2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo saying donors of a state that experienced the worst Terrorist attack in the world
while you were a sitting senator, support you for the work you did during that time, is invoking 911 to head off criticisms of individual people who contribute to a campaign?
Companies give squat to Hillary's campaign - they cannot it is against the law. Individual people who work where the attack took make donations, which isn't against the law. If it were, Bernie would have ZERO campaign dollars.
Secondly, Bernie was asked straight out if Hillary has done anything as quid pro quo for Wall Street, and his answer was NO, nothing.
The whole question was based on a false narrative to begin with. And Sanders and O'Malley's broad brush criticisms were just that. There is NOTHING Hillary has done for Wall Street that points to her being bought and paid by those companies whose employees donate to her campaign.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Are not synonymous.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)To think that her stance opposing reinstatement of Glass-Steagall is a quid pro quo is just hippie talk, and we don't need no dirty fucking hippies!
Never mind that ...
Oh yeah, and this ....
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/07/26/2362461/merill-lynch-sexist/
boston bean
(36,223 posts)And that doing that only as Bernie and Martin appear to believe will solve the problems.
I noticed not Bernie nor Martin had one thing to say about the financial institutions that actually caused the problem.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)She flip-flopped and voted for the bankruptcy bill.
boom.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)I thought Hillary was doing very well last night. Better than my preferred candidate Bernie Sanders. She was sharp, and quick, and sounded reasonable and knowledgeable throughout. It was a good, thoughtful, smart-people's debate that made me proud of our party.
Until that moment. What happened was she overreacted horribly to what is obviously a sensitive issue for her, and deployed a completely unsupportable, emotionally manipulative rationalization that made her look defensive and weak.
It sounded like a Republican talking point.
As for donors and "quid pro quo," the Citizens' United logic that massive donations, whether through individuals or PACs are free of any expectation of self interest unless a favor is literally handed over in exchange for a sack of money, is ludicrous. None of those financial firms or individuals within them are forking over money out of -- what? Gratitude for something something 9/11?
They expect to profit from her leadership, period.
And this does go to Democrats' real, substantive issues with Clinton. She lacks credibility as someone who would work to reign in the disastrous game-playing by banks and financial institutions that broke the world, and absolutely will do so again if they are not stopped from doing it.
Invoking this Giuliani-esque 9/11 rhetoric sounds disingenuous, and reinforces in my mind that she really has no good answer as to why she is the overwhelming favorite among the billionaire investor class among Democratic candidates.
Anyone who wants to see her do well would be far better served dismissing this as a poorly thought-out glitch, rather than trying to defend or rationalize it, which is frankly impossible.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Th US was able to thumb their noses at OBL. The crisis was real, the terrorist attacks were devastating, and I cannot seems to bounce back financially from it, but it did not shut down the nation. Like it or not, finances and economics had to be shored up.
R B Garr
(16,990 posts)people can talk about 9/11. If she talks about it, she's criticized. I'm so tired of that phoniness.
Her response was perfectly understandable, and it's phony as hell to try and shut her up to slip in the phony moral high ground. Bernie comes from a safe little state so his morally pious complaints ring hollow. He obviously fled New York to live in obscurity, so who cares about his narrow views. He obviously has no qualms about invoking whatever heebie jeebies he wants to malign her, but she's not allowed to answer in kind? Forget that, BS!