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I trust Hillary on her experience and ability, the debate exposed large gaps in the ability of Sanders in foreign policy, he does nit have a gripe on world events and history. It is scary.

I would love to see them.

I'll make one too:

I trust Bernie on his experience and ability, the debate exposed large gaps in the ability of Clinton in foreign policy, she does not have a grip on world events and history. It is scary.

If you want to see quotes about what I am talking about, I'm sure you can find a transcript online.

expressing my interpretation of your response:

What could this post mean or possibly have to do with anything?

things and stuff go ask somebody ...... I saw things.

I hope I cleared up your 'thinking ''

Just say anything. Doesn't matter if it makes sense.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

I really like Bernie's foreign affairs positions.

Military force is a total last resort. Yep. I'm on board with that.

Building broad coalitions with other nations when actions are taken. Yep. I'm totally on board with that one too.

Apparently you think that was some sort of insult. Or was it a RW talking point?

Provide evidence or STFD&STFU

Your choice.

...when she voted AGAINST the Democratic Majority, and voted with REPUBLICANS to give BUSH a blank check for the Iraq War.
What a friggen disaster.

OTOH: Bernie, and the majority of DEMOCRATS voted NO WAY!
...which proved to be the correct Foreign Policy decision.


I like people who make the right decisions under pressure.
I don't vote for people who Got-It-All-WRONG,
and killed a MILLION innocent people.

the debate, she is showing her ability to be Commander-in-Chief.

because she sure demonstrated an extremely poor grasp of Foreign Policy
when she stood with George Bush to invade the wrong country.

Not show up Saturday, I dont think there is enough time before the primaries begin. It concerns me he has voted on bills involving issues over the world without a grasp on what is happening, perhaps this is why he voted against the ISIS Resolution, he was not familiar enough with ISIS to understand.

Great response to emotional monkey-brain support for Clinton.

Not surprised.

does seem to be scarce in some. At least that gives them a link with their candidate.

and created more problems.

Clinton is responsible, along with the other Democratic Senators who gave Chimp his war on.

Go tell them it is okay because Bush invaded Iraq and it okays anything they do. If faced with them getting ready to behead you will you think it is okay because Bush invaded Iraq. All of the talk about Bush invading Iraq is not going to change the fact something has to be done to stop ISIS.

While you are looking.... Go tell the Congress who supported Bush's illegal, off-budget war that the only compassionate next step is to sustain that war and cause more rape, kidnapping, slaughter, and FUNDING of real weapons of mass destruction. Go tell Congress and the president that ONCE AGAIN, it was just fine to invade and occupy the wrong country in our name, and not look back for the sake of looking forward to every bit of this mess we now see an an international level, deciding off-budget, with OUR MONEY, in 3 DAYS after this last event in Paris that more of the same has to be done.

It was mistake we were warned about by Bernie Sanders to go there and it is a mistake to sustain it.

We can continue to live in the past or live for the future, I choose to live today.

... to demonstrate that it results in learning NOTHING.

terrorists attacks. Have we not learned sometimes there is a proper action at the proper time.

Hundreds of thousands of innocent people died horrible, horrible deaths. Five million Iraqis became refugees. Thousands of American troops killed and tens of thousands wounded and came home to find cut safety nets, many ending up on the streets or in prison. The financial cost was in the trillions which is to be borne by the 99% (not the 1%). The suicide rate for veterans is about 22 per day (none in the 1%). We (the 99% we, not the ruling 1%) have lost many freedoms via acts like the Patriot Act.

This war broke the 99% to a point that we may not recover. The 1% gained more wealth. Those that supported this war should see consequences. HRC made a mistake, a mistake that hurt us in the 99% while helping the 1%. It was a big mistake and she should never be trusted again.

Lack of empathy is a Republicon trait.

him muscle to back up diplomacy. Do they really think that all that rhetoric from the neo-cons (Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc) was just talk?

Are you completely tone deaf? These absurd claims you keep making about foreign policy without any quote or even summary are borderline insane. This shift you made to "don't you care about raped so and so...." is eerily reminiscent of a certain candidate shifting the attention from questionable campaign donations to 9/11.

I'm pretty sure it formed in 1999.

Maybe you need a nap.

Again....What could this post mean or possibly have to do with anything?

You make zero sense.

and changed our actions it very well got have. But you're not interested in making the future better. Oh well, have a lovely day.

revert to "RW talking points" when they cannot defend the allegations they read.

True statements about Hillary are right wing talking points and lies about Bernie are truth.

It just rolls of their tongues way too easy doesn't it?

I asked once, there are very few sources other than RW to begin with, so any critical thinking about her motives, actions etc are going to come from there, aren't they. Her own people have shown little regard to self reflection so that leaves only the real left to do it from a nonRW standpoint. And we have no real venue to get our message out.

Except social media. Which is also down played.

What isn't understood by h supporters is that the truth of observation stands, how it affects the observer depends on their filter. The RW doesn't trust or like h, so her actions inflict a reaction. The Left doesn't trust and barely tolerates her, so her actions also inflict a reaction. The emotion of why it is a bad action may differ, but the outcome reaction is the same. Distrust.

RW talking points of Hillary's speeches is used on RW talk shows, so if the shoe fits then wear it.

Hillary has the experience and ability to be president, I can stand behind her as the best candidate running for president. I can quote her position on the issues anytime, I am confident of her ability.

It must be pretty blatant for everyone but the the followers to see it.

have had their talking points about the Clintons for a long time. They are repeated over and over, there will be the Bill stories, the stories about her time as SOS. This was before Sanders even started running for president.

and it is just like you all agreeing with something that comes out of the H thinktank and friends against the other candidates.

But if it is truth it is truth.

So do I!

Was I not clear?

Now I'm not sure exactly what Bernie does nit have a gripe about. I agree that nits are scary, makes my scalp itch just thinking about them.

Oh, and BTW, are you actually accusing me of using RW talking points?



Thanks for proving my point about surrogates using half-baked half truths and lies.

Is it possible that this gif is showing that HRC has nits falling on her shoulder?

I've been ignoring everyone with fly swatters and that gif in their signatures. It's a lot less infuriating to read here now.

But still it makes me wonder why you would bring that up replying to me.

Sure they are.

those are left-wing talking points! She will "protect Big Oil from lawsuits over damages from fracking operations" said no right-wing person ever. Right-wing supporters would never point that out because they hope it isn't noticed.

Add to the list?

Doesn't matter apparently.

ANY criticism of Hillary are "RW Talking points" and blasphemy to Clintonism.


Also, Sanders' supporters are apparently all rude and "vile". This is a given in Clintonism.

Your list is spot on, and it is amazing to me that her supporters will just stick their fingers in their ears and chant "la-la-la-la-la" rather than step back and truly ask whether their support is in their own best interests and the interests of the country.

And having to tolerate it from members of our own party was unacceptable.

Those alert-happy brownshirts should move to North Korea if they want party purity. I hear Kim Jong Un has 100% turnout and 100% of the vote which some (note to the potential jurists responding to the inevitable alert - please notice the word "some&quot of these HRC supporters seem to think is the goal in the United States.

As Hillary Clinton continues on her inexorable march to the White House I expect the attacks on her and her supporters to grow exponentially as they become more vitriolic.


<patiently waits for the brigade to attack me. I will dispatch them with same aplomb I demonstrated in dispatching the bullies I encountered as a young boy on the playgrounds of New York city>

There is no separation between the Brian of real life and the Brian of DU and there isn't one thing I have said on the internet since I bought my first desk top in 1998 that I wouldn't say to my interlocutor's face.

Yes, I am anything if not unfailingly polite.

and more....have a good day.

Who the fuck are Brian? Are they twins or multiple personalities.

I was born in Far Rockaway , Queens. I moved with my parents to Deltona, FL when I was twelve years old. My parents owned a candy store/luncheonette in Redfern and then in Jamaica, Queens . Since they both worked there was no one at home to take care of me and those were the areas I spent a lot of time growing up.

Thinking I had you confused with someone else

It was near Butler Plaza.

The latter seem to be well represented on this board.

If you believe I am an internet tough guy for deigning or rising to defend myself, depending on your vantage point, from verbal or physical attacks it is not even beyond your ken to find out.

In fact my first impulse is to be deferential.

In fact , many developmental psychologists believe your personality is pretty well set before you even reach puberty.

I served on a jury where one member of our community called another member of our community a "special snow flake" and voted to leave it alone. We are all "special snow flakes."

Vive la difference.

Bore the hell out of them...thanks!

just the one about big pharma, for instance?

Others might say he pulled them out of his, errrr ear.

This is my experience and personal observation. I see no evidence to the contrary on any of the points.

Show me how I am wrong about any of the points I've named and you can change my mind.

what specifically is that referring to?

Well, they're busy doing what they do...working, taking care of children and loved ones, shopping, ...y'know, their lives...

and they already know Clinton's name, so.... just go with that! Because Bill was so good, y'know.


It becomes more obvious as time (and debates) go on that she is winning due to name recognition. A thing supported by the media, who might mention the other candidates about half? a third? as much.

You think name recognition is the issue? Don't underestimate the voters.

For the average voter....yes.

Most of them have passed Elisabeth Kubler-Ross' Five Stages Of Grief Shock and Denial Stage and are now in the Anger Stage. They only have three more Stages to go and we should be there every step of the way.

Just remember it will be a lot more difficult for them than it will be for us and we need to be there for them every step of the way.

I find it weird the fixation on Sanders' supporters people for Hillary have.

We aren't electing Sanders' supporters.


I think it's because if one poo-poos Sanders positions and ideas and notions, you don't sound very liberal.


But... go after the supporters.... who you might need if Clinton gets the nomination.

December 15th, if I got it right.

To flail his arms and give good speeches against Wall Street, the current minimum wage and Keystone.

I trust Hillary to be President of the United States.

They are grieving for their impending candidate's loss and in their grief they are lashing out indiscriminately. Rather then respond in kind we should try to understand them and comfort them.

That doesn't mean we should become patsies though,

I wonder if that would be fun? No telling, I don't think I could do that because I'm too honest. Maybe people would be nice to some of us. Glad you feel better this morning.

Thank you for your concern...I am dealing with a nasty bout of extensor tendonitis.


I was feeling a bit down and then asked myself what WWHD (What would Hillary do) and decided it was incumbent upon me to soldier on.