That's why she protected the gerrymandered seat of her good pal Ross-Lehtinen.

Accusing them of treason, and implying that a Democratic president is complicit in or enabling treason, is way over the top..Free Republic stuff.

But questioning DWS's motives is justified. How is HRC going to hold up in a debate with one of the looney republicans if she can't debate in prime-time?

It's beyond the pale when discussing party politics. It just makes a whole lot of people look so ridiculous to the point that it's hard to take a lot of people seriously anymore.

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of treason for something like this. We've got the Republicans for that..

criticism of those who are supposed to be our leaders? I lived in banana Republics in South America where there was more freedom of speech to criticize party leaders.

because of the DNC under DWS. Can anyone tell me something she has done that turned out well? She must go

Then we can feel good about getting destroyed in November.

But that does not change the fact that at the present time it is very likely she will lose the GE. Especially if the Republican candidate is Rubio with a woman or Carson as VP. Remember this year experience is something that is not a positive, but a negative.

because of the Paris attacks. Also, I wish Obama had been more forceful in his recent speech on Paris. I know he is cool and calm, but IMO he needs to display just a little more emotion of conviction. A good percentage of the American electorate sadly votes with emotions IMO and not well thought out logic.

A steady diet of Fox, Rush, Beck, and the rest of the ultra-right-wing nuts on television and/or radio will do that to them.

Case in point. She has no idea what she's talking about but she wants people to think she's informed.

better leader IMO. I also quit my membership and contributions to the DNC some time ago and now just give to individual candidates.

A lot depends on what happens between now and then, and who the Repub nominee is.

Oh well.

Interesting.

What a shock.

And another poster given a vacation courtesy of the ever inclusive Sanders Supports.

Power to the people!

Did you even bother to read what he said?

I read the whole thread .......I was on the jury.

A proud moment for you, no doubt.

hell, decade even!

Voting for a hide for someone calling a good DU'er a right-wing nut job - even a six year old could have come up with something a bit more original - I thought so, anyway.

Feeling lonely lately so I appreciate the company.

But you are not okay with being hidden for calling another DUer a rwnj?

The Sanders crowd is gaming that shitty system to ban the opposition.

You can have the hypotheticals.

Clinton group. If not more.

...but neither can I refute it.

However, my observation is that the Sanders opponents of all stripes get alerted at least 2x as much as Sanders supporters. Not even close.

party that disparages the Progressives and then expects them to support the Billionaires candidate.

... lobbed that flaming road apple over the wall and then abandoned the thread?

I do admire someone with the courage of their convictions.

More people tune in to the repubbies for the entertainment value. The republican debates are such a joke that they are more fun to watch when people are looking for laughs. They want to see who will make the most outrageous statements. They want to see and hear first hand the things the comedians will be making jokes about on the upcoming late night talk shows.

Also, the media give the repubbies more coverage. It is that whole thing about making the elections a horserace.

People who want actual substance are fewer in numbers, so fewer people are watching the Democrats.

This thread is almost as silly as the republican debates.

Republicans got the viewers simply because people wanted to see what would happen.

Saturday evening? When all sorts of amazing college football games are on TV? Great choice, DWS.

I'm a big sports fan. The debates were boring- thats why no one watches.

Period. The football games assisted in the effort. Well planned out.

It's on the record, and the record will be played, in perpetuity.

But the same people will vote in a presidential election. They check in on debates to learn about the candidates. The Democratic Party has a great opportunity this election cycle to court the sane low information voter who is turned off by the Republicans. And this is how they are playing it. It's disgusting.

and that this debate should have been held on a Weekday and .................

They are nihilist who are just mad, but have no rational policy to correct things

We got to get the republicans out of our party. I understand that when the repubs started going crazy with religious shit that moderate republicans had no where to go but they are a drag on our party. We don't need to debate when no one's looking.

Seems to me it's an older problem... as in politicians controlling the party for their own interest. That is what drives controlling the choices people have.

They are forever telling us we have no choice but the ones they provide. If we broke out of our current Stockholm syndrome and actually voted on our preferences rather than the Hobb's choices they shovel, things would be different.

DWS and Co, really don't want things to be different.

I'd agree that the 'thinkers' behind the founding of the DLC/New Dems certainly included conservatives comfortable as republicans. Those folks have moved freely between Amerian political parties as advisors.

The success of the New Dems mostly was and mostly remains an experience enjoyed by the political and financial elite whom it well serves.

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Debbie W Schultz is a disgrace.

...to make Sanders boring as hell.

Thousands of people go to his rallies and other events because he's boring as hell.

When Sanders wins the Democratic primary, I will apologize to you. (If he wins anything after March 1, I'll apologize.)

You folks claim that Sanders is SO popular and so inspiring (despite having plateaued in the polls) and draws such ginormous crowds (13,500 in basketball arena is totally cool, but still a bit shy on the necessary votes). But he is a one trick pony: he hates big money. Granted, that's inspiring to about 30% of the Democrats, but 30% of the Democrats ain't gonna win much.

So, when Sanders wins the nomination, I will find you and offer my contrition.

And we can both mourn the pending loss to the Republicans -- no matter who it might be.

I really, really dislike Clinton, but I'll be damned if I'm casting my vote for "Not Hillary."

Truth to Power!!!!1111one

Keep in mind that Bernie has held national political office for 25 years. He is every bit as much a part of "the establishment" as another other declared candidate for president.

scheduling of these debates, yet she has done nothing to make a change. I don't know what we can do to remedy the situation. I am
angry. Bernie can win (IMO) if he is given time in our MSM to get his strong ideas out for all to hear.

This is a disservice to the people. Thanks for the post eridani.

IF Donald Trump wins... my god, it would have to be the fault of DWS... and I am sure the rest of DU would be thoroughly sick to our stomachs!!

and some are very scared that his message is going to hit it.

Let Trump agitate it because that can ultimately benefit those in power who want tighter and more rigid control over us, who want us to work more and harder while getting less and less in return.

But let Bernie strike that nerve with talk about more democracy and a fair and equitable distribution of the wealth that we help to create...that's very dangerous to some.

'Her' party has made it's choice and is working to make it real.

about her for months. There is probably dozens of posts in here about her inability to perform as DNC chair. Her track record has been nothing but failure. Just look at 2012, when she did absolutely nothing. So, now that this presidential race has begun, she is doing her best to sabotage it. In doing so, she takes a huge risk for the democratic party by reducing debates. She thinks Hillary is a shoe in and debates could possibly hurt her candidate. I have even written letters to Obama. I don't know what more we can do to get her out of office. If the viewing numbers alone tell you something, it means the GOP will win the white house. God helps us all if that happens.

only 6 debates.2 which won't happen if establishment can fix the vote on super tuesday.

it is to limit americans seeing bernie and protect Clinton.CBS tried to protect clinton by not putting part 4 on their youtube channel.

DWS scheduled debates where few will see them.

The whole mess stinks. Horrendous scheduling, "scientific polls" featuring only the through and through tried and true Democrat right or wrong, the posters with coordinated attack based all in maintaining the status quo (the genitalia makes ALL the dif).
You'd think there some vast conspiracy, but those only exist AGAINST Clintons, they're far too squeaky clean and isolated from the halls of power.

IMO.

That is going to matter.

I mean it's not like the GOP clown car has TONS of entertainment value, (better than Two Broke Girls and repeats of Married with Children) and it's not as though there was a terrorist attack in a major capital city that was being covered non-stop on cable news.

It really is a shame that nobody is interested enough to watch live network TV. Too bad nobody thought to DVR it.

If only the debate hadn't conflicted with our Saturday bridge game next-door at the Johnson's! There's all that, plus the fact that we've already made up our minds.

"2, no-trump."

Only hard core political junkies watch the debates. Sorry- They are boring. How many times will we hear Bernie's stump speech as an answer to every question or hear Hillary spout policy details. It's not great TV.

I guess the "fact" that we've only been imagining a coronation and an extremely undemocratic fix escaped politico.



They would rather risk a Trump Presidency that they can blame on liberals staying home on election day than have a democratic Democratic primary.

And the lack of debates and spread of the debates is poor as well.

Just like scheduling a debate opposite a NFL playoff game.

And it seems most are not interested in Bernie. I would attribute a lot of that to his first debate performance. I know the people at my debate party felt he solidified every concern they had about him.

than see bernie in the wh. no other explanation

anyone notice that the three debates right before voting starts are on weekends?

the only two left on weeknights are the last two, which dws desperately hopes won't be needed. but i am sure thats just a coincidence.

for the losses

nice double-barreled effect there

people are really on to their game. the obvious scheduling of the debates which benefits not only hrc but the GOP pushed it over the edge. its been the trump show for months with only brief interruptions for the dems to try and squeak their message out.

she is an embarassment (dws)

then they presume they'll fight the GOP and win

they're already talking about how marvelously large a turnout for Clinton vs Trump will be!

if they lose the ge(ok maybe a little) as long as hillary was the nom and bernie is not in the wh. a while back, a poster who i will not mention for privacy made a comment on a thread that if bernie is the nom, the dnc will cede the wh to the gop and focus on the other races.

that pretty much says it all imo

The things we can read on DU....




Here's some stuff for the "DWS hates Bernie" crowd:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/259298-sanders-dnc-strike-fundraising-deal
Sanders, DNC strike fundraising deal

she is using his popularity to raise money for the dnc...she is not helping him, he is helping her. there will not be that many people giving his campaign 2700....he is subsisting on small donations.

make no mistake...she knows this is a good move for the dnc

that besides any donations he might get(and i don't predict a lot), the money will help dems get elected. and he knows getting dems elected is better than getting repubs elected.

bernie, generous and pragmatic.

You've got to rent your little patch, just like everyone else. That's why he's doing it. It no doubt smoothed his way when he went to file in NH, too.

If he's used as a headliner at a fundraiser, he's free to snatch the max personal contribution from each person he can persuade, and I have a feeling that he won't hesitate to take his cut.

i never disputed that. i was just making the point that dws is not motivated by altruism.

a cheerleader. Her job is to manage the national committee, and a MASSIVE part of that is Raking In The Dough. She wants to get the most buck for the bang, and she's going to require everyone with any drawing power to put their shoulder to the wheel and pitch in.

She's not going to let people slide, either--if they want to play at the convention, and they have any cachet at all, they're gonna do some work for "Mother DNC." Conventions cost money, after all. So do downticket races.

and your summary is a perfect indictment of the corrupt and rigged "money buys all" system created and worsened by c.u.

There isn't anyone on the left who likes CU--everyone on our side wants it trashed.

It's the GOP who like it, because they don't mind being bought. Most of those "screw the little people" ideas that the fatcats have are right in their wheelhouse.

Playing the purity game, though, ain't gonna score us a win. We have to use Big Money to get rid of Big Money. We're screwed if we think we can win by eschewing it, and even Sanders is figuring this out.

It's a big arena.

where people are sick of the price of admission to play in this twisted game.

has hillary committed to overturning cu? if you have a link handy on her position i would love to read it. and no, that is not sarcasm

And the elephants will be shitting in OUR front yards.

Here's where the Supreme Court matters:

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/05/19/today-in-politics-clinton-says-citizens-united-would-guide-her-supreme-court-picks/

thanks for the link

real elephants would never shit in our front yard. unlike republicans, they have ethics and decorum

Thank you, eridian!

All of this bullshit manipulation, control and unfairness will come back on Hillary. The hits just keep on coming with how she has so many unfair advantages that she orchestrates, the DNC orchestrates and the media orchestrates.

All this does is underscore the fact that she's a lying, manipulative, entitled fraud.

How can anyone trust this woman?

Her entire campaign is hyper-orchestrated--right down to the Twitter followers that she buys, the paid-off fake pollsters and her plastic, scripted campaign.

This is all going to implode on her. She's just so over the top with her phony baloney tactics.

It's getting old.

If you're going to go full snark at least try to be amusing

...engaging in these tactics. It's insulting to those of us who take our Iowa caucuses seriously. We're used to dealing with candidates who actually engage with voters, answer their tough questions and make a serious effort to communicate with us.

Hillary, on the other hand traipses through out state--avoiding all of this.

In 2008 in Iowa, she planted questioners in one of her audiences--while acting as if these questions were sporadic and unexpected. Her manipulative tactics and dishonesty were outed by a reporter from the Des Moines Register.

She also sent in her mouthpiece Bob Kerrey from Nebraska to endorse her and say, "I love that his full name is Barack Hussein Obama!" during at time when the Republicans were accusing Obama of being a Muslim and lying about his Christianity. Kerrey later apologized for his remarks.

So yeah, when this shit happens in my backyard, it's insulting.

I've seen many caucus cycles in this state. I've met lots of Republicans candidates as well as the Democrats that I supported--Obama, Kerry, Dean. These candidates were warm, friendly, engaging and they took questions from Iowans. Hillary is inaccessible and canned. She's fake.

So yeah, it gets a bit annoying.

The world is watching the GOP because it's a freak show at the carnival. Let's not use rating numbers to imply the GOP is winning and it's also not Hillary's fault that Sanders isn't competitive.

Our party stood for. It's a fucking shame.

forgotten by now. The are a donation supported organization and by now they should be realizing that we are not going to pay for nothing.

I get at lest a dozen emails a day asking for money. I ignore them like they are ignoring me.

I'm sure if you did they'd start paying attention.

come 2016.

The pendulum is in full swing, indeed.

To sufficiently game the system to lock us out for a generation. One really has to start wondering if it's actually ineptness or deliberate sabotage.

No more DNC funding from me.

IMO, the R debates having higher ratings for 2 reasons:

1) R's can't stand President Obama. He's kicked their ass twice. He's been in office for 7 years. They're fired up about an R being the next president the way we were with the last guy. They're automatically going to be more interested/invested.

2) Trump. Trump is a buffoon, but he's good for ratings. People want to see what crazy shit is going to come out of his mouth. Same went for Palin in years past. Whatever % of the people loved her -- whatever % of the people couldn't stand her, but lots of people from both camps clicked on articles and watched her on TV. If Trump dropped out I guarantee you their ratings #'s would take a nosedive.

Having a debate on Saturday night is dumb as hell though.

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And it's not too hard to imagine just that happening!!!!

..to win the primary. It's stupid.

in an unstoppable landslide in order to counteract all the dirty deeds that are being done, and which will be done, by Wall St. and their minions to prevent him from becoming POTUS.

If we cannot get this done, the transparent loss of party integrity will cause the Democratic party to be tossed into the dustbin of history.