Corruption is defined by actions. Let's not pretend that corruption is relegated to only one side. Corruption can strike anywhere anytime. It's why I feel a strong moral barometer is very important in a leader.

I don't think that Hillary is corrupt, but she's walking a mighty fine line as perhaps the guiding force behind some questionable calls from the DNC (Hello Ms. Wasserman Schultz).

Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely. I'm a bit concerned with the lengths that Hillary seems to be willing to go to sew up the nomination. Politics is the dirtiest of 'sports' though. Just ask the GOP.

She worked in the public sector and made piles of money from corporate conglomerates that would like to have some influence with her. Why else would she push fracking so hard despite known problems and yet be so tepid on Cannabis? Follow the money.

When we talk about electability I am reminded of John Kerry. I remember John Kerry for two slanderous things sadly. Swiftboating and flop-flopping. Hillary has been 'swiftboated' with Benghazi. It doesn't even need to be true (swiftboat veterans for truth wasn't) but if it can plant seeds of doubt... That's all Republicans really want. Truth is irrelevant.

However, on flop-flopping Hillary is shooting herself in the foot by by adjusting her positions so frequently. Republicans will have a field day. They'll have so much video they'll be able to paint Hillary however they want to rally their base.

If the Republicans had half a decent candidate instead of the current shit-show they've been putting on I'd be a bit more concerned. Hillary doesn't get a majority of people excited though. The reason you're seeing her do well in polling is because people don't know these other candidates as well and Ms. Clinton is outspending them by huge amounts (again, mostly with corporate money).

I want to see campaign finance reform and if you think meaningful finance reform is coming from Hillary... Well... That's nice, but I don't.

Sorry for rambling. Have a nice day.

Hillary has made money many ways throughout her career. Lawyer, Politician, Author, etc.

She was given $14 million as an advance for writing a book. It didn't sell too well though and the pubisher lost money on the deal (Source).

When I talk about following the money I mostly speak of political donations from questionable sources like oil and pharmacuetical companies, banks, etc. Especially situations where she's taken on speaking engagement fees of $200,000+ to skirt campaign finance laws. If you're giving something in return that $200,000+ isn't considered a donation in the eyes of the FEC.

Also, when you're giving all of these speeches with insane speaking fees it makes it difficult to reach folks. The money is a barrier.

Case in point, the University of Missouri in Kansas City wanted to bring in Hillary Clinton for a speaking engagement, but declined when they found out that the cost was going to be $275,000. $275,000 for a speech at a public university! They settled for Chelsea Clinton at $65,000. (Source)

According to WaPo, the Clinton family has racked up more than $25,000,000 since January of 2014 with speaking engagements alone. That's a hell of a sum! That's a testament to their ability to leverage their name recognition and influential position in politics (Yes, Hillary is still influential in Politics. Endorsements speak volumes about the Clinton name.) (Source)

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Sure,...when in doubt, blame it on sleep deprivation, medication, stress, adultery, gun fire attacks, la la la la la la la la la la,....


Okie-Doke!.............

You guys really took that SEIU endorsement hard, didn't you?

LOL!

Surprise me.

What does concern me is that our "enevitable" Democratic nominee got caught in an obvious and pathetic lie. It wasn't even a good lie since it was soooo easy to debunk. If you don't think the GOP/Koch smear train isn't going to use this and dozens of other Clinton gaffes, lies, half-truths, etc against her, then I have some great beachfront...whatever.

Really have the smarts needed to be President?

So how would she know she would be caught?

...oh wait...

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Hrmm...I guess that means you're now in the uncomfortable position of saying she lied about that, or that there was such a thing and she stupidly lied about sniper fire when there was such a conspiracy.

Enjoy your choice!

Whaaaaaaaaa...????

She tells so many lies, so many times, that she now believes them herself.

She is not qualified, not even a little bit.

...FOOLED HER,
really have the smarts needed to be President?

and every time I'm reminded of it, I'm in danger of coming down with CTE.

but to lie when you know the event is being recorded and your 'fabrication' will be found out is mind boggling. What the hell was she thinking? What did she hope to accomplish?

The expression "She'd lie when the truth would fit better" applies here.

Shameful and indefensible.

maybe you should try free republic you'd be a star there

Or is all you have lame insults?

The TRUTH should be hidden and not spoken?

The TRUTH belongs on FR and not on DU ????!!!!

What ARE you really trying to say?

for him with positive news about Bernie so it's tough shit dems time to slash and tear at Hillary. go all .... well i'll leave it there people are a little sensitive and I already have enough hidden posts

Or gun nuts. or sexists. Or claiming their campaign is a plot by Israel.

Spare me your sniveling. Clinton's not sacrosanct, and we're sticking on her record. if you don't want to know what that record is and why we don't like it, then yeah, tough shit. We're not going to silence ourselves just because your candidate is fragile.

Up to date IPSOS-REUTERS Likely Democratic Primary Voter Poll-Clinton-64%-Sanders 28%


spare me we all know what her record is and we all know what you b.s.-ers are doing

btw MY candidate is whomever wins the primary

It's very often used to excuse abuse and denial of rights. Like when clinton refused to support same-Sex marriage, until it broke the margin of error for popular support.

another one with the latin

But you kinda suck at it.

Reading comprehension fail

Why don't you take YOUR comments to FR?

Thats the place where you'll feel more at home while having TRUTH suppressed.

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walking around DU hallways with your slippers making demands on other DU members.

Why not comment on the merits of the post instead of your lame attacks on a DU member?

The evidenc.....errrrr the content is just so easy to access.

Incredibly easy.

Hillary needs to take that shit to FR.

If you're supporting Hillary over Bernie, then your ideology is likely much closer to FR posters.

to blanket the airwaves with her 'misspokes'?

will do to Bernie and his we should be like Norway and raise our tax rate to 60% so that the poor can be given whatever they want to have. this isn't something I believe about Bernie but it's something with which the media can use to pummel him.

Or are you still beating your wife?

and my question is will you join them in exposing her lies if she is nominated? You can't have a little truth now and then back away from it later. So I will wait and see.

CHANCE IN THE GENERAL.

barrage of RW LIES that the general is sure to bring?

those running for are, do they imagine thing, lie, are they subject to becoming confused about things etc.

If the story is false, that is another matter. But if not, people have every right to know these things.

Claiming she had to run under sniper fire.

There is also very disturbing video of her laughing as she tosses of "we came, we saw, he died"

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Why? Try to understand that it's not just routine political games - people are truly desperate for economic justice, and see Hillary as a part of the problem, not the solution.

Keep thinking and while you're at it, analyze everyone. That's the fair way to do it. But, when you see deception, don't bank on it as a attribute, because IT ISN'T.

so I re-read my post and saw I had confused my message. I hope the rewrite fixes that, and makes it clear that we are on the same side here.

THIS is what happens when you occasionally don't go upthread and catch the entire conversation, as I clearly did.

Sorry, demwing, but yeah, it had an entirely different meaning, didn't it?

Hmmmmmmm....I think we have heard something similar to that before.

This isn't . Unfortunately she damages her credibility on EVERYTHING with pointless lies like this and her "attempt" to join the Marines.

Being the defender in the same thread. I get it, anything to try to change or distract from an argument you know you can't win.

you wouldn't need to do this

to point that out because it might affect people's perceptions and their ability to get votes.

I got that impression from this thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251701553

perhaps the poster has *ahem* evolved?

on him - it was put there out of frustration of all the attack ads from f.o.b.s - what about all my posts that say we shouldn't be tearing down our candidates- they far outweigh any posts like this yet this is what you chose to focus on. why don't you get an impression from those and leave the negative campaign ads to the gop.

Got it.

While getting angry that someone posted video clips of Hillary speaking..... Which happen to show Hillary lying.

Frankly, I'm a fan of the truth. These are questions Clinton is going to have to answer now or later. Personally I'm not a fan of any politician dodging a question now and then later claiming it's "old news" without ever giving a sufficient answer. Clinton should have nipped this in the bud YEARS ago, but never wanted to take the temporary PR hit for it. She should deal with the issue now rather than in the GE. The negative campaign ads will come one way or another. The GOP can make some hay from this. She shouldn't try to half-ass her way out of it only to deal with it again later.

Fuck, Brian Williams apologized and he was just a network news anchor. Shouldn't we hold a candidate to at least that standard?

be done here. but i give up

post negative things about Bernie?

Hardly...IMO.

If she gets the nomination the Republicans will have a field day with all of her gaffes. It'll be one long Koch paid assault. The worst part is they won't have to make shit up - they probably will, but the won't need to, she's given a helluva lot of ammo already.

Just more of her years and years of baggage.

Every one of you will be punished.

or too dangerous, the president couldn’t go, so send the First Lady."

And she took her daughter there, nice. But, seriously this is why she told the story she wanted to get a dig in that women are more expendable than men and she goes to dangerous places as a matter of routine.

This is the best thing I have seen all week.

And you can just feel O'Reilly cringe every time he has to refer to him as such.

then Executive Two Foxtrot would have been ordered not to land until the area was cleared. Executive Two Foxtrot is the call sign designated to the plane when the first lady flies, excluding the president.

So, Hillary claims they landed during sniper fire, two lies for the price of one.

at the age of 27.

Nobody 'misspeaks'. She embellished.

favored candidate, no matter how often you do it. Truly.

If Hillary gets the nod for her Coronation,
her entire life will be fair game for examination.
8 years old is actually YOUNG for the life of a poor LIE.
It won't be forgotten by the Republicans during the GE.

That is only one reason why nominating Hillary will be a disaster for the Democratic party...top to bottom.

Never mind. Please proceed.

This still pisses me off royally.