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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 06:44 PM Nov 2015

Sanders' support is coming from everywhere


The choice is clear to me. Sanders is our only hope for a Better Future, if we even have a chance at it. Clinton will take us down the same road we have been on, with business and politics as usual.

If you want a change, Sanders is the right choice. If you are satisfied with the way things are, go with Clinton. But don’t expect your children and their children to have a Better Future. It’s not possible with her. We at least have a chance with Sanders.

In answer to Susan Estrich on where the support for Sanders is coming from, it’s coming from all of us who have awakened to the reality that we face. We will not stand down. Our numbers are increasing daily.

We are standing up for what is right, and we will be heard at the ballot box.

http://www.noozhawk.com/article/irv_beiman_susan_estrich_bernie_sanders_hillary_clinton_20151122
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Sanders' support is coming from everywhere (Original Post) Skwmom Nov 2015 OP
There's a lot of support for Bernie. Just not enough. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #1
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #4
It's not 2008. Sanders is not Obama. Webb & Chafee (and O'Malley) are not John Edwards. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #9
Apparently the majority of Democrats disagree. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #10
And nurses too.... Historic NY Nov 2015 #11
I know. It's awesome! Android3.14 Nov 2015 #16
If you keep repeating the same old stuff... Rockyj Nov 2015 #36
This race has barely begun! CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #21
I expect it will be over by March. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #22
Remember what happened to Hillary in 08? CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #24
it's not 08. Bernie isn't Obama. No Edwards. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #25
The trajectory of 2008 and 2015 are nearly identical! CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #29
Well, hold on to that. We believe different things. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #31
Yes I understand... CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #32
That's an interesting observation. Once a voter goes Bernie, I doubt Hillary can win them back. reformist2 Nov 2015 #2
There is a lot of truth in that. artislife Nov 2015 #19
Not true! RichVRichV Nov 2015 #26
Manny's done it at least a dozen times himself..... daleanime Nov 2015 #28
Split personalities don't count. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #40
Has anyone actually gone Bernie-to-Hillary on policy and values... Beartracks Nov 2015 #35
When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Nov 2015 #3
You can't be serious redstateblues Nov 2015 #30
Ad Hominem Attacks Are Against DU Rules cantbeserious Nov 2015 #34
Of course, Susan doesn't get it Kalidurga Nov 2015 #5
Yes with the support of two congressional members is he thinking he will be able to get his agenda Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #6
Hillary will get a lot passed, I agree. The Republicans in the House and Senate get Dustlawyer Nov 2015 #15
Really, do you think there is corruption in congress, some admit it others lies about it. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #33
Accepting money from billionaires is corruption. Sanders is fighting this rhett o rick Nov 2015 #42
Everywhere but where it counts... FarPoint Nov 2015 #8
Funny how important that is before a single vote has been cast. artislife Nov 2015 #20
And here I thought voters were essential blackspade Nov 2015 #23
We have already made ourselves heard. You can tell from what Hillary has been campaigning on. merrily Nov 2015 #12
That's what I'm seeing, LWolf Nov 2015 #13
The Oligarchs want the 1%er Thespian2 Nov 2015 #14
The Kids! Of course Corporacrats will push to keep those anti-youth votes out of the booths. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2015 #17
Because the youth are known for doing exactly what authority figures want. RichVRichV Nov 2015 #27
It comes done to putting people before profits. vkkv Nov 2015 #18
I think Bernie is completely inept MaggieD Nov 2015 #37
K&R nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #38
Who votes for more war? JEB Nov 2015 #39
Oh please, can you make this game more challenging? rhett o rick Nov 2015 #41

Response to NurseJackie (Reply #1)

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
7. It's not 2008. Sanders is not Obama. Webb & Chafee (and O'Malley) are not John Edwards.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:09 PM
Nov 2015

Even if combined and given directly to Sanders, the Webb, Chafee & O'Malley votes aren't enough to help Bernie. I just don't see that Bernie has a path to be the nominee.

Response to NurseJackie (Reply #7)

Rockyj

(538 posts)
36. If you keep repeating the same old stuff...
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 10:35 AM
Nov 2015

...some may take the bait but in this day & age people are finally getting it. The polls don't reflect the millions of youth that support Sanders.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
21. This race has barely begun!
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:52 PM
Nov 2015

Iowa votes first--and that caucus isn't for 9 weeks! The ads are just starting to ramp up. The full throttle of the campaigns hasn't been seen yet--in the first state!

As a Sanders supporter in Iowa, I'm very hopeful and encouraged!

His large crowds are going to be incredible!

Sanders supporters--there are a lot encouraging signs for Sanders!




CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
24. Remember what happened to Hillary in 08?
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 10:12 PM
Nov 2015

Hillary came in third in the Iowa caucuses. She lost the Democratic nomination.

All Hillary supporters were telling everyone to just give it up in 08. Good gracious, she was ahead in every national poll! And every state poll as well!

We were told to just accept her inevitability.

I would think that Hillary supporters, more than anyone else, would be a bit more humble and hesitant to make such grandiose predictions.

Anything can happen! You guys know that, more than anyone. Especially if you supported her candidacy in 08.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
29. The trajectory of 2008 and 2015 are nearly identical!
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 10:54 PM
Nov 2015

No one said that Sanders was Obama. But if you look at 2008, and what happened--we're seeing the exact same dynamics play out.

--Sanders and Obama were both polling at 4 percent in the spring that preceded the Iowa caucuses.

--Both Sanders and Obama polled 8-14 points behind Hillary during the October before the Iowa caucuses (depending which poll you look at).

--Hillary Clinton was leading in ALL national polls, and ALL state polls against Obama--during this time in the 08 Dem primary process.

The dynamics of Iowa are 2008 vs 2016 are nearly identical. Support for Hillary is soft in Iowa. Voters are looking for any reason to vote for someone else, because she just simply doesn't play well here. The results of the 08 caucuses (Clinton 3rd place) validate this. Sander's 35 percent support in Iowa--when his campaign is barely off the ground around here, is also proof of strong and growing support here that could blossom into a win.

That is why she came in third in Iowa. When there are viable alternatives--especially attractive candidates on the left--there's trouble for her in Iowa.

Anything could happen in Iowa. It did it 08, why not 2015?

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
32. Yes I understand...
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 11:20 PM
Nov 2015

Who you support, definitely dictates how you see things.

I think there's plenty of reasons, data and information to make the case that Hillary could win Iowa and go on to take the nomination. Conversely, there's a whole lot of reasons, data and information to make the case that Bernie could win Iowa and go on to take the nomination.

We each hope that our candidate makes it.

I look forward to time marching on, frankly. I think there are too many unknowns at this point.

We will know so much more in a month or six weeks.

I think we both can agree that it's going to be a roller coaster, and it's going to be exciting.

Best to you!

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
19. There is a lot of truth in that.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:46 PM
Nov 2015

If by some chance, she wins the nom, I will have 5months to try to convince myself of blackening the circle next to her name on my ballot.


I will need all the time to do so. I am not positive I will be able to.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
26. Not true!
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 10:39 PM
Nov 2015

There are people on this forum that have switched from Bernie to Hillary at least a couple dozen times now.

Beartracks

(12,816 posts)
35. Has anyone actually gone Bernie-to-Hillary on policy and values...
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:31 AM
Nov 2015

... or just because they were "turned off by Bernie's followers"?



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cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
3. When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 06:57 PM
Nov 2015

eom

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
30. You can't be serious
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 11:05 PM
Nov 2015

You must have gotten a couple hundred posts with that one. Nice cutting and pasting!!

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
5. Of course, Susan doesn't get it
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:06 PM
Nov 2015

She is a 70's style feminist that only cared about career women breaking the glass ceiling. The rest of ya'll women to bad you aren't worth the time.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
6. Yes with the support of two congressional members is he thinking he will be able to get his agenda
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:06 PM
Nov 2015

Passed? This alone would point to nothing changing. The GOP is pulling for Sanders to win, won't happen.

I want the best chance to have a Democrat making SC nominations, I want Hillary to be the next president. Some here on DU has changed from being a Sanders supported to being a Hillary supporter, yes even some have left Sanders for Hillary.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
15. Hillary will get a lot passed, I agree. The Republicans in the House and Senate get
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:16 PM
Nov 2015

the same marching orders from the same Donors as Hillary! The Republicans that support Bernie are not the corporate ones, they are the blue collar workers that are fed up with the corruption.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
33. Really, do you think there is corruption in congress, some admit it others lies about it.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 11:44 PM
Nov 2015

Lying by omission is still lying.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
42. Accepting money from billionaires is corruption. Sanders is fighting this
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:42 PM
Nov 2015

corruption that has given us 50 million Americans living in poverty. You want the poverty rate to continue to climb? Vote for the candidate of the 1%.

FarPoint

(12,409 posts)
8. Everywhere but where it counts...
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:17 PM
Nov 2015

Sanders lacking Democratic Delegates.... Nationally.. Superdelegates are essential.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
20. Funny how important that is before a single vote has been cast.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:47 PM
Nov 2015

Be careful, the chickens may come home to roost.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
12. We have already made ourselves heard. You can tell from what Hillary has been campaigning on.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:22 PM
Nov 2015

Supporters of Warren and Sanders, you did this.

Unfortunately, "break up the banks, if necessary" is not, despite the advertising to the contrary, the same as "break up the banks."

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
13. That's what I'm seeing,
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 08:18 PM
Nov 2015

and that's one of the reasons I think he's got a better chance than she does in the GE.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
14. The Oligarchs want the 1%er
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 08:27 PM
Nov 2015

to win the Democrat"s nomination...that way, they win no matter who wins the GE...

Supporters of the 1%er can't seem to see that...


Raise your hand if you think the 1%er will stop the TPP...



 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
18. It comes done to putting people before profits.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:44 PM
Nov 2015

I've been saying for years, 'what's good for people is good for business, but what's good for business doesn't always work out so well for people.'
 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
37. I think Bernie is completely inept
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 11:06 AM
Nov 2015

.... on a host of issues. In contrast I think Clinton is the most qualified person to run for president in my considerable lifetime.

So I reject your argument completely.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
39. Who votes for more war?
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:01 PM
Nov 2015

Who votes for more power to Banks and Wall Street? Who supports the Patriot Act? Who supports fracking?

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