That would include all University polls, Nate's 538 and any other scientific poll that does not show Bernie winning in all 50 states. It that better?

until one realizes the disastrous effects that capitalist social relations have on working class people such as yourself (you are a worker and not an owner I presume ?) and most of the rest of the population. Intolerance of opinions can be a very positive thing in regards to rejecting the policies and prerogatives of the capitalist ruling class. The idea is to shift intolerance to the right things.

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that those voting to hide don't agree with, we've got a problem. When a group starts to decide what opinions can be expressed and which cannot even be seen - were heading for trouble.

I have noticed that some of the Bernie supporters are extremely intolerant of those opinions which they don't agree with - in particular, who should be the Democratic Party's candidate - and will vote to hide the comments of those who don't agree with them.

I am very suspicious of those who want to censor what can be said. This is antithetical to the spirit of open discussion of issues which by the way is how you achieve a stronger Democracy.

This is the behavior of ideologues, True Believers and fanatics.

This is why I bailed from the Republican party - along with the fact that they are whores to the Plutocrats.

as far as that goes. It's not something I take part in myself. Mileage definitely varies from that stance. When I said intolerance of opinions can be a very positive thing in regards to rejecting the policies and prerogatives of the capitalist ruling class... it didn't mean hiding or alerting on posts. It did mean full out ruthless criticism and analysis of ruling class ideology and capitalist social relations. Better to let the enemy speak and define where the enemy stands. Otherwise, which side one stands on in the struggle between labor and capital and working class and ruling class can't present itself with clarity.

to the notion that people who disagree with me are "the enemy".

I am very wary of 'True Believers' who view anybody who disagrees with them as evil people, familiars of the devil and otherwise despicable, immoral people.

It's the True Believers who are inclined to believe it's okay to silence those who disagree with them because to disagree with someone who is so obviously Right the 'other' must be driven by immoral, evil motives. The True Believer therefore feels it's okay to treat the non-believer in any way the True Believer sees fit.... to include, at the very least, not extending to the non-believer conventional courtesies such as the opportunity to state their position without being silenced or subject to character assassination for doing so.

I have seen this "True Believer" behavior displayed numerous times on this site by Sanders supporters (alerting and swarming on someone who doesn't see things their way). The ironic thing is Sanders himself would reject this kind of behavior since he above all else feels individuals should be able to state their case without being silenced or regarded as hateful, immoral people just because they don't agree with your position. I guess I am sensitive to this because I saw so much of this kind of behavior in Republican party.

The book True Believer, by Eric Hoffer is a very good read, if you're so inclined.

Not interested in reforming or perfecting anybody on a personal level. That's religion not politics. Also not interested in agreeing to disagree with those who deal in the religion of subjective personal beliefs and call that leftist politics.

Leftists don't deal in subjective beliefs. Leftists deal in objective material reality. What is real and what isn't in material reality. Someone can believe the earth is flat. They have the right to believe that. That doesn't make is true in scientific material reality. Someone can believe capitalism is a righteous and benevolent asset to the human condition. They have a right to believe that. That doesn't make it true in objective material reality.

People either stand with the demands of the ruling class, the brutalities of capitalism, and injustice or they stand with the demands of the working class and economic and social justice for all. Those who stand with the ruling class and those brutalities and injustice are the enemy of the working people, the oppressed, the struggling. That is what I meant by the enemy.

it's really a shame you're feeling short-changed. That being said... it could be an act of nature and evolution that is bringing about such feelings rather than anything I posted.

Typical

Not bought tweets.

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terrable performance by her.

Attacking bernie supporters won't get you anywhere.But,i expect that from clinton supporters.

Particularly this line: "That's why I feel it must be Republicans "for" Bernie who go after anybody who doesn't 'fall in line' with their position with a childish vindictiveness and rage I used to see from members of the GOP"

That is about the stupidest thing I have read here in ages.

cool story bro.