2016 Postmortem

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts) Sun Nov 15, 2015, 09:59 AM Nov 2015

What does any candidate, Republican or Democrat, mean when they say the fight against ISIS...

What does any candidate, Republican or Democrat, mean when they say the fight against ISIS is America's fight to lead. I agree with Governor O'Malley when he says when we put "boots on the ground" we aren't putting foot ware in a battlefield but our fellow American young men and women.

Are we going to send into troops to "re-liberate" Iraq and liberate Syria?

I don't believe this action is prudent, moral, or more importantly will be an action Americans support.

In an ideal world, there would be a U N resolution and a war can be prosecuted against ISIS under a U N flag but I believe China would vote against such a resolution as a permanent member of the Security Council and prevent it.

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What does any candidate, Republican or Democrat, mean when they say the fight against ISIS... (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 OP

In this context, treated with respect, I do not think China would veto. Ghost Dog Nov 2015 #1

Russia won't veto. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #2

Good question JustAnotherGen Nov 2015 #3

Agreed Iliyah Nov 2015 #4

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)

1. In this context, treated with respect, I do not think China would veto.

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 10:19 AM

Nov 2015

...In the history of the Security Council, almost half the vetoes were cast by the Soviet Union, with the vast majority of those being before 1965.[12]

Since 1966, out of the total 153 vetoes cast, 119 were issued by one of the council's three NATO members: the US, the UK and France.[13]

From 1946 to 2015, vetoes were issued on 236 occasions. For that period, usage breaks down as follows:

The United States has used the veto on 79 occasions between 1946 and 2015; and since 1972, it has used its veto power more than any other permanent member.[13]

Russia or the Soviet Union have used the veto on 103 occasions, more than any other of the five permanent members of the Security Council.[14]..

/... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_veto_power#Most_common_users

Nor do I think, in this context, Russia would veto.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)

2. Russia won't veto.

Reply to Ghost Dog (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 10:24 AM

Nov 2015

Wow, they are beating the drums of war on television.

The first casualty of war is not so much the truth as it is a plan.

JustAnotherGen

(31,907 posts)

3. Good question

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 10:42 AM

Nov 2015

You'll notice I've been quiet in my response to the attack on Paris. I need a lot more information about who and why - and want to make sure I'm not reacting to the horror "in the moment".

The last time we did that we got Bush for two terms and an insurmountable national debt - as well thousands of people being killed in my name.

So what do these (bpnot just our side) candidates mean?

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)

4. Agreed

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 10:44 AM

Nov 2015

That's the quagmire bestowed on the USA since WW2. At first, the USA stayed away from the conflict in Europe but it became necessary to join and since then the USA is usually front and center on any given conflict in the world. Apparently that concept is ingrain in USA policies. But the USA truly needs to change it's direction.

Unfortunately conflicts are a huge profit making machine and lives don't mean a God damn thing to profiteers.

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