from the United Postal Workers or his participation on the fast-food workers strikes. Those things certainly are newsworthy. I don't recall any other Presidential candidate participating in strikes with workers. But Hillary chortling at an off-color joke garners an entire article?
At the end of this Clinton-chuckling article, the upcoming debate is mentioned: "The three remaining Democrats in the presidential race debate at 8 p.m. on Saturday at Drake University. It is hosted by CBS News and co-sponsored by KCCI-TV and the Des Moines Register."
Link to article: http://www.kcci.com/news/fiorina-says-no-ill-will-for-clinton/36413880
AGAIN, they can't even manage to mention the name "Bernie Sanders".
I would like to see a little fairness. Democracy is being undermined here, when the media props up one candidate, to the point of ridiculousness--and renders other candidates nonexistent.
Bernie has the support of 33 percent of Iowans, according to the latest CBC/New York Times poll. We deserve representation as well.
I'd like to remind the media--that at this point (2.5 months before the Iowa caucuses) Obama was polling at 22 and Hillary Clinton was polling at 29--according to polls from American Research Group and The Des Moines Register.
ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN!
I am bothered by this because it smacks of corruption, unfair advantage and a deliberate coup between Clinton and the corporate media to manipulate our elections.
It's not fair. Can't she fight fair?
The good news is that Iowans are extremely proud (and humble) about being first in the nation. They insist on doing their own due diligence when it comes to picking a candidate. We were told that Hillary was inevitable in 2008 also. We bucked that last time.
I'm hoping we come through and do it again, despite the media trying to make Bernie Sanders invisible.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)as -- not living in Iowa -- I'm not privy to the nature of their coverage, or lack there of.
Greatly informative post.
Rockyj
(538 posts)The more this happens the more I know if she is elected that I won't vote her.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)in the tank for Clinton in Iowa?
Sure they are!
Just like the national mass media has been in the tank for Clinton (RW meme) since she announced...yeah, maybe in some alternate universe!
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)That's where the big ad buys come from and that's where the money flows from, they will do nothing to upset that flow.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...if you can't see it or if you offer no rational comment, than please refrain from adding to the discussion that I started.
This is no "RW meme" sweetheart. I am a proud Democrat and I know what I am seeing and experiencing in my own state.
Your effort to muddy the waters has been noted.
questionseverything
(9,661 posts)we the people are going to have to spread the message if we want anything to change
If they can't refute then dismiss. Don't expect substance in the response.
As to the op, we all knew this was going to happen coming in. People in power don't give up.power without a fight. Same applies to money.
We're just going to have to work harder to go around them getting the message out.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I know this. I knew this going in, as you said.
It just sucks watching it happen.
I know they also use polls, some of them most likely fake, to quell the opposition. If they'll use the media as a PR arm for their campaign--and to minimize the other candidate, it's not out of the question that some polls are biased or flawed.
You are absolutely right. We just need to press forward. I'm certainly not going to allow any of this to dissuade me from showing up to the caucuses and rallying for Bernie.
Also, it's important to remember that this could backfire. It backfired on Hillary in Iowa in 08. Iowans don't like to feel like they're being manipulated into voting for the media's anointed one.
appalachiablue
(41,177 posts)regarding the candidates. If they don't understand it send them Plessy v. Ferguson (1894) with added photos of Jim Crow era school classroom conditions and apartheid in SA. Relevant because the media co. is separating persons by perceived status and worth, in effect not granting equal coverage and opportunity to candidates that lack resources, name recognition and Party preference which are not criteria to enter the primary. Candidates are being denied access, which fosters disadvantage and the company is practicing unequal treatment of candidates who are in fact equal in every respect in this endeavor.
Three Candidates on the Debate Stage, equal and unseparated, the way it's supposed to be.
merrily
(45,251 posts)bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)I don't understand your comment?
merrily
(45,251 posts)While she may or may not be their choice to win the general, she is their choice for the general, to the extent they have a choice. Sanders certainly isn't.
I am not approving or condoning that. I am simply saying it is.
bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)Excuse my being dense - I got up late and have not had enough coffee yet.
merrily
(45,251 posts)mountain grammy
(26,656 posts)Their bias..as you know, Fred Sanders. You often post about the corruption of the corporate media. Yes, the media bashes Clinton,but ignores her opponents. Why do you think that is?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)from everyone, naturally.
The candidates for Presidency are now really only four.....the three we have and the one they pick to convince folks magic is preferable to reality.
mountain grammy
(26,656 posts)message getting to the people. People just might start to see the reality.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Their bread is buttered. And Citizens United has created a whole lot of butter to be had.
Sadly, as with so many things, follow the money and the truth will reveal itself.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)And have been since he announced. It is what it is and is was expected. You are going to have to find other ways to get the word out....old-fashioned word of mouth using all the tools at your disposal.
kacekwl
(7,022 posts)How bout some mass demonstrations of support across the country . Weekends are good for me. Watch parties and such are great but just preaching to the choir. Ideas , comments ?
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)The flyers could start by showig how the media is ignoring Sanders and in the tank for the establishment candidate, then give people some basic facts about who Bernie is and what he will work to do for them.
kacekwl
(7,022 posts)how would someone get a hold of something like this that would be Sanders campaign approved ?
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)https://docs.google.com/a/berniesanders.com/document/d/1Xo9ilyyLMkyDA02z3y_ewRcWWJlTiaMyf2z5FqX1NP8/edit?usp=sharing
https://go.berniesanders.com/page/-/8.5x11_LitPiece%20%281%29.pdf
https://go.berniesanders.com/page/-/Spanish_8.5x11_bernieflyer_bw.pdf
https://go.berniesanders.com/page/-/8.5x11_BernieflyerBW.pdf
SamKnause
(13,110 posts)I wish I could say I am surprised.
I'm numb to the point that nothing surprises me.
Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)
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Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)Freedom is an illusion. Get over it.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Debbie-Wasserman-Schultz, isn't it???
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)think
(11,641 posts)Television
WCVB-TV (Boston, Massachusetts)
WMOR-TV (Tampa, FL)
WTAE-TV (Pittsburgh, PA)
WESH-TV (Orlando, FL)
WBAL-TV (Baltimore, MD)
WISN-TV (Milwaukee, WI)
WLWT-TV (Cincinnati, OH)
WMUR-TV (Manchester, NH)
KMBC-TV (Kansas City, MO)
KCWE-TV (Kansas City, MO)
WYFF-TV (Greenville, SC)
WDSU-TV (New Orleans, LA)
WPBF-TV (West Palm Beach, FL)
KOCO-TV (Oklahoma City, OK)
WGAL-TV (Lancaster, PA)
WXII-TV (Winston-Salem, NC)
WLKY-TV (Louisville, KY)
KOAT-TV (Albuquerque, NM)
KCRA-TV (Sacramento, CA)
KQCA-TV (Sacramento, CA)
KCCI-TV (Des Moines, IA)
KITV-TV (Honolulu, HI)
KETV-TV (Omaha, NE)
WAPT-TV (Jackson, MS)
WPTZ-TV/WNNE-TV (Burlington, VT)
KHBS-TV/KHOG-TV (Fort Smith, AR)
KSBW-TV (Salinas, CA)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_Hearst_Corporation#Television
(I had the wrong company in my other post so I deleted it.)
They also own a number of well known magazines and newspapers as well including Car and Driver, Cosmopolitan, Seventeen, Harper's Bazaar, Esquire etc etc. The Hearst Corporation is a media conglomerate that operates out of NYC.
appalachiablue
(41,177 posts)Trying to make our M$M more fair means taking on the FCC, reversing the 1996 Telecom Act by Clinton that deregulated media ownership, reviving the 1940s Fairness Doctrine and the older Sherman Anti-Trust Act that Reagan dissed. It's a lot, yet confronting and exposing the powerful, monied 5 Consolidated Media Conglomerates needs to happen somehow.
Disney (ABC), CBS, News Corp (Fox), Comcast/NBC, Time Warner, Viacom- the Big Five control of 90% of all we see, hear and read.
(replace GE with Comcast)
tecelote
(5,122 posts)Infotainment - HuffPost style - "Mass Attack Paris" posted next to "'Friends' Cast Secretly Used Doubles In Multiple Episodes"
We used to have the Fairness Doctrine - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine - it wasn't perfect but it was better.
Add to that the end of "local" stations due to media consolidation - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_of_media_ownership
"One explanation for the cause of the concentration of media ownership is a shift to neoliberal deregulation policies, which is a market-driven approach."
Journalism is dead.
Infotainment is all we'll ever get as long as we maintain the status quo.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Gamecock Lefty
(700 posts)Bernie supporters sure didn't mind the Iowa polls and the Iowa media when the race was tightening many weeks ago. But now that Hillary is starting to solidify her support all of a sudden the media is ignoring poor Bernie.
Boo hoo.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)they weren't being blatantly biased when reporting that. did you read the OP?
RichVRichV
(885 posts)Other than the latter drives the former.
yodermon
(6,143 posts)i read it right here on DU every day!
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)The media ❤️ $$$ and any candidate with lots of it.
Hillary is taking full advantage of the massive flow of money into her campaign superPACs made possible by Citizens United.
Bernie refuses to take money from superPACs because it's against his principals and he feels it damages democracy...and he's right.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,729 posts)would get as much Clinton advertising revenue as a pro Clinton station would. Bernie and O'Malley just do not have the money for that kind of leverage.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)its us vs them, don't let them win. go out and canvas or make some phone calls today. put up yard signs, start conversations.
real world conversations are much more effective than mass media. we just can't sit around and let the establishment do all the talking.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)boils down to anti-democratic voter manipulation.
Media consolidation is another gift to the industry courtesy of Bill Clinton.
Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)voting for the corporate media coronation candidate. should she be the nominee, i am thoroughly disgusted with this illusion of democracy. like the millenials i will not play along with this fucking sham.
its an oligarchy folks.
riversedge
(70,311 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)....media mentions. One of the three articles that you posted was an informational blurb the town, time and place that Bernie would be speaking. The basic who, what, where when and why was covered.
Not exactly the multi-page, front-page spread that touts Hillary as the "inevitable" candidate while describing her campaign as a "juggernaut" and declaring her the unstoppable winner.
Seriously.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)small states which do not resemble the rest country in many important ways.
brooklynite
(94,748 posts)Sanders schedules Sunday events in Indianola, Des Moines
Sanders will hold a "family caregiver roundtable" at 3:30 p.m. at Central Presbyterian Church in Des Moines Sunday. That event is invite-only.
He'll go on to hold a 6 p.m. campaign event at Simpson College. The town hall is slated for the Principal Black Box in the Kent Campus Center, 701 N. C Street, Indianola. Doors open at 5 p.m. The event is free and open to the public, though RSVPs are recommended.
Bernie Sanders says he opposes Bakken oil pipeline
His comments Tuesday came as the Iowa Utilities Board plans to begin a series of hearings on Thursday that will lead to a decision whether to permit the pipeline project to proceed. The pipeline would begin in North Dakota and end at a distribution center in Illinois
Clinton has early, commanding delegate lead for nomination
riversedge
(70,311 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)You posted a couple of very, very short blurbs about Sanders from the Des Moines Register.
Look at what the same newspaper, the Des Moines Register, wrote about Hillary Clinton just a few days ago. This was front page of the Sunday Des Moines Register. Here's the headline and first paragraph:
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AS IOWA DEBATE APPROACHES, CLINTON SEEMS INEVITABLE AGAIN
"It's hard to foresee a result other than the Hillary Clinton juggernaut winning Iowa unless something major blows up in the presidential race, Democratic activists say.
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Now tell me that "Sanders to speak in Indianola" and an article saying that Clinton is inevitable--are the same thing.
This is crazy unfair! Our caucuses are two-and-a-half months away! No one is "inevitable".
roody
(10,849 posts)kenn3d
(486 posts)Links to the OP and this thread have been <re>tweeted @iowa4bernie and posted to G+
Facebook, instagram, and other social media users can/should actively confront any and all MSM bias wherever noted.
We have a LOUD voice, that can be heard even over the din of establishment media.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)CCM is a literally accurate description. There is nothing "mainstream" about them. It also is a better indicator of their biases.
appalachiablue
(41,177 posts)the theme of 'Network,' the 1976 movie based on Paddy Chayefsky's view of declining network television news as it devolved into INFOTAINMENT. The movie received four Academy Awards.
*CLIP, 'NETWORK', 1976, Monologue Scene, 'THE WORLD IS A BUSINESS'. Ned Beatty's prophetic corporate boardroom speech about real power to deluded newsman Howard Beale: "..There is no America. There is no Democracy. There is only IBM and ITT, and AT&T, and Du Pont, Dow, Union Carbide and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today."
Actor Ned Beatty portrays corporate overlord Chairman of UBS/Union Broadcasting Systems whose owner the CCA, the Communications Corporation of America is being bought by a foreign corporation.
Beatty tells BEALE (Peter Finch), a former UBS news anchor about the reality of corporate and media power. Beale learned that he will loose his job soon due to low ratings and becomes mentally unhinged during a last televised farewell. But the network decides to let him continue his popular rantings on air nightly to exploit him for the increased ratings.
The truth that he speaks is seen as visionary by his growing TV audience. Among other warnings Beale reveals that, "WE DEAL IN ILLUSIONS. NONE OF IT IS TRUE!".
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)on DU, the media's evilness (and trust-worthiness) is directly in line with what it is reporting.
From 2000 - 2008, the media was evil and not to be trusted at all ... from 2008 - 2015, it was to be non-evil, trustworthy and to be defended, so long as it was critically reporting on Democrats, praising G.A.S., etc., ... Now, since May 2015, it is distrustful and evil, again.
an evil CORPORATE media post on DU..... about their corporate candidate.
What's so funny?
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I'm saying that the media is unfair and is clearly biased against Clinton. I've included several examples.
I'm sitting in Iowa, seeing the media behave as the PR arm for the Clinton campaign. They also did this to Obama during the 2012 campaign in which they favored Romney. They also favored Joni Ernst and gave her a total free pass. It's wrong whenever it happens.
If you don't want to be a serious part of this discussion, then buzz off.
pnwmom
(108,997 posts)And has been ever since her husband first started running for President.
You have provided good counter-examples, however. Thank you.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)If she uses these underhanded tactics to get elected, she absolutely will use them while in office to further benefit herself.
Corruption cannot be fought by using more corruption...that only perpetuates the cycle. It's exactly that cycle I want destroyed.
Corporations need less power, not more. Hillary will give them more. Her past actions prove that.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)a right to know the whole story. My brother is going to the caucuses. I need to make sure he has pamphlets and the issues re: Bernie's plans. NW Iowa is very red so I am sure he only knows what the MSM wants him to know.
That part of IA may very well never vote in the general for a blue candidate but at least they can in the primary.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)riversedge
(70,311 posts)to the OP.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)http://thebernreport.com/pro-clinton-superpac-pays-for-a-poll-to-show-her-winning-the-debate/
You might suggest that hillary isn't using these superPACs to act in this manner... I would suggest hillary is more than intelligent enough to know how her name is being used, and by whom... and the act of allowing such polls to exist, and not denouncing them, is an act of condonement. This is exactly the sort of thing we need less of.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)the Des Moines Register has always been important in Iowa - are they ignoring Bernie to?
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...and Central Iowa.
It's the largest Iowa media market, by far.
The Des Moines Register is the most widely read newspaper in Iowa. People read their local papers, but the Register is read state-wide. It is the paper of record in Iowa.
They cover snippets about Bernie. They certainly don't write positively slanted articles about him that call him, "inevitable" like they do for Clinton. I posted this in another thread, but there is the headline and first paragraph about the Iowa primary that was the front-page story this past Sunday in the Des Moines Register:
As Iowa Debate Approaches, Clinton Seems Inevitable Again
"It's hard to foresee a result other than the Hillary Clinton juggernaut winning Iowa unless something major blows up in the presidential race, Democratic activists say."
Link to the full article:
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2015/11/07/as-iowa-debate-approaches-hillary-clinton-seems-inevitable-again/75314226/
jwirr
(39,215 posts)not worry about their 'inevitable' to much - that is one of the things that make me most angry when they say that. I have been a Democrat for 74 years and I get very upset if someone tries to tell me I have no choice in who I elect and that is what 'inevitable' means. I am sure I am not the only one who resents it.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)When you live in a state that is first to vote in the primary--you tend to take this responsibility seriously. At least that is how I perceive that most Iowans feel.
We resented Hillary's "inevitability" in 2008.
I think she's got a pretty cozy relationship with the Iowa media, and if the campaign pushes it too far, it could backfire.
Like you said, all of this, "Hillary is inevitable" and "Hillary will win barring any big disaster" nonsense leaves people feeling as if they have no choice. Voters do not like being told that!
All of this also underscores her corporate connections. And many in the Democratic party consider the corporate-political enmeshment to be corruption that needs to be stopped.
So yeah, all of this blatant media favoritism would work against her, as we get closer to the caucuses.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Let the Register know that voters are upset. They read the net also.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Formerly known as the St. Pete Times.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Much appreciated and sad to read your observation of the Iowa MSM. Yet not surprising as the MSM is owned lock, stock and barrel by 6 Corporations that are not "Friends with Bernie", however with other Candidates.....Well.....
kristopher
(29,798 posts)I agree Clinton is enjoying a lot of biased press. And, I saw the article/vid you mentioned, it doesn't cover Bernie at all.
My next step was to search the site for "Bernie Sanders":
Conversation with the Candidate: Bernie Sanders article
Watch our Conversation with the Candidate: U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont.
March 20, 2015 06:31 PM
Vermont business sells Bernie Sanders underwear article
Now people can show support for presidential candidate Bernie Sanders with their undergarments.
November 05, 2015 07:29 AM
Bernie Sanders Bio article
In 1981, he was elected mayor of Burlington, Vermont a position he'd be re-elected to three times.
November 13, 2015 11:28 AM
AP sources: Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders to run for president, will seek Democrat nomination article
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is going to run for president as a Democrat.
April 28, 2015 04:33 PM
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders: 'I am running for president' article
Bernie Sanders has made it official, telling The Associated Press in an interview that he's running for president.
April 29, 2015 08:00 PM
Bernie Sanders endorsed by UFC's Ronda Rousey article
Ultimate Fighting Championship champion and actress Ronda Rousey on Tuesday endorsed Vermont senator Bernie Sanders for president.
November 10, 2015 04:07 PM
Gosling spreads message from Bernie Sanders article
Actor Ryan Gosling is trying to help Bernie Sanders spread his message as presidential voting nears. Gosling on Thursday tweeted out a link to a video showing Bernie Sanders speaking to students...
November 12, 2015 07:27 PM
Bernie Sanders talks immigration reform at Latino Heritage Festival article
Democrat presidential candidate Bernie Sanders talked about immigration reform at the Latino Heritage Festival on Saturday.
September 28, 2015 10:43 AM
Bernie Sanders hires Dean pollster article
Bernie Sanders, who has recently blasted poll-tested politicians, has hired a pollster of his own as his campaign enters a key stretch before the early nominating contests.
October 26, 2015 10:41 AM
Sanders asks Iowans to join revolution against establishment article
Bernie Sanders is running for the Democratic nomination for president.
September 03, 2015 02:50 PM
http://www.kcci.com/page/search/htv-des/search/9359026?q=bernie+sanders&view=asSearch&sortBy=
Maybe writing comments that are constructive representations of Bernie's differences with Clinton would be more productive than accusing the station of bias. I'm not saying the bias doesn't exist - with Clinton's celebrity status it would be nuts if it wasn't part of the picture. But, as infuriating as that situation is, how we deal with that bias is up to us.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...in any KCCI article. Of course, he has been. O'Malley has been mentioned in many articles too.
But, you have to admit that posting only Hillary Clinton photos and video within an article about the impending debate, is a bit unfair--especially when the other candidates aren't even mentioned in the article.
This debate is a big moment for the campaign--one of the milestone moments. So the pre- and post-coverage is important. Many people only tune into politics during this time--and if only one candidate is featured in an article--that sends a distinct message, no?
I worked in media relations for many years. I understand when reporters are playing up one point of view or leveraging a certain cause or product. This is very deliberate. Extremely. You can cover the competition with dry, factual mentions and then puff up the other side in ways that make the other guy disappear . We all know what bias looks like.
There are plenty of examples, but the Iraq war comes to mind. Sure, the opposition was covered. But anti-war efforts were sidebars. They were "Oh, and this is happening too" parts of the Iraq War story.
Sanders feels like a sidebar. Whereas Clinton feels like the Iraq War, when you look at the big picture.
And sure, you could Google "Iraq anti-war protests" and many articles will appear. That doesn't mean that the anti-war effort was covered as fairly or positioned as important as the pro-war spectacle that we experienced for months.
GitRDun
(1,846 posts)the "Can't she fight fair?" comment.
She is a part of the establishment, but inferring she controls the media is a bridge too far for me.
I agree it isn't fair but that's our system right now.
It's simply sickening at how lazy we have become as a people that we can't collectively muster the will to change it.
riversedge
(70,311 posts)Why not write a letter to the editor. Hillary does not own the local media
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)I meant what else do they have to or watch.
Oh yeah, there's that Hawkeye football that's being played at the same time. That's okay though because it's not like they're undefeated and hoping to play for the Big Ten title, right?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)the idea that the Debate cannot be heard or see because on a game is pathetic.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... as well as a win that will give them their best season start in their program's history (10-0).
I guess though if they are true Democrats they'll either not go to the football game if they have season tickets, or they'll just DVR it to watch it later then too. Fortunately I can DVR them both and be at a sports bar where they they will have the debates and hopefully also have a channel on this game too.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... earlier on the day between two top 4 teams in Iowa and Oklahoma State on the same football field earlier that day for a record crowd of around 35,000 making it likely the most ever to see a wrestling match on record. More Iowans that won't travel from the west side of the state to Des Moines or want to be "distracted" by a debate on that day.
http://www.ncaa.com/news/wrestling/article/2015-11-10/ncaa-wrestling-iowa-oklahoma-state-expect-35k-outdoor-meet
When debates are supposed to be events that bring other potential voters in to see what the Democratic Party is doing, especially in the early caucus of Iowa which presumably this debate was supposed to be for, they really SUCKED at planning this. Either the DWS lead DNS is pretty conniving to intentionally screw this party in terms of drawing in more voter attention which arguably the event in Iowa was supposed to be, or it was VERY poorly planned to be an "inviting" event to potential Iowa voters. In either case, the leadership of the DNC NEEDS to go!!!
Iowa press is writing about this STUPIDITY as well!
http://jamiedupree.blog.ajc.com/2015/11/12/football-and-debate-clash-in-iowa/
bullwinkle428
(20,631 posts)K&R.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)TBF
(32,102 posts)she wants to be president and she will push the party apparatus to push her in. Unless we get a huge turn-out by the kids (they are very active on Reddit) it isn't happening. And then she will get beat in the general. I never really disliked her before but also didn't think she could win in 2008 so I worked for Obama. I thought he had the charisma to win and he did.
She is taking no chances this time and watching this behavior has made me actively dislike her. And that's where I'll leave it.
LuvLoogie
(7,036 posts)That is why she is running a campaign. Her campaign. She is a Democrat who has worked to build the Democratic Party. She has been building relationships for decades whether the cameras are rolling nearby or not.
Bernie is not positioned to be an overnight sensation that fills a vacuum like Jimmy Carter did. Jimmy Carter's media-savvy campaign didn't face a Hillary Clinton. Hillary is doing more than just "creating buzz."
Get to work.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)Bernie has to take Iowa to have a chance. Iowa is probably the best place to fight for him.
I got comments deleted too during the Obama campaigns - I even got banned from some like Jake Tapper's on ABC - for putting them back up. Got a new handle and put them back up again.
It is a way to fight back.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Response to MohRokTah (Reply #49)
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think
(11,641 posts)long before the elections started.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Needs repeating.
smacks of corruption, unfair advantage... a deliberate coup between Clinton and the corporate media to manipulate our elections.
Because it's obvious. Why it must be pointed out, I don't even know. But apparently, it must.
I was sorta leaning toward Sanders at 1st (I liked what I already knew about him), but the more things go on, I find Clinton completely unacceptable. Just like last time, she doesn't deserve to win on name recognition alone and little dirty tricks. Sure, she'd be better than any Repug, but that's certainly a low bar! We can do better.
It's this complacency, personality contest attitude that is ruining the country. This is the president, not "The Voice". Sanders is fighting this ho-hum attitude.
Clinton is not so accomplished as everyone thinks she is. Her Health Care thing during her husband's terms wasn't so great, was it? Her carpetbagger Senate seat was calculated for her presidential runs. She did a competent job at best. She was appointed SoS because she had to do SOMETHING apparently after she LOST the last primary...again relatively competent there. I just don't see the "she's the most qualified" thing at all.
And I get the feeling if she loses, we'll have a vote counting, Brooks Bro's riots and go-to-the-Supreme-Court kinda refusal to accept it! She's so business as usual. We can do better!
She's winning on name recognition and myths about how amazing she is supposed to be, alone.
May Sanders prevail!
brooklynite
(94,748 posts)Why not tell us how you really feel?
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)These are quotes from the original post, y'know....post 0.
Why can't Clinton supporters pay attention?
moobu2
(4,822 posts)Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)you need the votes of Sanders supporters to win.
brooklynite
(94,748 posts)Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)need to realize that this is a presidential election, not a goddamned football game.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)This primary is going exactly like the one 8 years ago went. She's leading in the polls to an unknown who has "no chance of winning."
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Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)best positioned to win the general election"
July 2007
I've heard this "guaranteed to win" thing before. Soon it will be like the next "end of the world" prediction.
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Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)by all this talk--three fucking months before the first primary--that she is guaranteed the primary and that Sanders just can't win the election when the polls you want to talk about show him beating the Republican candidates as well.
But keep telling us how Clinton has been crowned already and we should just give it up. Because THAT'S the way to gain supporters, apparently.
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Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)That always helps to get someone to vote for your candidate.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... for big money to push those to endorse her and not to endorse him as big money would rather see someone that is more aligned with them than Bernie is, when he is more committed to answer to the people at large the way a politician SHOULD be in the traditional sense of what they should do in a democracy.
Bernie has far more "endorsements" of people that have come to attend his rallies and other events than Clinton has had. Those are the entities that actually vote.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Over Trump or Carson?
or even Jeb?
Baloney! Another RW meme. Keep spreading 'em!
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...products, companies, politicians, causes--are primarily influenced by the PR and media-relations teams that represent those interests.
I imagine that Hillary has a large communications team that is working the media 24/7. I don't begrudge them that. They're just doing their jobs. It's a job in which I worked for many years.
Eighty percent of what you read in the newspapers and see on television news, is there because a PR person pitched the information to a reporter.
So, I get it. I understand how all of this works. I also know that this is a political campaign where candidates fight for any advantage that they can get. It can get dirty.
My main concern is that the media is failing to do their job. By leveraging Clinton so much and disseminating her talking points, they are not reporting the news. They are providing a very biased and inaccurate account of basic events--like a debate. You look at that article about the debate--and it's all Hillary Clinton. No mention of Sanders or O'Malley. That's...not right.
I don't know what is going on behind the scenes. But whatever has happened--Clinton is getting an unfair advantage and is being painted in a glowing light--while Sanders is rendered invisible. That's not fair.
Iowans are relying on our local media to make informed decisions. They're not doing their jobs and they're doing a disservice to our state and to our caucus system.
appalachiablue
(41,177 posts)case. That 1894 ruling claimed that black and white children had equal educational facilities, materials and opportunities, but separate, which was a horrible lie. The system didn't change until the Civil Rights movement in many areas. Disgrace.
I wish Elizabeth Warren would endorse Bernie, that would be incredible & a morale lift. But she will choose, in good time.
LuvLoogie
(7,036 posts)before April 2015 with more motivation than the fawning calls to a radio show?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)In that shocker, Obama finished First,
(The Real Shock) Edwards finished a strong 2nd,
and Hillary pulled up at 3rd.
I was excited to find out how the Media would report on this major upset....but they just ignored Edwards,
didn't mention his name...and I''m NOT talking local Iowa news, the National Media refused to mention his name.
I waited for Olberman and Maddow on MSNBC believing that THEY would report the news...but the same.
Neither Olberman nor Maddow mentioned Edwards name...or even that there was a 2nd Place.
As far as MSNBC was concerned, there was NO 2nd Place,
only 1st and 3rd.
The entire Hoopla was about the horse race between Obama and Clinton.
As much as I liked (and like) Maddow, she serves her masters.
I had to stop watching.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)The way to counter this is to roll out the ground game. As a promising and ultimately very successful young presidential candidate once said, get out there, get in their faces!
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)That town when I worked there had two entities owning most of the media in that town with the same company owning the Gazette newspaper and KCRG television and radio stations, and the other local CBS affiliate owned by another entity. I think that other media conglomerates might have bought one or more of these entities out since then, but having just two entities in the market at that time tainted the objectivity a little on certain kinds of news stories and we started to see just the beginning of news content being driven by adjacent television content ratings then about the time of the start of the Reagan era then.
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Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Bernie wants to rein them in and make them actually start paying back some of what they're pillaged over the last twenty years. The republican candidates are insane and could literally destroy the country. Hillary will keep the oligarchy intact and the money flowing from working people to the ruling class.
Faux pas
(14,691 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)This will make you spit up... http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251804229
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)you hear is a name of any Repub person running for POTUS and the ONLY person they mention Is HILLARY who they will run against. NEVER a peep about Bernie or O'Malley! NEVER in my LIFE could I have imagined a country who calls itself the BEACON OF DEMOCRACY stoop so low and essentially made a decision that Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee! If the ONLY name that ever gets any coverage by almost every single media outlet WITHOUT giving any mention of another candidate, it becomes VERY clear what's going on.
Rarely do I hear much mention of the other two, while on the other side Trump and Carson basically get FREE coverage by them. THIS isn't Democracy and I'm appalled and sickened that this country no longer seems to care or even give any thought to "we the people!" There is only ONE way to have our voices heard and it's not by relying on voting because more and more we hear how screwed up and how easy it is to manipulate machine voting.
So many say that taking to the streets will never work, but what else is here? I KNOW I don't feel that my voice will be heard or even given a second thought should I contact members of Congress or they even care. They too have rolled over. So many of the members of Congress who we felt we could rely on have already come out in support of Hillary. I feel so betrayed by them, but even more I feel our voices don't matter. How can this be called a Democracy??
The groups that I'm aware of locally tell me that there is a Bernie Sanders Group, but there's also a group for Democrats that will support all candidates. However, if I choose to join up with our local Democrats I should KNOW that I'm required to vote for Hillary if she's the nominee! How could she NOT be the nominee with statements like that? And how much support does anyone think they will even give to any other candidate? Basically it says to me that "see the handwriting on the wall" or sit down and SHUT UP!
What a mockery of Democracy! Is this really what we want to settle for?? I see no alternative other than outright REVOLUTION, and I seriously DOUBT most people have it within themselves to see or understand why they should get off their butts to do anything.
It's utterly SHAMEFUL how far we've fallen and disgusting that we have let it come to this point where we are EXPECTED to let ourselves be so manipulated. Other than alternative TV, I don't know of ANY MSM channel that's even close to being fair. I think if we saw this happening in any other country, it would be called A BLACKOUT of real news.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)PatrickforO
(14,593 posts)Media blackouts, skewed polls and vicious wedge attacks.
Bernie having race problems, sexism problems, wasn't the guy in the picture, plans cost too much, has no real accomplishment in the House or Senate, etc.
All we can do is keep using social media to get the word out and make sure our friends vote.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)Unbelievable what you posted. What the hell happened to our democracy? The oligarchy has all the power, and it may be too late to reverse it. I mean, how in the hell can we have a democracy without democracy? Bernie is a huge threat to them, and they want nothing to do with him. Limiting exposure since day 1 has been a real issue for Bernie. All of the networks are in on it. The primary, and all those votes, is the really the only issue.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)corp-media are not looking the other way as the corp-media favors their candidate. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I was just reading that tomorrow's Democratic debate in Des Moines is being hosted by CBS and the Des Moines Register.
My initial post was about unfair articles from our local CBS affiliate (KCCI). I then showed further local bias in the Des Moines Register article, "As Iowa Debate Approaches, Clinton Seems Inevitable Again." That article was front page, last Sunday and was the primary article about the Democratic primary and the upcoming debate.
And these two media outlets--CBS and the Des Moines Register--are hosting the debate and providing the moderators who will be questioning the candidates.
Quite an interesting coincidence---that the two media outlets that seem to be the worst offenders at downplaying Bernie/leveraging Clinton--are also hosting the debate.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)We've been calling Iowa voters and the few that we could get ahold of are voting Hillary. Very few willing to caucus for Bernie which is why I'm VERY worried about Iowa.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)As if they haven't completely obvious in their bias for some time.
The entire media is a nest of snakes.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)and the whores they are we will win this thing. I had a very pleasant encounter with a person who I never met and will never see again a few days ago that shows me there is a lot of us Bernie Sanders supporters out here.
Here's a link to that post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251792316
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Corporate media fawns over pro-corporate candidate.
Color me shocked.
If the corporations win it will be a shareholders victory. As it always is when what is left of our grass roots democracy loses.
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)We might have to resort to faxes and letters since all media including our telephones are monitored and controlled by the conservative elite even as much as can be managed right here on DU where there is serious message control being used to block Bernie Sanders supporters, including all the dirty tricks to make Sanders Supporters look like apes in a china shop. Anyone can get a user name and sign on as a Bernie supporter and fling mud that is then attacked by the dear sweet Hillary supporters.
It would be nice if Hillary really was a voice of the people, she is very pointedly distancing herself from that role and that big pile of money supporting her is using all the dirty tricks in the book to do so.
Send Bernie's campaign a contribution, no matter how small, it counts and that makes you count.
If you read a little history, the Democratic once had a campaign, Dollars for Democrats, where even a dollar could help against the oligarchs it still can, there are three hundred million people in the U.S. we are being silenced with money and we will have to use money to fight back.
roody
(10,849 posts)jalan48
(13,888 posts)The owners of the corporate media are part of the ruling class-why would they want an educated population that will question the current economic system and vote to make significant changes to it? The system is working great for the owners.
CrispyQ
(36,528 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,426 posts)Thanks for the thread, CoffeeCat.