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Jim Webb may have abandoned his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination, but the former senator from Virginia is not finished criticizing Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Mr. Webb, a former combat Marine, accused Mrs. Clinton of disparaging the United States Marine Corps when she said that she was turned away when she wanted to serve in 1975.
Last week, Republicans mocked Mrs. Clinton after she told voters in New Hampshire about her flirtation with military service and recalled that the Marines rebuffed her as too old when she inquired about enlisting at age 26.
She should tell us when and where this meeting took place, and with whom, Mr. Webb wrote in a Facebook post on Monday.
Mrs. Clinton has repeatedly disparaged the integrity of the Marine Corps by claiming she was turned away from serving as a JAG officer in 1975 because she was too old at age 26 and too vision-impaired. She should tell us when and where this meeting took place, and with whom. http://bit.ly/1QEAP0R
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dinkytron
(568 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)oasis
(49,398 posts)Hepburn
(21,054 posts)IMO, Webb is a Marine and I find that his statements most likely have more to do with what she appears to have prevaricated about trying to join than they have to do with any attempts at making himself relevant to the up-coming presidential election.
JMHO
oasis
(49,398 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)He had already fizzled by then.
oasis
(49,398 posts)Note Webb's use of the word "repeatedly".
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Hepburn
(21,054 posts)Guess others know better...but the info that Hillary claimed she tried to up to the Marines and was turned down -- new to me.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale Ive ever seen.
Well, maybe not the very biggest. But, it's up there.
oasis
(49,398 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)I did so on the basis of the implausibility of the story itself.
If I were relying on his opinion and only his opinion, I might well question his motives in say thing. As it is, I could care less.
oasis
(49,398 posts)More power to you.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Some Hillary supporters are really funny.
merrily
(45,251 posts)she has ruined the integrity of the Marines. I don't think that was her intent and I don't think that story is going hurt the reputation of the Marines in any way.
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)I find that hard to believe on age and on poor eye sight they told her to go away? Does not pass the smell test as far as I am concerned.
JMHO
merrily
(45,251 posts)....I have friends who were JAG during and right after VN. One went to a 3rd rate law school, one had had major back surgery, and another wore thick glasses. All of them made it into the service. Go figure.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)is what it is. At that time, they would have bent over backwards for an Ivy League married lady to enter JAG to prove that they were attempting to integrate women more fully in the service during that time period.
I'm not going to outright claim that anyone who believes that story sign up for a course on detecting bullshit stories, but I won't rule it out, either.
Gullible is the only word that is not in the dictionary.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)it should be a Marine.
This is the *second* time she has done this type of thing.
It dishonors those who were enlisted to pretend "I could have been one of you, but didn't get the time of day."
Which is utter horseshit. An Ivy League educated J.D. at a time when establishing women's liberation would have been ran, not walked to the appropriate recruiting Officer.
I'm all out of fucks to give if somebody wants to alert on this post, because it reflects poorly on the candidate herself to keep pushing absolutely insulting nonsense, harms the Democratic party, and stolen valor reflects poorly on our country.
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MaggieD
(7,393 posts)He acts like a republican, and talks like one too. No wonder he got no support and had to drop out.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)I'm not paying any attention to his opinion, only to the implausibility of her story itself.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Try not to exaggerate like that. Okay?
merrily
(45,251 posts)own account, she told the Marine recruiter she was 26 about to be 27, when it was two or three weeks after her 28th birthday--at a time when aging out of the draft was something very much discussed. And an intelligent woman with an Ivy League education never thought to call and check the requirements before making the trip to the recruiting office?
Story, which she has supposedly told exactly the same way for 20 years, is highly implausible on its face. And, on top of that, turns out she was not too old or too impaired for JAG anyway.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)You're all looking desperate at this point.
Sounds perfectly plausible to any professional woman who spent time in the south in the 1970's. You're simply invested in smearing her even when you have not a leg to stand on. And you have not yet come to grips with the fact that it serves no purpose other than to alienate your fellow liberals.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Certainly not by saying that her story is implausible on its face, because it is and the reasons I gave had nothing to do with Arkansas in 1975, only with her own words. Only one sentence out of a two paragraph post had anything to do with the recruiter.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Do you think the Bernie supporters who troll the pages of John Lewis' or DWS or HRC's or Union FB pages, or tweet out hateful shit to POC or any of that helps Bernie?
THAT is what is implausible. His supporters are killing him, yet you do not realize it. Even some of my son's friends who support Bernie have said this to me. They are becoming embarrassed to be associated with this stuff.
Believe it or not real Democrats notice. And if you don't think this crap is alienating them then you have your head in the sand, IMO. Keep going and his supporters will soon be held in the same esteem as we hold the tea party.
https://www.facebook.com/schultz.connie/posts/10153584167380272 (That's Sherrod Brown's wife).
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)This is such a cute post I could smoosh it's face and kiss it on both cheeks. Do you really think you are making a case for Hillary and that you have been civil. I have seen more anti stuff coming from you than anything remotely pro Hillary. It seems you like to tear people down and talk to them as if you are scolding. Keep it up Ambassador.
Docreed2003
(16,869 posts)Webb may very well be a disgruntled POS but his point is not without merit. Marines take being a Marine very seriously, to the point that there is no such thing as an "ex-marine". One of my proudest achievements as a Navy physician was earning, and I stress earning, my Fleet Marine Force qualification which allowed me to wear the marine emblem on my uniform as a part of the qualification. They do not award it lightly. For Sec Clinton to suggest, near Veterans Day no less, that she would have joined the Marines if she hadn't been turned away, is a slap in the face to the Marine Corps. At 26, there would be no age restriction and eyesight wouldn't be a disqualification of service in JAG. For Sec Clinton to suggest that she would have served if only she hadn't been turned away, reeks of political opportunism and absolute bullshit. Webb is correct when he says it is a slap in the face to the Corps
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Webb is an asshole and always has been.
Docreed2003
(16,869 posts)Webb may be an asshole, see my post, but it is not without merit to call out Sec Clinton for what she said. Her excuse is absolute bullshit and the statement itself reeks of, "I would have served too..if only" and it's fucking insulting. You either serve/served or you don't/didn't. To play some bs, "I was nearly just like you card" near Veterans Day is just grade A political BS.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)And you are free to not believe her. What you shouldn't be doing is calling her a liar with not a shred of proof to support that. Would you do that to someone in your family, or who you worked with, or a neighbor? I would hope not. It's beyond the bounds of common decency.
Docreed2003
(16,869 posts)It's not sexist to call out a lie. There has never been an age limit on service as low as 26 for becoming an officer and there are no eyesight limitations to becoming a JAG officer. Neither one of those statements is true either now or then. And yes, I sure as hell would call someone out who said something so absurd, even a family member. I would do it because I take too much pride in my service to this country and I care too much for the young men I cared for and watched bleed their last drops of blood for the same cause. That may well make me an asshole in your eyes, and so be it, but I find her statements just as outrageous as Ben Carson's West Point statement. I find her statement just as offensive now as I did when she was called out for it in 08. I don't have to know her personally to know that the facts of what she is saying don't add up.
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)I see no reason to doubt what she said. Since when does anyone think that the service was woman-friendly in the 70s?
My dad's a Marine -served long ago- and even though he's a Repub, he doesn't even doubt her story. The only reason to, is to try to damage her.
I couldn't provide any definitive proof of half of what I did in my 20s.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Clearly.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)In the Democratic primary. He's a Democrat I guess, not that I care.
But it's not like he's a random nobody.
Anything to smear her, apparently.
oasis
(49,398 posts)in his pursuit of an independent/ third party ticket.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I've somehow associated myself with Webb?
The nonsense that gets posted on this board to smear Bernie's supporters knows no bounds.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)You are making an assumption based on the fact that you hate her. You have not a single shred of proof to back up your accusation.
So let me ask you, are you cool with Hillary supporters just making shit up about Bernie? I could come up with a few interesting assumptions pulled out of my ear if you would like.
merrily
(45,251 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)And yes, you ARE making shit up about her. If you aren't, then post proof of your accusations. I'll wait.
merrily
(45,251 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Please explain your "baby talk posting" insult.
Now let's try a made up story about Bernie that comes straight out of my imagination just like yours about Hillary.
Bernie once wrote about women fantasizing about rape, and how that is typical of women. So clearly he hates women and it is just not plausible given his history that he would protect women's pay, or protect their right to choose or their birth control rights.
Can we go with that since making shit up is apparently fair game? Let me know. I have a log in over at DI too. I am sure the right wingers over their would eat it up.
I can come up with lots more too. Wanna have some fun?
merrily
(45,251 posts)criticize her policies is very childish. You should have been able to figure that out on your own.
I made nothing up about Hillary and am not going to deflect into bs about Bernie with you. So sorry!
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)...insulted the Marines, instead of Clinton, the Hillfans of DU would be hyping it and saying it's a disqualifier.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)It's nice of you ask if it's okay after the fact.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Bucky
(54,041 posts)dsc
(52,166 posts)he is about the last person to be saying anything about this. He can go fuck himself.
n/t
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)is to keep them out of wars where we don't belong.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)nothing to do about it except complain a little
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Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Renew Deal
(81,869 posts)moobu2
(4,822 posts)oasis
(49,398 posts)to go third party/independent.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)The story sounds plausible to me. Traditional male career roles were starting to open up to women. Some of us were skeptical we'd actually be considered in those positions. I remember about that time the state troopers had decided to open up positions to women. I went to one of their recruitment events just to see if it was serious. I really didn't want to be a trooper but I wanted to see what I'd have to do to qualify. It was an exciting time when it seemed like some of those traditional doors were cracking open a little.
A friend of mine was completing medical school at that time and I remember her saying she wanted to be an ortho surgeon but they never had any females in the irtho residency program never ever because women were not considered strong enough. So there were all kinds of barriers were coming down and there were career paths most of us never considered starting to open up for us and maybe we didn't ever say we wanted to be a marine or a trooper or an ortho surgeon because it seemed not for us.
When feel something is not for us then there are trailblazers and you think, this might be for me, but how would I know because it was never a thought before, you wind up going to recruitment drives, open houses etc just to find out, could I do this.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)The sniper fire story reflects poorly on Hillary Clinton.
It reminds me when mean Jean Schmidt attacked Murtha by saying that Marines never run. To a man that was *IN* the Marines.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/22/167078/-Mean-Jean-lied-when-smearing-Murtha
Can't find the SNL clip.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)There's no way in hell her story has an ounce of truth in it.
None.
It's complete bullshit.
The type of bullshit the Clintons are famous for.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Not much I can say, really.