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New Poll: Iowa-HRC +20.5% | NH-TIE | SC-HRC +46 (Original Post) JaneyVee Nov 2015 OP
K & R Iliyah Nov 2015 #1
We are certainly working our butts off to make it happen! Agschmid Nov 2015 #4
You live in NH? JaneyVee Nov 2015 #5
Boston... Agschmid Nov 2015 #6
You keep hoping,but the mometum is with Bernie Sanders now and INdemo Nov 2015 #13
Odd, only "attack dog" in this thread for anyone would be.. oh you. Amimnoch Nov 2015 #15
Kick. Agschmid Nov 2015 #2
K&R mcar Nov 2015 #3
+46 in SC... SidDithers Nov 2015 #7
K&R RandySF Nov 2015 #8
Are they a polling organization? Never heard of them. DCBob Nov 2015 #9
They aren't. It's a guy's blog. He is presenting the analysis of his model. jeff47 Nov 2015 #12
Uh...not a poll. jeff47 Nov 2015 #10
Yup. Wilms Nov 2015 #11
Fair enough: let's look at some polls brooklynite Nov 2015 #19
Did it edit the lying OP? Nope. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #21
each time these pro-Clinton poll threads show her ahead the number is smaller: every week MisterP Nov 2015 #14
But...but...but...NINE ELEVEN! Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #22
It's nice to see the only actual Democrat who is the only one with actual executive experience, Amimnoch Nov 2015 #16
Thank you for your sig line artislife Nov 2015 #17
She can get crowds like Bernie but would use up all her money paying them to show up litlbilly Nov 2015 #18
Maybe she doesn't need them brooklynite Nov 2015 #20
You know Dean got railroaded by the establishment in 2004 Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #23
Like their candidate, HRC supporters are incapable of shame. 1,000,000+ Iraqi KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #24
They can be all for HRC all they want, but using Dean's picture... Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #26
I already corrected you on that number, yet you continue to post a million Iraqi BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #33
I DON'T know that... brooklynite Nov 2015 #25
Completely missing my point. Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #27
I'm delighted to know Dean inspired you to become politically involved... brooklynite Nov 2015 #29
I get what you're doing. His campaign didn't live up to the hype. What I'm saying is... Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #30
How would you suggest I had made my point? brooklynite Nov 2015 #31
Just using the Ron Paul shots would have been sufficient Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #32
If I had done that (and I have in the past) brooklynite Nov 2015 #34
That's cool Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #35
Wonderful news! BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #28
IA and NH are both still up for grabs MaggieD Nov 2015 #36
That's great! Go, Hillary! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #37

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
13. You keep hoping,but the mometum is with Bernie Sanders now and
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 10:10 PM
Nov 2015

Clinton campaign knows this. Look for the attack dogs to turn up the heat.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
15. Odd, only "attack dog" in this thread for anyone would be.. oh you.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 11:20 PM
Nov 2015

Do be careful, your insecurities and lack of faith in St. Bernard is showing.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
9. Are they a polling organization? Never heard of them.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:27 PM
Nov 2015

Also, where are details of the poll. This just looks like a summary.

Thanks!

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
12. They aren't. It's a guy's blog. He is presenting the analysis of his model.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:59 PM
Nov 2015

And since he's trying to make money via data analysis, the details of his model are not available, as far as I can tell.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
10. Uh...not a poll.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:34 PM
Nov 2015

You can tell because of all the references to "the model" and the lack of references to polls, or questions.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
16. It's nice to see the only actual Democrat who is the only one with actual executive experience,
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 11:21 PM
Nov 2015

and the only one with an actual history of accomplishments has such a nice lead.

May HRC keep that lead and keep on the legacy of progress that our current magnificent president has started rolling with.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
23. You know Dean got railroaded by the establishment in 2004
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:04 AM
Nov 2015

It's sad when people use Howard Dean as a model of an overhyped campaign. He's the reason that I, and I'm sure many others here, even got interested in politics. The war hawks in the party establishment made sure to sink him and helped to expose the lack of organization in his campaign and that's why we got stuck with Kerry. In an election in which a sock puppet should have beaten the incumbent, Kerry lost because the establishment knew better than the grass roots. Say what you want about Ron Paul, but as a good liberal, show some dignity and respect and please don't use Howard Dean as an example of a failed campaign. This party owes him a huge debt of gratitude for invigorating a new generation of voters that may have otherwise sat on the sidelines. To use his picture in a mocking way is just shameful.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
24. Like their candidate, HRC supporters are incapable of shame. 1,000,000+ Iraqi
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:08 AM
Nov 2015

Ghosts are proof of that proposition.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
26. They can be all for HRC all they want, but using Dean's picture...
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:16 AM
Nov 2015

...in front of large crowds as some sort of cautionary tale is just flat out disrespectful to all of us here. If it weren't for Howard Dean, I may never have found the "Democratic Underground" website in December of 2003. I was here when they used to do a weekly list of "Top 10 Conservative Idiots". Howard Dean is a great democrat. Am I disappointed that he got behind Hillary Clinton? Of course, but I am still thankful that he ran in 2003-04 and especially thankful for what he did for the party from 2005-09 as chair.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
33. I already corrected you on that number, yet you continue to post a million Iraqi
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:50 AM
Nov 2015

deaths?

My god, and here I thought DUers come here to actually LEARN facts, not make them up and stick with them.

brooklynite

(94,594 posts)
25. I DON'T know that...
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:12 AM
Nov 2015

...I was on the ground in NH the weekend before the Primary, and I saw a poorly managed campaign that didn't know what it was doing. Not that it mattered, because Deans had already screwed up Iowa, coming a mediocre third.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
27. Completely missing my point.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:19 AM
Nov 2015

I don't know if you're doing it on purpose because you can't take back the fact that you posted his picture like it's something to be embarrassed of, or if you really don't get my point. Howard Dean is the reason that so many of here got interested in politics to begin with. Feel free to use anyone else's picture as an example, but out of respect, you ought not use his.

brooklynite

(94,594 posts)
29. I'm delighted to know Dean inspired you to become politically involved...
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:31 AM
Nov 2015

Unfortunately, he didn't inspire people to actually vote for him. I'm just pointing out to the person upthread that rally turnout doesn't translate to electoral success.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
30. I get what you're doing. His campaign didn't live up to the hype. What I'm saying is...
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:33 AM
Nov 2015

...did you have to use his picture? See what I mean?

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
32. Just using the Ron Paul shots would have been sufficient
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:49 AM
Nov 2015

It's all cynical snark any way, so I don't know why I bother engaging in this debate. I mean, by posting those pictures, you're insinuating that the people that showed up in droves for those rallies, including Ron Paul's, were foolish and destined for failure. We could easily just come back and compare it to the huge crowds that showed up at Barack Obama's rallies, or huge crowds that came to see Jimmy Carter when he took the political landscape by storm in 1976, but we don't.

brooklynite

(94,594 posts)
34. If I had done that (and I have in the past)
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:07 AM
Nov 2015

...I guarantee that someone would have complained that I was equating Sanders with Paul.

I've worked in politics since I turned 18 in 1977. I've supported a lot of candidates, many of whom lost. I've learned not to be afraid to acknowledge a candidate's weakness.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
35. That's cool
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:16 AM
Nov 2015

I'm a big fan of Bernie obviously and still a big Howard Dean fan. it must be a NY/VT thing or something

So, of course I believe those crowds are more than just a flash in the pan and represent a strong campaign that has a lot of people enthusiastic to vote. I think that if their organization is as strong as I think it is, pictures from the time that Bernie ran for president in 2015-16 won't be used as a cautionary tale, but as an example of what a great grass roots effort looks like.

I also think that all of those people that came to the rallies for Dean and Ron Paul should be proud of what they did to get involved in the process.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
36. IA and NH are both still up for grabs
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 10:37 AM
Nov 2015

But Bernie is doomed after that since he has gotten and will get zero traction with minorities. For good reason, IMO.

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