2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie refused to say giving immunity to gun manufacturers was wrong:
Bernie wouldnt admit that giving immunity to gun manufacturers was the wrong decision:90+ people die a day from guns 30,000+ die from guns a year
Bernie voted against the Brady Bill 5 times and has flip-flopped on gun manufactures being held accountable for their killing machines. But according to Bernie, it is an urban problem he hasnt paid much attention to being from a 95% white, rural state of Vermont. And people wonder why Hillary has higher support among African-Americans? Gun violence is a huge urban issue in the African-American community, which is also linked to police brutality. Bernie just doesnt get it. But Im glad Bernie has finally flip-flopped on the issue of gun control.
Hillary represented the entire state of New York as Senator including Wall Street:
Corporations know that everyone does better under a Clinton.
Incomes rose at all levels in the 1990s.
The Clintons paid a 35.7% tax rate [40 million in total taxes] over the last 7 years. They built their success from the ground up, dating back to their days together at Yale Law School. Both Clintons embody the American dream of using their own talents to achieve success but they both have never forgotten their roots and they both pay their fair share to a country that has given them so much.
Hillary helped create and pass the childrens health insurance program, giving 8 million children health insurance. Hillary also fought for unions and a higher minimum wage as New York Senator [despite corporate contributions]. Hillary is smart enough to know it takes $$$ to beat $$$, though she and Bill have never forgotten their middle-class roots. Hillary and Bernie voted together in the Senate 93% of the time. Bernie has no accomplishments. Hillary has always stood with women, the middle-class, children, the under-privileged the invisible. Stop the character assassination against Hillary. Haters have been hating since the 1990s. She is ready. The Clintons were a net-positive for Americans.
I loved when Hillary said during the debate that she waited for a REVOLUTION that never came:
Bill and Hillary Clinton have seen the power of the Presidency. They want it again. And this time, they are ready to embrace and fight for progressive values. And if we know anything form watching the Clintons for the last 30 years, its that you want them on your team fighting for you.
The GOP has fought and failed to stop them, creating scandal after scandal since the early 1990s. Bill and Hillary Clinton remain survivors of it all.
Left-wing, dont pull a Nader and give us a Republican by ignoring the positives Hillary brings to the table. Even Obama knew the power of the Clintons by inviting them inside his bubble by making Hillary Secretary of State.
I have no doubt in Bill and Hillary Clintons ability to build a progressive infrastructure in every corner of the United States of America. The Clintons are ruthless. And I want them up against Trump or anything the GOP might throw at us.
The Clintons have deep roots in Arkansas and the South a legacy of success and support (even among those that vote Republican). Hillary might not win these states in a general election, but she will help reverse the fact that when Democrats dont vote in non-Presidential elections, the GOP takes control of state legislatures:
31 | Republican legislatures
11 | Democratic legislatures
8 | Split legislatures
This Obama-era sweep of state legislatures has resulted in devastating consequences on a local-level: the defunding of Planned Parenthood, attacks on voting rights, gerrymandering, and the denial of human rights to LGBTQ Americans.
The Clintons know how to fight fire with fire. It takes $$$ to beat $$$. During the Benghazi-hearings, Hillary proved (yet again) she can take on the GOP anytime, anywhere.
The Clintons are going to criss-cross the United States, building the political infrastructure needed to change the system through the system.
But Im glad Bernie has finally flipped-flopped from being an Independent to a Democratic Socialist.
Iraq War:
Hillary gave Bush the authorization to go to war as a *last* resort. Bush went to war as a *first* resort. Bush also didnt let the UN inspectors finish their job, something he said he would let them do. Why dont Hillary-haters have a good grasp of history!?!?
Hillary already said she regrets giving Bush the authorization for the war. But as New York Senator, she trusted him in the aftermath of 9/11, something most Americans regrettably did. Patriotism and trust was at an all-time high after 9/11/2001, and no one thought Bush would go into Iraq before the inspectors were finished.
Bernie supported funding the war, so he gets to claim he voted against the Iraq war, yet didnt do anything to actually stop it.
Hillary Clinton on the Iraq War:
Well, I have said repeatedly that if I had known then what I know now, I never would have voted to give the president authority.
It was a mistake to trust George Bush that he would do what he told all of us he would do. Now, I do not think that that is a necessarily wrong judgment at the time.
What was wrong is the way this president misused the authority that some of us here gave him. And that has been a tragedy.
Hillary points out her entire record, which includes being one of the few to advocate for the successful raid against Osama Bin Laden, to imposing the toughest sanctions on Iran by convincing the Chinese and Russians to agree to them [something that was unprecedented at the time]. Both are things the Bush Administration couldnt get done. Hillarys START treaty with Russia still exists and she improved U.S. favorability worldwide by over 20 points.
Hillary didnt vote for the Iraq war. She gave Bush the authorization to go to war as a last resort and only after the U.N. inspectors finished their job.
Bush lied. People died. Period.
Bernie Sanders wants to repeal Obamacare:
Bernies plan on healthcare is backwards. Hillary has been fighting for universal healthcare since 1993:
Bernie sounds like a Republican when he says he wants to repeal Obamacare. This will rip away the progress Obama has made:
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)JTShroyer
(246 posts)I'm genuinely curious.
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)But he certainly had carried enough of their water.
Maybe he did it all for free.
JTShroyer
(246 posts)was very telling.
and scary.
30,000+ Americans die a year from gun violence. 90+ a day.
edgineered
(2,101 posts)I looked up two things in Merriam-Webster.
One is an activity in which one exerts strength or faculties to do or perform something; the other to be or become feeble, weak, or enervated.
This post has me wondering which word to describe this OP: a) work b) languish.
JTShroyer
(246 posts)I'm wondering what the point and goal of this comment is?
edgineered
(2,101 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Unless the gun malfunctions ...in which case this law does not give them immunity. Allowing manufacturers to be sued for products that aren't faulty sets a horrible precedent and it should absolutely not be allowed.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)if there has been manufacturing negligence of some kind. Trying to establish a whole new system of liability without fault would be antithetical to our system of jurisprudence.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)She claimed that Saddam was harboring the terrorists responsible for 9/11:
It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well, effects American security.
This is a very difficult vote, this is probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make. Any vote that might lead to war should be hard, but I cast it with conviction."
If I were you I wouldn't keep flogging that issue.
SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)Cha
(297,723 posts)aikoaiko
(34,184 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)nor does it mean he was in favor of the war.
Bush wasn't going to withdraw. At that point, funding the troops buys things like body armor and pays them. Once we were there, no matter the original vote, voting to fund them is being responsible.