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Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:03 PM Nov 2015

Webb: "Mrs. Clinton has repeatedly disparaged the integrity of the Marine Corps"



Jim Webb may have abandoned his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination, but the former senator from Virginia is not finished criticizing Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Mr. Webb, a former combat Marine, accused Mrs. Clinton of “disparaging” the United States Marine Corps when she said that she was turned away when she wanted to serve in 1975.

Last week, Republicans mocked Mrs. Clinton after she told voters in New Hampshire about her flirtation with military service and recalled that the Marines rebuffed her as too old when she inquired about enlisting at age 26.

“She should tell us when and where this meeting took place, and with whom,” Mr. Webb wrote in a Facebook post on Monday.

Jim Webb Public Figure · 43,645 Likes · Yesterday at 4:30am ·
Mrs. Clinton has repeatedly disparaged the integrity of the Marine Corps by claiming she was turned away from serving as a JAG officer in 1975 because she was too old at age 26 and too vision-impaired. She should tell us when and where this meeting took place, and with whom. http://bit.ly/1QEAP0R
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http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/16/jim-webb-joins-in-on-criticizing-hillary-clintons-marines-story/?_r=0


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Webb: "Mrs. Clinton has repeatedly disparaged the integrity of the Marine Corps" (Original Post) Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 OP
That story smelled like rotten fish when I heard it. dinkytron Nov 2015 #1
Really? Trying to exploit the armed forces that way would be almost as bad as trying to exploit 911! merrily Nov 2015 #2
That's just what Webb is doing in his attempt to remain relevant. nt oasis Nov 2015 #3
Pointing out the lies of a candidate in an election is trying to remain relevant? Hepburn Nov 2015 #5
Funny he didn't bother to mention it until after his bid fizzled. oasis Nov 2015 #6
She made the comment last week, didn't she? arcane1 Nov 2015 #26
The story has been out there for at least 20 years. oasis Nov 2015 #34
I first heard of it last week, and then learned it wasn't the first time n/t arcane1 Nov 2015 #36
Oooookay? oasis Nov 2015 #41
I had never heard it before it was recently posted on the DU Hepburn Nov 2015 #57
I could not agree more with Webb. In the words of Bill Clinton, in another context entirely... merrily Nov 2015 #9
I'm sure you do agree with Webb. Do you question his motives? oasis Nov 2015 #13
Irrelevant. I reached my conclusion the first time I read the story, well before Webb spoke. merrily Nov 2015 #15
Then, by all means, run with it. oasis Nov 2015 #18
Where am I running with it? I commented on a thread. merrily Nov 2015 #20
To specify for clarity: The story is implausible on its face, but I am not agreeing that merrily Nov 2015 #27
She is a law school grad and they are stone cold turned her down? Hepburn Nov 2015 #58
Not just any law school, either. Yale, and Wellesley undergrad. merrily Nov 2015 #59
Yeah... Hepburn Nov 2015 #60
It's a steaming pile of horseshit Aerows Nov 2015 #66
Except for the fact that if anyone *should* call her out Aerows Nov 2015 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author Aerows Nov 2015 #67
Who gives a crap what he thinks? MaggieD Nov 2015 #4
I think it's interesting Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #7
True. Most people who read that marine story thought it was a whopper before Webb spoke up. merrily Nov 2015 #10
Only people invested in smearing her - not "most people" MaggieD Nov 2015 #17
Untrue. By her own account, it was a month after her wedding (a first marriage). Also by her merrily Nov 2015 #19
Give it up MaggieD Nov 2015 #21
My fellow liberals on this board support Sanders and I don't think I've alienated many of them. merrily Nov 2015 #24
Do you honestly think you're helping Bernie? MaggieD Nov 2015 #29
Awe shucks Kalidurga Nov 2015 #54
Do you know marines? Docreed2003 Nov 2015 #38
Yes, it is totally and completely without merit MaggieD Nov 2015 #43
No it's not... Docreed2003 Nov 2015 #44
Her point is about sexism - not "serving" MaggieD Nov 2015 #46
I would do it to anyone I encountered... Docreed2003 Nov 2015 #52
It's like no one is reading the posts to which they respond Rose Siding Nov 2015 #55
The 'Not Hillary' Party will associate themselves with anyone. onehandle Nov 2015 #8
Well he was standing up on the stage with Clinton and Sanders at the debate Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #11
Clearly MaggieD Nov 2015 #12
Clearly fake outrage on Webb's part. This is a sorry introduction oasis Nov 2015 #14
I see. So, if read the story and find it implausible and a week later, Webb says it's bull merrily Nov 2015 #16
Yes, it's bull MaggieD Nov 2015 #22
Oh, please. Stop the baby talk posting. I don't hate her and I made nothing up about her. merrily Nov 2015 #23
What is "baby talk posting"? MaggieD Nov 2015 #30
Proof that a story is implausible on its face? LOL! Guess you don't get what that means. merrily Nov 2015 #31
Why won't you answer my question MaggieD Nov 2015 #35
IMO, accusing people of hating a candidate when they say a story is implausible on its face or merrily Nov 2015 #39
I'm sure if the story was Webb said Sanders... Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #47
Consistency is not a factor at DU. Not any more, anyway. merrily Nov 2015 #49
"are you cool with Hillary supporters just making shit up about Bernie?" Capt. Obvious Nov 2015 #48
In fairness, she called her made up stuff by an accurate name, so there's that. merrily Nov 2015 #50
He sounds bitter. Bucky Nov 2015 #25
Given his behavior and attitudes about women in the armed services dsc Nov 2015 #28
+1 DinahMoeHum Nov 2015 #37
the best way she can show her respect for the marines restorefreedom Nov 2015 #32
+1 that's for sure Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #61
what annoys me the most are anti-Mrs. Clinton people who carry water for republicans. Sunlei Nov 2015 #33
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #40
Bernie doesn't want that kind of help. He doesn't carry water for Republicans. Sunlei Nov 2015 #42
There is a difference between anti-Hillary and pro-Sanders Renew Deal Nov 2015 #51
Sore loser. moobu2 Nov 2015 #45
Webb doesn't believe he's lost yet. Look for him oasis Nov 2015 #56
I'm a year younger than hillary gwheezie Nov 2015 #53
This does reflect poorly on Hillary Clinton. Aerows Nov 2015 #62
What's new, she lied! Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #63
I don't know what to say Aerows Nov 2015 #64
hey! she has plenty of decorations as a Devil Dog! MisterP Nov 2015 #68

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
5. Pointing out the lies of a candidate in an election is trying to remain relevant?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:27 PM
Nov 2015

IMO, Webb is a Marine and I find that his statements most likely have more to do with what she appears to have prevaricated about trying to join than they have to do with any attempts at making himself relevant to the up-coming presidential election.

JMHO

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
57. I had never heard it before it was recently posted on the DU
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:58 PM
Nov 2015

Guess others know better...but the info that Hillary claimed she tried to up to the Marines and was turned down -- new to me.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
9. I could not agree more with Webb. In the words of Bill Clinton, in another context entirely...
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:35 PM
Nov 2015
Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I’ve ever seen.


Well, maybe not the very biggest. But, it's up there.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
15. Irrelevant. I reached my conclusion the first time I read the story, well before Webb spoke.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:55 PM
Nov 2015

I did so on the basis of the implausibility of the story itself.

If I were relying on his opinion and only his opinion, I might well question his motives in say thing. As it is, I could care less.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
27. To specify for clarity: The story is implausible on its face, but I am not agreeing that
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:34 PM
Nov 2015

she has ruined the integrity of the Marines. I don't think that was her intent and I don't think that story is going hurt the reputation of the Marines in any way.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
58. She is a law school grad and they are stone cold turned her down?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:59 PM
Nov 2015

I find that hard to believe on age and on poor eye sight they told her to go away? Does not pass the smell test as far as I am concerned.

JMHO

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
60. Yeah...
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:14 PM
Nov 2015

....I have friends who were JAG during and right after VN. One went to a 3rd rate law school, one had had major back surgery, and another wore thick glasses. All of them made it into the service. Go figure.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
66. It's a steaming pile of horseshit
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:11 AM
Nov 2015

is what it is. At that time, they would have bent over backwards for an Ivy League married lady to enter JAG to prove that they were attempting to integrate women more fully in the service during that time period.

I'm not going to outright claim that anyone who believes that story sign up for a course on detecting bullshit stories, but I won't rule it out, either.

Gullible is the only word that is not in the dictionary.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
65. Except for the fact that if anyone *should* call her out
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:06 AM
Nov 2015

it should be a Marine.

This is the *second* time she has done this type of thing.

It dishonors those who were enlisted to pretend "I could have been one of you, but didn't get the time of day."

Which is utter horseshit. An Ivy League educated J.D. at a time when establishing women's liberation would have been ran, not walked to the appropriate recruiting Officer.

I'm all out of fucks to give if somebody wants to alert on this post, because it reflects poorly on the candidate herself to keep pushing absolutely insulting nonsense, harms the Democratic party, and stolen valor reflects poorly on our country.

Response to oasis (Reply #3)

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
4. Who gives a crap what he thinks?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:26 PM
Nov 2015

He acts like a republican, and talks like one too. No wonder he got no support and had to drop out.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
10. True. Most people who read that marine story thought it was a whopper before Webb spoke up.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:37 PM
Nov 2015

I'm not paying any attention to his opinion, only to the implausibility of her story itself.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
17. Only people invested in smearing her - not "most people"
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:57 PM
Nov 2015

Try not to exaggerate like that. Okay?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
19. Untrue. By her own account, it was a month after her wedding (a first marriage). Also by her
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:05 PM
Nov 2015

own account, she told the Marine recruiter she was 26 about to be 27, when it was two or three weeks after her 28th birthday--at a time when aging out of the draft was something very much discussed. And an intelligent woman with an Ivy League education never thought to call and check the requirements before making the trip to the recruiting office?

Story, which she has supposedly told exactly the same way for 20 years, is highly implausible on its face. And, on top of that, turns out she was not too old or too impaired for JAG anyway.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
21. Give it up
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:11 PM
Nov 2015

You're all looking desperate at this point.

Sounds perfectly plausible to any professional woman who spent time in the south in the 1970's. You're simply invested in smearing her even when you have not a leg to stand on. And you have not yet come to grips with the fact that it serves no purpose other than to alienate your fellow liberals.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
24. My fellow liberals on this board support Sanders and I don't think I've alienated many of them.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:17 PM
Nov 2015

Certainly not by saying that her story is implausible on its face, because it is and the reasons I gave had nothing to do with Arkansas in 1975, only with her own words. Only one sentence out of a two paragraph post had anything to do with the recruiter.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
29. Do you honestly think you're helping Bernie?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:39 PM
Nov 2015

Do you think the Bernie supporters who troll the pages of John Lewis' or DWS or HRC's or Union FB pages, or tweet out hateful shit to POC or any of that helps Bernie?

THAT is what is implausible. His supporters are killing him, yet you do not realize it. Even some of my son's friends who support Bernie have said this to me. They are becoming embarrassed to be associated with this stuff.

Believe it or not real Democrats notice. And if you don't think this crap is alienating them then you have your head in the sand, IMO. Keep going and his supporters will soon be held in the same esteem as we hold the tea party.

https://www.facebook.com/schultz.connie/posts/10153584167380272 (That's Sherrod Brown's wife).

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
54. Awe shucks
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:16 PM
Nov 2015

This is such a cute post I could smoosh it's face and kiss it on both cheeks. Do you really think you are making a case for Hillary and that you have been civil. I have seen more anti stuff coming from you than anything remotely pro Hillary. It seems you like to tear people down and talk to them as if you are scolding. Keep it up Ambassador.

Docreed2003

(16,869 posts)
38. Do you know marines?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 07:04 PM
Nov 2015

Webb may very well be a disgruntled POS but his point is not without merit. Marines take being a Marine very seriously, to the point that there is no such thing as an "ex-marine". One of my proudest achievements as a Navy physician was earning, and I stress earning, my Fleet Marine Force qualification which allowed me to wear the marine emblem on my uniform as a part of the qualification. They do not award it lightly. For Sec Clinton to suggest, near Veterans Day no less, that she would have joined the Marines if she hadn't been turned away, is a slap in the face to the Marine Corps. At 26, there would be no age restriction and eyesight wouldn't be a disqualification of service in JAG. For Sec Clinton to suggest that she would have served if only she hadn't been turned away, reeks of political opportunism and absolute bullshit. Webb is correct when he says it is a slap in the face to the Corps

Docreed2003

(16,869 posts)
44. No it's not...
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 07:49 PM
Nov 2015

Webb may be an asshole, see my post, but it is not without merit to call out Sec Clinton for what she said. Her excuse is absolute bullshit and the statement itself reeks of, "I would have served too..if only" and it's fucking insulting. You either serve/served or you don't/didn't. To play some bs, "I was nearly just like you card" near Veterans Day is just grade A political BS.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
46. Her point is about sexism - not "serving"
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 07:51 PM
Nov 2015

And you are free to not believe her. What you shouldn't be doing is calling her a liar with not a shred of proof to support that. Would you do that to someone in your family, or who you worked with, or a neighbor? I would hope not. It's beyond the bounds of common decency.

Docreed2003

(16,869 posts)
52. I would do it to anyone I encountered...
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:05 PM
Nov 2015

It's not sexist to call out a lie. There has never been an age limit on service as low as 26 for becoming an officer and there are no eyesight limitations to becoming a JAG officer. Neither one of those statements is true either now or then. And yes, I sure as hell would call someone out who said something so absurd, even a family member. I would do it because I take too much pride in my service to this country and I care too much for the young men I cared for and watched bleed their last drops of blood for the same cause. That may well make me an asshole in your eyes, and so be it, but I find her statements just as outrageous as Ben Carson's West Point statement. I find her statement just as offensive now as I did when she was called out for it in 08. I don't have to know her personally to know that the facts of what she is saying don't add up.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
55. It's like no one is reading the posts to which they respond
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:45 PM
Nov 2015

I see no reason to doubt what she said. Since when does anyone think that the service was woman-friendly in the 70s?

My dad's a Marine -served long ago- and even though he's a Repub, he doesn't even doubt her story. The only reason to, is to try to damage her.

I couldn't provide any definitive proof of half of what I did in my 20s.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
11. Well he was standing up on the stage with Clinton and Sanders at the debate
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:38 PM
Nov 2015

In the Democratic primary. He's a Democrat I guess, not that I care.

But it's not like he's a random nobody.

oasis

(49,398 posts)
14. Clearly fake outrage on Webb's part. This is a sorry introduction
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:53 PM
Nov 2015

in his pursuit of an independent/ third party ticket.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
16. I see. So, if read the story and find it implausible and a week later, Webb says it's bull
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:57 PM
Nov 2015

I've somehow associated myself with Webb?

The nonsense that gets posted on this board to smear Bernie's supporters knows no bounds.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
22. Yes, it's bull
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:13 PM
Nov 2015

You are making an assumption based on the fact that you hate her. You have not a single shred of proof to back up your accusation.

So let me ask you, are you cool with Hillary supporters just making shit up about Bernie? I could come up with a few interesting assumptions pulled out of my ear if you would like.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
30. What is "baby talk posting"?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:41 PM
Nov 2015

And yes, you ARE making shit up about her. If you aren't, then post proof of your accusations. I'll wait.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
35. Why won't you answer my question
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:56 PM
Nov 2015

Please explain your "baby talk posting" insult.

Now let's try a made up story about Bernie that comes straight out of my imagination just like yours about Hillary.

Bernie once wrote about women fantasizing about rape, and how that is typical of women. So clearly he hates women and it is just not plausible given his history that he would protect women's pay, or protect their right to choose or their birth control rights.

Can we go with that since making shit up is apparently fair game? Let me know. I have a log in over at DI too. I am sure the right wingers over their would eat it up.

I can come up with lots more too. Wanna have some fun?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
39. IMO, accusing people of hating a candidate when they say a story is implausible on its face or
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 07:06 PM
Nov 2015

criticize her policies is very childish. You should have been able to figure that out on your own.

I made nothing up about Hillary and am not going to deflect into bs about Bernie with you. So sorry!

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
47. I'm sure if the story was Webb said Sanders...
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 07:54 PM
Nov 2015

...insulted the Marines, instead of Clinton, the Hillfans of DU would be hyping it and saying it's a disqualifier.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
48. "are you cool with Hillary supporters just making shit up about Bernie?"
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 07:57 PM
Nov 2015

It's nice of you ask if it's okay after the fact.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
28. Given his behavior and attitudes about women in the armed services
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:39 PM
Nov 2015

he is about the last person to be saying anything about this. He can go fuck himself.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
33. what annoys me the most are anti-Mrs. Clinton people who carry water for republicans.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:46 PM
Nov 2015

nothing to do about it except complain a little

Response to Sunlei (Reply #33)

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
53. I'm a year younger than hillary
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:15 PM
Nov 2015

The story sounds plausible to me. Traditional male career roles were starting to open up to women. Some of us were skeptical we'd actually be considered in those positions. I remember about that time the state troopers had decided to open up positions to women. I went to one of their recruitment events just to see if it was serious. I really didn't want to be a trooper but I wanted to see what I'd have to do to qualify. It was an exciting time when it seemed like some of those traditional doors were cracking open a little.
A friend of mine was completing medical school at that time and I remember her saying she wanted to be an ortho surgeon but they never had any females in the irtho residency program never ever because women were not considered strong enough. So there were all kinds of barriers were coming down and there were career paths most of us never considered starting to open up for us and maybe we didn't ever say we wanted to be a marine or a trooper or an ortho surgeon because it seemed not for us.
When feel something is not for us then there are trailblazers and you think, this might be for me, but how would I know because it was never a thought before, you wind up going to recruitment drives, open houses etc just to find out, could I do this.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
62. This does reflect poorly on Hillary Clinton.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:59 PM
Nov 2015

The sniper fire story reflects poorly on Hillary Clinton.

It reminds me when mean Jean Schmidt attacked Murtha by saying that Marines never run. To a man that was *IN* the Marines.



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/22/167078/-Mean-Jean-lied-when-smearing-Murtha

Can't find the SNL clip.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
63. What's new, she lied!
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:44 AM
Nov 2015

There's no way in hell her story has an ounce of truth in it.
None.
It's complete bullshit.
The type of bullshit the Clintons are famous for.

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