2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOver 50% of the US population is female – more than half --
and yet the 43 people elected President dont include a single woman.
No Jewish man has been President either. On the other hand, less than 4% of the US is Jewish, or has a Jewish background, whether s/he practices the religion or not.
Also, a Jewish man was appointed to the Supreme Court in 1916 before women even had the federal vote (the Susan B. Anthony Amendment wasnt passed till 1920.)
So, yes, if Bernie, a non-practicing Jewish man, becomes President it would be a milestone.
But Hillary becoming President would be a much, much bigger and more overdue milestone.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Not that he'll get the chance to run in the general election (he'd have to win the nomination first) but the "socialist" thing will be effectively exploited by the GOP. It will be a millstone shackled to his campaign that will sink it.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)" Hillary Clinton has dealt with tough customers and brought smiles, peace, and understanding to a world that is often inhospitable to many. Just this past week, these were her words"
"You have to work with institutions and partners, like NATO, the EU, the Arab League, and the UN. Strengthen alliances and never get tired of old-fashioned shoe-leather diplomacy.
And, if necessary, be prepared to act decisively on our own, just as we did to bring Osama bin Laden to justice. The United States and our allies must demonstrate that free people and free markets are still the hope of humanity.
This past week, as I watched the tragic scenes from France, I kept thinking back to a young man the world met in January, after the last attack in Paris. His name was Lassana, a Muslim immigrant from Mali who worked at a kosher market. He said the market had become a new home and his colleagues and customers, a second family.
When the terrorist arrived and the gunfire began, Lassana risked his life to protect his Jewish customers. He moved quickly, hiding as many people as he could in the cold storage room and then slipping out to help the police.
I didnt know or care, he said, if they were Jews or Christians or Muslims. We are all in the same boat.
What a rebuke to the extremists hatred.
The French government announced it would grant Lassana full citizenship. But when it mattered most, he proved he was a citizen already.
That is the power of free people. That is what the jihadis will never understand and never defeat.
She could never have imagined that the next terrorist attack would be upon that young mans native country. Hillary Clinton has never shrunk from a challenge, backed away from a threat, or failed to go the extra mile to stand up for what is right and fair. That requires the essence of stamina and strength. Lets remember her legacy as secretary of state while Donald Trump spins his latest toxic myth about her."
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misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)No strength or stamina?
From DOS Website:
Total Travel Time: 2084.21 Hours / 86.8 Days
Total Mileage: 956,733 Miles
Countries Visited:112
Travel Days: 401
Secretary Clinton: 2009 Travel
-Copenhagen, December 16-18, 2009
-Brussels, December 4, 2009
-Europe and Asia, November 8-19, 2009
-Pakistan, the Middle East, Morocco and Egypt, October 27-November 4, 2009
-Zurich, London, Dublin, Belfast, Moscow, and Kazan, October 9-15, 2009
-New York (United Nations 64th General Assembly), September 21-30, 2009
-Africa, August 3-14, 2009
-India and Thailand, July 17-23, 2009
-Travel to Canada, June 13-14, 2009
-El Salvador, Honduras, Egypt With the President, May 31-June 4, 2009
-Middle East, April 23-26, 2009
-Haiti, the Dominican Republic, and Trinidad and Tobago, April 16-19, 2009
-The Hague (International Conference on Afghanistan) and Europe, March 30-April 5, 2009
-Mexico, March 25-26, 2009
-The Middle East and Europe, February 28 March 8, 2009
-Asia, February 15-22, 2009
Secretary Clinton: 2010 Travel
-Canada, December 13, 2010
-Kazakhstan, the Kyrgyz Republic, Uzbekistan, and Bahrain, November 30-December 4, 2010
-Portugal, November 18-20, 2010
-Asia, October 27-November 8, 2010
-The Balkans and Brussels, October 11-14, 2010
-New York United Nations 65th General Assembly, September 19-27, 2010
-Sharm el-Sheikh, Jerusalem, Ramallah, and Amman, September 13-16, 2010.
-Pakistan, Afghanistan, Republic of Korea, and Vietnam, July 18-23, 2010
-Ukraine, Poland, Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia, July 1-6, 2010
-Latin America and the Caribbean, June 6-10, 2010
-Japan, China, and Korea, May 20-26, 2010
-Estonia, April 21-23, 2010
-Czech Republic, April 7-8, 2010
-Canada, March 29-30, 2010
-Mexico, March 23, 2010
-Moscow, March 18-19, 2010
-Latin America, February 28 March 5, 2010
-Qatar and Saudi Arabia, February 13-16, 2010
-London and Paris, January 26-29, 2010
-Canada, January 25, 2010
-Haiti, January 16, 2010
-The Pacific, January 11-14, 2010
Secretary Clinton: 2011 Travel
-Germany, Lithuania, Switzerland, Belgium, and the Netherlands, December 4-8, 2011
-Republic of Korea and Burma, November 30 December 2, 2011
-Hawaii, the Philippines, Thailand, and Indonesia, November 9-19, 2011
-London, United Kingdom and Istanbul, Turkey, November 1-2, 2011[Cancelled]
-Malta, Libya, Oman, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, October 17-23, 2011
-Dominican Republic, October 5, 2011
-New York United Nations 66th General Assembly, September 18-27, 2011
-San Francisco, September 14-16, 2011
-Paris, September 1, 2011
-Turkey, Greece, India, Indonesia, Hong Kong, and China July 14-25, 2011
-Budapest, Vilnius, and Madrid, June 29-July 2, 2011
-Guatemala and Jamaica, June 22, 2011
-U.A.E., Zambia, Tanzania, and Ethiopia, June 8-14, 2011
-London, Paris, and Islamabad, May 24-27, 2011
-Nuuk, Greenland, May 11-12
-Rome, May 4-6, 2011
-Berlin, Seoul, and Tokyo, April 13-17, 2011
-London, March 29, 2011
-France, March 19, 2011
-France, Egypt, Tunisia, March 14-17, 2011
-Switzerland, February 27-28, 2011
-Germany, February 4-6, 2011
-Haiti, January 30, 2011
-Mexico, January 24, 2011
-United Arab Emirates, Yemen, Oman, and Qatar, January 8-13, 2011
-Brazil, January 1, 2011
Secretary Clinton: 2012 Travel
Czech Republic, Belgium, Ireland, and Northern Ireland, December 3-7, 2012
-Jerusalem, Ramallah, and Cairo, November 20-21, 2012
-Australia, Singapore, Thailand, Burma, and Cambodia, Nov. 11-20, 2012
-Algeria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Kosovo, Albania, and Croatia: October 29-November 2, 2012
-Haiti, October 22
-Peru, October 15-16, 2012
-New York United Nations 67th General Assembly, September 23 October 1, 2012
-Cook Islands, Indonesia, China, Timor-Leste, Brunei, and Russia, August 30 September 9, 2012
-Turkey, August 11-12
-Senegal, South Sudan, Uganda, Kenya, Malawi, South Africa, Nigeria, Ghana, and Benin July 31 August 10
-France, Afghanistan, Japan, Mongolia, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Egypt and Israel, July 5-17, 2012
-Finland, Latvia, Russia, and Switzerland, June 27-30
-Brazil, June 20-22
-Mexico, June 18-19
-Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Turkey, May 31-June 7
-Chicago, May 19-21
-China, Bangladesh, and India, April 30-May 8
-Colombia, Brazil, Belgium, and France, April 13-19
-Saudi Arabia and Turkey, March 30-April 1, 2012
-United Kingdom, Tunisia, Algeria, and Morocco, February 22-26, 2012
-Los Cabos, Mexico, February 18-20, 2012
-Germany and Bulgaria, February 3-5, 2012
-Liberia, Cote dIvoire, Togo, and Cape Verde, January 16-17, 2012
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pnwmom
(108,980 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)..should feel absolute shame whe looking at just a short list of her accomplishments.
Stupid fools.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)There was this. Hillary Clintons State Department Legacy September 29, 2013 which included these.
>For the first time in its history she completely overhauled the State Department , USAID, and interagency cooperation with her Quadrennial Diplomacy and Development Review (QDDR.
>For the first time in history she called all of the chiefs of mission together at the State Department for annual conferences.
>She instituted an Office of Global Womens Issues.
>In June 2009 she provided benefits to domestic partners of foreign service diplomats for the first time.
>She brought previously neglected countries back to the table with numerous memoranda of understanding and countless business initiatives.
>She kept the alliance between Afghanistan and Pakistan stable despite enormous challenges.
>She reopened the vital supply route from Pakistan into Afghanistan.
>She ensured U.S. access to the vital Manas airstip in Kyrgystan.
>She Salvaged the Turkey-Armenia accords which she was supposed to simply witness when they suddenly nearly fell apart.
>She brought issues like human trafficking as well as violence against women and LGBT communities to the international table.
Hillary Clinton visited many dangerous and forgotten places, confronted dangerous men, delivered tough messages, brought home hard-won accords. She reached out to those who were slighted by the previous administration and brought opponents together.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Strength, Stamina & More.
http://still4hill.com/2012/07/08/hillary-clinton-makes-history-a-trilateral-agreement-with-pakistan-and-afghanistan/
And more:
http://still4hill.com/2010/07/08/video-secretary-clinton-at-u-s-angola-mou-signing-ceremony/
"Hillary Clinton visited many dangerous and forgotten places, confronted dangerous men, delivered tough messages, brought home hard-won accords. She reached out to those who were slighted by the previous administration and brought opponents together."
Thanks for asking Mr Trump
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Happens to be a woman. Thanks for your post.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)How is she viewed these days? Wouldn't you prefer the first female president be a true liberal/progressive? These are hard times for many people. Don't you think that policy is more important then historical milestones?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)through Congress than Hillary does. He's good at tilting at windmills. She's good at getting things done.
And I think he has a much worse chance of winning the general election.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...as a US Senator and persuading Buglaria to allow fracking as Secretary of State.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)I don't think it helps Hillary when the gender issue is raised. Some people will assume that's the only reason she has support, which is obviously not true.
As far as Sanders getting things through congress, I don't see any progressive policies passing, no matter who is in the white house. I do worry that Hillary will compromise and we've seen how that has worked for Obama. I want Sanders in so that progressive policies will have more exposure and will no longer be marginalized.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)than a President who refused to negotiate and compromise and didn't accomplish anything?
I think Obama has done well working against a Congress that has opposed him at every step of the way, from the very beginning.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)I'll give him that, but the thing I find disturbing about Obama is that he filled his administration with corporate hacks and Wall Street shills. His failure to go after the banks, and his consistent promotion of the TPP.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Maybe. He's not a close friend of Wall Street.
What do you know...
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)it will be by compromising.
And all the people who hate her for compromising, and hate Obama for compromising, will hate Sanders, too.
It's awfully easy to be uncompromising when all you have to do is cast your own Senate vote. Not so easy when you're President.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)At least Bernie will fight for what he believes in. Unlike Hillary, who changed her mind from day to day.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Her being elected would still be a big milestone.
My answer is no. I want to see a woman president, but not a corporate shill. That means I dont like Fiorina.
Or Clinton.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)She, Martin, and Bernie are much closer to each other than to ANY of the Republicans. That should be obvious watching any of the debates.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...then it will be great.
But I'm skeptical that she wants to get tough on Wall Street and oppose trade deals such as the TPP.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)elleng
(130,964 posts)'Milestones' are nice. The best candidate is better.
Why O'Malley?
Martin O'Malley:
1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders (raised taxes on the rich).
9. Reformed Marylands tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nations most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.
Mother Jones magazine called him the best candidate on environmental issues.
Article here:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12813
Governor O'Malley proposes Reform Social Security to support, rather than penalize, caregiving.
Governor O'Malley proposes:
Reform Social Security to support, rather than penalize, caregiving. Governor OMalley supports providing up to five years of caregiver credits that would increase the 35-year wage base for those who spend an extended period of time providing full-time care for children, elderly parents, or other dependents. In practice, current methods of calculating benefits penalize workers, most often women, who take extended time off to care for their families.
https://martinomalley.com/policy/expanding-social-security/
Hillary Clinton to Propose Tax Credit for Caregivers.
'Her Democratic rivals for the nomination, Maryland Gov. Martin OMalley and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, are in favor of small tax increases to pay for large programs. Sanders supports a 2.2% tax increase to pay for single-payer healthcare, and OMalley has voiced support for a Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand-sponsored paid family leave bill, which includes a 0.2% middle class tax increase.
The debate over whether to raise any taxes has become a contentious debate in the Democratic primary.'
http://time.com/4123569/hillary-clinton-caregivers-tax-credit/
Opening remarks at BET
http://www.bet.com/video/news/national/2015/martin-o-malley-opening-remarks.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
O'Malley Talks Contrasts with Clinton on ISIS with Rachel
ttp://on.aol.com/video/o-malley-talks-contrasts-with-clinton-on-isis-519268031
artislife
(9,497 posts)Me, too. I like Bernie best, but I must admire Martin especially for his strong support of the Muslim community. I am an atheist, but I think it is terrible when people are oppressed by their government and people at large.
I would not be troubled if Martin won the nom and I had to blacken the circle next to his name.
elleng
(130,964 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)but I couldn't respond to it.
My only way to respond was to write my own OP and put it somewhere anyone could answer.
elleng
(130,964 posts)Yes or No? (I guess as it's the Bernie forum, they say 'Yes.')
Happy Hanukah!
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)As if no woman could seriously care.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128077821
By the way, I like Martin. I think all our candidates are heads and shoulders -- and legs and feet -- above the other party's.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)I would think that is something most people could get behind, but to write a post about milestones that might be achieved with the first female or Jewish president just continues the divide.
We need to look at issues and their judgement when faced with difficult decisions, what they have done and stood for in the past?
Promises are just promises so they carry much less weight.
As a woman I will not give my support to Clinton based on her past actions and willingness to overthrow governments without regard as to what happens to the people and the millions that have been displaced.
Would it be nice to have a woman, sure, but that is not a reason to vote for her.
If you want to take a stand against another post, not sure which one, then do so. But please do not imply we should factor gender or religion into the equation as a response.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)countries and killing hundreds of thousands of people and leaving untold numbers of orphans, some of which might now be fighting against us.
I would never advocate support for a candidate based on "a milestone." Sorry I just do not base my judgements of people along those lines and I've been shaking my head to try and understand your argument, it is just foreign to me.
Gender, religion, race or sexual orientation will not influence my vote, but if that is something that will determine your support and vote and a reason you believe will rally support around a candidate ... then we will just disagree.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)that can be used, in total, to decide on a candidate.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)and the post in the Sanders group was ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128077821
"so when people go 'Hillary is a woman president..the first one'
why isn't the response
Bernie would be the first Jewish one *if they want to run that game*
They were not expressing their belief that religion should be a consideration.
We've all seen posts on DU about Clinton being a woman and how nice that would be ... THAT does not matter!
Sorry but gender, religion, race or sexual orientation does not matter that matter that much in selecting a candidate, at least to some people, when there are so many more pressing issuing in selecting a president. Obama would never have been elected if people did not look past the color of his skin.
Sorry I will not follow you down this path of judging people based on some attribute they were born into and allow that to cloud my thinking.
840high
(17,196 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Should we be voting for milestones instead of principles? Should the next president after Hillary be Hispanic? Then the next can be atheist? Then the next can be homosexual?
Is identity politics now more important than ideas and principles and platforms?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)The female majority hasn't been represented as President for more than 200 years of U.S. history. This doesn't compare to any of the other categories you mention.
Didn't you notice how much the election of President Obama meant to black people? The election of Hillary Clinton, an extremely well-qualified woman who stands as much a chance as anyone to work with this do-nothing Congress, would have a huge positive impact.
How would you feel if no man had ever been President? If only women had held the position for hundreds of years? Wouldn't you think it was time for a well-qualified man to have the chance?
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Obama's presidency means a lot to black people, but has it really improved race relations in America? Most people would say not at all. Are black people today better off than they were in 2008? Heck, you can even claim they are worse off as the conservatives have systematically dismantled the Voting Rights Act. And police are still beating them in the streets.
How much would a woman president change things for women? Anything involving abortion rights, birth control, equal pay, etc... would require an act of Congress. There isn't much motivation anyway as most women outside the far left aren't really fighting for anything. 70% of the country think women already have equality. Foreign policy? Hillary will probably be more hawkish than Obama. And she certainly favors Wall Street more than Obama.
To be perfectly honest....what I see happening is a celebration of a female president for a few months. And then years of disappointment as nothing changes in Washington or on Wall Street, and the middle and lower class continues to get screwed. That's my prediction.
What you need for change is a Democrat congress and a reformer for President. Hillary Clinton is NOT a reformer. She is a corporatist. She wants more H1B visas. She wants TPP. She's scaling back calls for a higher minimum wage. She'd support Keystone XL if the political winds shift on it. She was against gay marriage until those winds shifted. She voted for the Iraq war. She supports the death penalty. She wants to increase surveillance and invade our privacy. She is NOT a reformer. And the sense of entitlement that she and her supporters carry bothers me greatly.
Elizabeth Warren...yes, I would vote for her. But I won't vote for Hillary.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)about whether they're better off than they were in 2008.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Since we all believe in equality of both sexes. Issues and their honesty and motivation for running should matter, not their gender.
So what is the point of your OP? Maybe I'm missing it
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)when no woman has ever held that office. And the current Democratic female candidate, a former Secretary of State and Senator from a major state, is as qualified or more qualified than the majority of men who have ever held the office.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)It isn't about lip service to the idea of a woman president, it is about electing a president who does more than give lip service to progressive causes.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)He got virtually no legislation through Congress as Senator; I don't know why you should expect more as President.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)for the consumer credit industry and vote for the disastrous PATRIOT act which was a disaster for American civil rights. Sometimes not doing horrible things is something.
Not to mention the fact that he is known as the amendment king, achieved bipartisan support with the veterans bill, and acted as an advocate for the working class of America.
Good enough for me.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)He voted for the big funding pkg that allowed him access to the F-35 boondogle MIC Contract for VT.
Much to the objections of Vt citizens.
I think you omitted bernie's benefit to the MIC Contracts.
F-35 was no small insignificant MIC money grab.
Thanks
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)We are talking about the POTUS position, which should be judged on issues and the candidate's ability and truthfulness. Many don't consider Mrs. Clinton as being genuine, many think that she changes her mind as the wind blows. (I am one of the people who have that opinion of her ).
Achieving milestones in what gender gets the POTUS position shouldnt matter at all. Because that person will be our President for 4 or 8 years, not just 1 day. Their actions, truthfulness and dedication to achieve the platform they run on, that is what matters.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)This isn't some little coincidence.
And until the first woman HAS been President, no one can ever say it wasn't gender that held qualified female candidates back.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Do you not think both sexes are equal???
Maybe if a more genuine female candidate was running, more would like that person!!!
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Men have a built in edge, especially for the Office of the President.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Would you prefer Fiorina over Bernie, (if they were to be nominees) only because she's a woman??
You don't have to answer, we all know you wouldn't vote for her. So that.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Hillary, Bernie, and Martin all are much closer to each other than to anyone on the Rethug side.
On the other side, if the Democrats don't put a woman into office soon, then the Rethugs will. And we won't be happy with that, as we watch millions of Independent women and even some Democrats flock to the polls to vote for her.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Youre saying that they're "close to each other". Actually, they are not really that close. Bernie will never do a 180 on issues as from year to year or month to month .
As for the rethugs, I strongly doubt they care if a woman will ever be President. Fiorina will probably drop soon from the race.
So i still don't see the point you're trying to make in your OP.
840high
(17,196 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)to the WH became the first female president.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)She gave Bill a leg up throughout his career. It doesn't lessen her now to be aiming at the same high office. With her own achievements, she's paid her dues.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)than that. I will joyfully vote for a fellow woman for POTUS...the right woman. Hillary is not she.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)I say that as a feminist and as Jewish on my Dad's side.
Determining where our country and planet are heading is FAR more important to me at this time.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Sarah Palin was a woman as well, and it'd be a cold day in hell before I'd cast a vote for that horrible woman.
Hillary deserves and is getting my vote because she is the best candidate. She is the most experienced candidate. She is the most accomplished candidate. She is the candidate that will move us the most forward regardless of the congress she gets stuck with.
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)Which is why I'll likely be voting for Jill Stein in the general election.