2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAfter Strong Iowa Debate GOP Pollster Warns That Hillary Clinton Will Not Be Easy to Beat
Frank Luntz, the guy who crafts talking points for Republicans and does polls, has a warning for Republican candidates after Saturday nights Democratic debate: Hillary Clinton will not be easy to beat.
Luntz warned, If GOP thinks Hillary is easily beatable, theyre wrong Its not just words, but her tone & style are the best Ive seen so far.
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/11/15/republican-pollster-warn-gop-hillary-clinton-easy-beat.html
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)well. She was very composed and gave specifics n what little time she was allotted - just as one would expect from a presidential candidate at a debate.
This underscores that the PPP poll showing that she won the debate (hands down, may I add) is correct and not, as some would argue, biased in any way.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)But DU is actually the greatest contraindicator in the world.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Love your expanded vocabulary of the English language, by the way. DSB!
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Freddie
(9,275 posts)And some people here don't like this, but don't underestimate the millions of women who want to see a woman in the White House.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)I'm not going to agree with anything he said. If I believe something which happens to be similar to what he says, it is based on my own opinion, and merely accidental, LOL! Yes, she will not be easy to beat. Especially not by the lunatics that the GOP is throwing up. (And yes, I use "throwing up" in its full sense.)
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Frank Luntz is espousing the fear the GOP are contending with: Hillary Clinton is a formidable opponent and shouldn't be underestimated.
That's good advice.
BootinUp
(47,196 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)Gothmog
(145,619 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)He makes his money playing both sides.
dsc
(52,166 posts)He has never, as in not a single solitary time, worked for any Democrat at any time.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)Who are his clients on the left, "LOL LOL" ?
Thank you in advance.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)mcar
(42,376 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)i guess clinton supporters like republicans live in their own reality.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)Thats according to a survey of the POLITICO Caucus, a bipartisan group of influential strategists, operatives and activists in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada, who weighed in immediately following the second Democratic primary debate.
Nearly half of Democrats surveyed said the Vermont senator lost the debate, and only 10 percent of Democrats said he won. Those insiders who said Sanders had the worst night argued that he appeared out of his depth on foreign policy a day after terrorist attacks rocked France. He spent just a few seconds addressing the matter in his opening statement before pivoting to his familiar pitch about the economy, in stark contrast to rival Hillary Clinton, a former secretary of state who devoted her entire statement to the Paris attacks.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/insiders-bad-night-for-bernie-215901#ixzz3rZMzdqHD
A Public Policy Polling survey of Democratic primary voters nationally who watched tonights debate finds that it reinforced Hillary Clintons front runner status. Viewers overwhelmingly think she won the debate, and particularly trust her over the rest of the Democratic field when it comes to issues of national security.
Key findings from the survey include:
-67% of voters think Clinton won the debate, to 20% for Bernie Sanders and 7% for Martin OMalley. On a related note 63% of viewers said the debate gave them a more positive opinion of Clinton, compared to 41% who said it gave them a more positive opinion of Sanders, and 37% who said it gave them a more positive opinion of OMalley.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/
https://twitter.com/ChrisKofinis/status/665752437391659014?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Frank Luntz, the guy who crafts talking points for Republicans and does polls, has a warning for Republican candidates after Saturday nights Democratic debate: Hillary Clinton will not be easy to beat.
Luntz warned, If GOP thinks Hillary is easily beatable, theyre wrong Its not just words, but her tone & style are the best Ive seen so far.
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/11/15/republican-pollster-warn-gop-hillary-clinton-easy-beat.html
Immediately after Saturday night's Democratic debate, CBS News interviewed a nationally representative sample of debate watchers assembled by GfK's Knowledge Panel who identified themselves as Democrats or independents. By a 23 point margin, these debate watchers say Hillary Clinton won the debate. Fifty-one percent say Clinton won, compared to 28 percent who favor Bernie Sanders. Just 7 percent pick Martin O'Malley as the winner. Fourteen percent called it a tie.
Among Democrats, Clinton is seen as winning by more than two to one, while independents are split between Clinton and Sanders.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-who-won-the-second-democratic-debate-november-2015-cbs-news/
#iwon
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)debate than I did. Hillary did not do well, not by a long shot.
I still have to dig into this CBS poll, to see if it is at all trustworthy.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)Please excuse me if I defer to them over some random internet poster.
Thank you in advance.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)They'll spin data until they get the results they choose to report. Thanks for playing.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)She happens to be the candidate...she will lose us the WH.
The majority of voters will vote in anyone else but her.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)If HRC wins the general I will donate the $500.00 I won from the person who takes my wager to charity. I am not interested in filthy lucre or pecuniary gain. If someone takes my wager and I lose I will give $500.00 to him or her to do with as he or she pleases.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Wait.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)She will only lose on DU. (lala land)
Vattel
(9,289 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)I get the impression that some folks here would like to do away with niceties like voting.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)Yes, I suppose the GOP might pick their candidates based on style, not substance...
I would hope that we could have candidates with both, like Bernie.
Truth is, the GOP cannot defeat him, and they have the numbers to prove it. No matter which candidate the the GOP put up against him, Bernie wins hands down.
George II
(67,782 posts)...in the bunch over on the republican side.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)Her dusting the flakes off is not very lady like.
DFW
(54,445 posts)But I was present at a gathering about ten years ago or so where Hillary and Luntz present. She was still a Senator at the time. We were allowed to submit questions in writing (mine was read first!), and some of the big names, even right-wingers like Luntz and even Richard Viguerie, were allowed to pose their questions directly. Luntz, not one to shy away from making an ass of himself, came up and got down on one knee in front of Hillary to state his question (I forgot what it was). He thought he was being funny, though most of us just thought he was being an ass. One thing was clear from his demeanor, though: he was not mocking her by his childish theatrical action. Oh, he made like it was all a big joke and all. But he was truly in awe of someone that might not have as much money as he has (the Republicans have paid him a FORTUNE over the years), but has something he'll never have, namely a public persona respected beyond the cultural borders of Fox Noise.
One other thing to note--Luntz NEVER NEVER EVER says ANYTHING in public without calculating that its effects will be the desired ones with his audience. Look for another message in there when you peel back the corn husk outside his words. He's telling his money masters that he thinks they need to finance more "I-Hate-Hillary" projects, with a possible undertone of "get yer asses in gear weeding out the chaff of the Republican primaries because we have a real job to do, not just listen to Trump and Carson, neither of which will ever be our nominee." Now he could be wrong about Hillary ultimately being our nominee, but he obviously feels this way now, and is tailoring his message to his masters accordingly. He'll sing another song as easily as changing keys on a guitar with a capo if it looks like our nominee will be someone else. He doesn't care. He cares about those who pay him being happy. If they're happy, he's happy.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Go Bernie!
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I suppose because he is worried that some in the GOP are not recognizing the threat Hillary poses.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)Because despite that horrific attack, the odds of dying by a terrorist is still way way lower than dying because of poverty, and all the things that it leads to..drug abuse, chronicly bad eating habits/bad health, domestic and social unrest.
And Bernie is way ahead of Hillary on those more important issues. Those are the real "security" issues. But you can rely on the MSM, after the Paris attacks, that they probably wrote those "Hillary is tough etc" before the debate even started simply based on knowing she is the most hawkish of the three. Americans have been conditioned over decades, to have a Pavlovian response to any attack like this..the sky is falling, the sky is falling" and will run to anyone who says that only THEY will protect them from the massive unChristian hordes knocking at their door....all .001 % of them.
There is no material defense against terrorism like this. It will continue to happen no matter how "tough" a Presidential candidate sounds.
And ISIS should be handled by the 100x bigger and better organized armed forces in the Muslim countries that surround it like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran etc...
smiley
(1,432 posts)Thanks! I needed that laugh today.