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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 11:33 PM Nov 2015

Over 50% of the US population is female – more than half --

and yet the 43 people elected President don’t include a single woman.

No Jewish man has been President either. On the other hand, less than 4% of the US is Jewish, or has a Jewish background, whether s/he practices the religion or not.

Also, a Jewish man was appointed to the Supreme Court in 1916 – before women even had the federal vote (the Susan B. Anthony Amendment wasn’t passed till 1920.)


So, yes, if Bernie, a non-practicing Jewish man, becomes President it would be a milestone.

But Hillary becoming President would be a much, much bigger and more overdue milestone.

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Over 50% of the US population is female – more than half -- (Original Post) pnwmom Nov 2015 OP
First self-described "socialist" would be a huge milestone. NT Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #1
Socialists have never been legally barred from the Presidency, much less the VOTE. n/t pnwmom Nov 2015 #4
People have gone to prison for socialist writings. Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #13
I think "MILLSTONE" is the more apt metaphor. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #61
Trump stated : "Hillary Clinton lacks strength & stamina" misterhighwasted Nov 2015 #2
And heres more Mr Trump misterhighwasted Nov 2015 #3
Wow. pnwmom Nov 2015 #6
Thank you. Yes, that's a great example of the sexism women politicians have always faced. n/t pnwmom Nov 2015 #5
Exactly. Trump and every sexist fool to mock & demean this woman's worth misterhighwasted Nov 2015 #10
And here's more Mr Trump misterhighwasted Nov 2015 #7
Had enough strength & stamina Mr Trump? Here: misterhighwasted Nov 2015 #9
Good point, in the case of Hillary, she is very capable, experienced, strong, Democrat, and she Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #8
Margaret Thatcher was Britain's first female prime minister. TIME TO PANIC Nov 2015 #11
I don't think Bernie has a better chance of getting progressive policies pnwmom Nov 2015 #12
Things Hillary Clinton has gotten done include passing The Patriot Act Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #14
I disagree, but this is the discussion we should be having. TIME TO PANIC Nov 2015 #17
As long as the country moves to the left, even a little, isn't that better pnwmom Nov 2015 #19
He was left a huge mess and has had to work with a fascist congress for most of his two terms. TIME TO PANIC Nov 2015 #22
He doesn't? darkangel218 Nov 2015 #53
He'll run up against the same Congress she will. And if he succeeds, pnwmom Nov 2015 #54
They will all be compromising. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #56
Great. I'm ready to vote for Elizabeth Warren, just not someone I don't agree with. EndElectoral Nov 2015 #15
...+1 840high Nov 2015 #49
Will you vote for Carly Fiorina Travis_0004 Nov 2015 #16
No. And Clinton is nothing like her. pnwmom Nov 2015 #20
If Hillary Clinton is the same as a candidate and as a president Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #52
And I'm skeptical that Bernie has a chance of winning the General. n/t pnwmom Nov 2015 #55
And I, a Jewish woman, do not support either of them. elleng Nov 2015 #18
I respect that. Issues are very important to you. artislife Nov 2015 #34
Thanks elleng Nov 2015 #37
Achieving milestones are nice, but is this really something to consider when voting? nt slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #21
The Bernie forum has an OP right now about how Bernie would be the first Jewish President, pnwmom Nov 2015 #23
What's their consensus, elleng Nov 2015 #27
The OP called bringing up Hillary's gender "running a game." pnwmom Nov 2015 #29
Thanks elleng Nov 2015 #32
So why not write a post declaring that gender, religion, race, sexual orientation does not matter? slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #28
Because I think it DOES matter that no woman has ever been President. nt pnwmom Nov 2015 #30
Well that it nice, but not a reason to vote for someone who advocated for destabilizing other ... slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #41
I think it IS a reason. Not the ONLY reason, but one of the factors pnwmom Nov 2015 #43
Nope, never a reason nor a consideration ... slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #48
No - no for me. 840high Nov 2015 #50
maybe if you ask really nice and say pretty please they'll let you back in the club! snooper2 Nov 2015 #63
Yeah, right. nt pnwmom Nov 2015 #65
A milestone, yes. But how much would realistically change? davidn3600 Nov 2015 #24
51%. Not 10%. Not 20%. 51%. The MAJORITY. pnwmom Nov 2015 #25
But the president isn't an emperor davidn3600 Nov 2015 #44
Ask this question in the African American forum. See what they have to say pnwmom Nov 2015 #59
The gender of a presidential candidate should not matter. It is not a + or a - darkangel218 Nov 2015 #26
Giving lip service to the idea of a woman being President is pretty meaningless pnwmom Nov 2015 #31
Evidently, many DUers disagree with you, based on the issues. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #33
That's all Bernie has ever done. It's all he is still doing. Talking. pnwmom Nov 2015 #36
Well, for one he didn't kowtow to the MIC by voting for a pointless war and bend over backwards JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #39
You left out the MIC F-35 Contract bernie grabbed for Vt misterhighwasted Nov 2015 #66
Still, her gender shouldn't matter. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #35
But it clearly DOES matter, because no woman has EVER been elected. pnwmom Nov 2015 #38
That is simply a milestone. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #40
I don't think both (or all) genders have an equal chance in an election. No, I don't. pnwmom Nov 2015 #42
Gender doesn't matter. What they will do once in the position is what matters! darkangel218 Nov 2015 #45
Of course I wouldn't support Fiorna. But Hillary's record is nothing like hers. pnwmom Nov 2015 #46
And Bernie's record is much better than Hillary's. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #47
Gender is not what I vote for. 840high Nov 2015 #51
Even more meaningful would be if a woman not following the footsteps of her husband RiverLover Nov 2015 #57
She was the 2 term Senator of a large state and the Secretary of State. pnwmom Nov 2015 #58
I want the milestone to mean something more LWolf Nov 2015 #60
I don't care a whit about milestones right now. Hell Hath No Fury Nov 2015 #62
I love Hillary, and I'm 100% in for her, but that's not the reason Amimnoch Nov 2015 #64
I have no problem voting for a woman NobodyHere Nov 2015 #67

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
61. I think "MILLSTONE" is the more apt metaphor.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 10:54 AM
Nov 2015

Not that he'll get the chance to run in the general election (he'd have to win the nomination first) but the "socialist" thing will be effectively exploited by the GOP. It will be a millstone shackled to his campaign that will sink it.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
2. Trump stated : "Hillary Clinton lacks strength & stamina"
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 11:46 PM
Nov 2015
Here Mr Trump, this is for you.

" Hillary Clinton has dealt with tough customers and brought smiles, peace, and understanding  to a world that is often inhospitable to many.  Just this past week, these were her words"
 
"You have to work with institutions and partners, like NATO, the EU, the Arab League, and the UN.  Strengthen alliances and never get tired of old-fashioned shoe-leather diplomacy.

And, if necessary, be prepared to act decisively on our own, just as we did to bring Osama bin Laden to justice. The United States and our allies must demonstrate that free people and free markets are still the hope of humanity.

This past week, as I watched the tragic scenes from France, I kept thinking back to a young man the world met in January, after the last attack in Paris. His name was Lassana, a Muslim immigrant from Mali who worked at a kosher market. He said the market had become a new home and his colleagues and customers, a “second family.”

When the terrorist arrived and the gunfire began, Lassana risked his life to protect his Jewish customers. He moved quickly, hiding as many people as he could in the cold storage room and then slipping out to help the police.

“I didn’t know or care,” he said, “if they were Jews or Christians or Muslims. We are all in the same boat.”

What a rebuke to the extremists’ hatred.

The French government announced it would grant Lassana full citizenship. But when it mattered most, he proved he was a citizen already.

That is the power of free people. That is what the jihadis will never understand and never defeat.

She could never have imagined that the next terrorist attack would be upon that young man’s native country.  Hillary Clinton has never shrunk from a challenge, backed away from a threat, or failed to go the extra mile to stand up for what is right and fair.  That requires the essence of stamina and strength.  Let’s remember her legacy as secretary of state while Donald Trump spins his latest toxic myth about her."
Cont..

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
3. And heres more Mr Trump
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 11:49 PM
Nov 2015

No strength or stamina?

From DOS Website:

Total Travel Time: 2084.21 Hours / 86.8 Days
Total Mileage: 956,733 Miles
Countries Visited:112
Travel Days: 401

Secretary Clinton: 2009 Travel

-Copenhagen, December 16-18, 2009
-Brussels, December 4, 2009
-Europe and Asia, November 8-19, 2009
-Pakistan, the Middle East, Morocco and Egypt, October 27-November 4, 2009
-Zurich, London, Dublin, Belfast, Moscow, and Kazan, October 9-15, 2009
-New York (United Nations 64th General Assembly), September 21-30, 2009
-Africa, August 3-14, 2009
-India and Thailand, July 17-23, 2009
-Travel to Canada, June 13-14, 2009
-El Salvador, Honduras, Egypt With the President, May 31-June 4, 2009
-Middle East, April 23-26, 2009
-Haiti, the Dominican Republic, and Trinidad and Tobago, April 16-19, 2009
-The Hague (International Conference on Afghanistan) and Europe, March 30-April 5, 2009
-Mexico, March 25-26, 2009
-The Middle East and Europe, February 28 – March 8, 2009
-Asia, February 15-22, 2009
Secretary Clinton: 2010 Travel

-Canada, December 13, 2010
-Kazakhstan, the Kyrgyz Republic, Uzbekistan, and Bahrain, November 30-December 4, 2010
-Portugal, November 18-20, 2010
-Asia, October 27-November 8, 2010
-The Balkans and Brussels, October 11-14, 2010
-New York United Nations 65th General Assembly, September 19-27, 2010
-Sharm el-Sheikh, Jerusalem, Ramallah, and Amman, September 13-16, 2010.
-Pakistan, Afghanistan, Republic of Korea, and Vietnam, July 18-23, 2010
-Ukraine, Poland, Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia, July 1-6, 2010
-Latin America and the Caribbean, June 6-10, 2010
-Japan, China, and Korea, May 20-26, 2010
-Estonia, April 21-23, 2010
-Czech Republic, April 7-8, 2010
-Canada, March 29-30, 2010
-Mexico, March 23, 2010
-Moscow, March 18-19, 2010
-Latin America, February 28 – March 5, 2010
-Qatar and Saudi Arabia, February 13-16, 2010
-London and Paris, January 26-29, 2010
-Canada, January 25, 2010
-Haiti, January 16, 2010
-The Pacific, January 11-14, 2010

Secretary Clinton: 2011 Travel

-Germany, Lithuania, Switzerland, Belgium, and the Netherlands, December 4-8, 2011
-Republic of Korea and Burma, November 30 – December 2, 2011
-Hawaii, the Philippines, Thailand, and Indonesia, November 9-19, 2011
-London, United Kingdom and Istanbul, Turkey, November 1-2, 2011[Cancelled]
-Malta, Libya, Oman, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, October 17-23, 2011
-Dominican Republic, October 5, 2011
-New York United Nations 66th General Assembly, September 18-27, 2011
-San Francisco, September 14-16, 2011
-Paris, September 1, 2011
-Turkey, Greece, India, Indonesia, Hong Kong, and China July 14-25, 2011
-Budapest, Vilnius, and Madrid, June 29-July 2, 2011
-Guatemala and Jamaica, June 22, 2011
-U.A.E., Zambia, Tanzania, and Ethiopia, June 8-14, 2011
-London, Paris, and Islamabad, May 24-27, 2011
-Nuuk, Greenland, May 11-12
-Rome, May 4-6, 2011
-Berlin, Seoul, and Tokyo, April 13-17, 2011
-London, March 29, 2011
-France, March 19, 2011
-France, Egypt, Tunisia, March 14-17, 2011
-Switzerland, February 27-28, 2011
-Germany, February 4-6, 2011
-Haiti, January 30, 2011
-Mexico, January 24, 2011
-United Arab Emirates, Yemen, Oman, and Qatar, January 8-13, 2011
-Brazil, January 1, 2011

Secretary Clinton: 2012 Travel
Czech Republic, Belgium, Ireland, and Northern Ireland, December 3-7, 2012
-Jerusalem, Ramallah, and Cairo, November 20-21, 2012
-Australia, Singapore, Thailand, Burma, and Cambodia, Nov. 11-20, 2012
-Algeria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Kosovo, Albania, and Croatia: October 29-November 2, 2012
-Haiti, October 22
-Peru, October 15-16, 2012
-New York United Nations 67th General Assembly, September 23 – October 1, 2012
-Cook Islands, Indonesia, China, Timor-Leste, Brunei, and Russia, August 30 – September 9, 2012
-Turkey, August 11-12
-Senegal, South Sudan, Uganda, Kenya, Malawi, South Africa, Nigeria, Ghana, and Benin July 31 – August 10
-France, Afghanistan, Japan, Mongolia, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Egypt and Israel, July 5-17, 2012
-Finland, Latvia, Russia, and Switzerland, June 27-30
-Brazil, June 20-22
-Mexico, June 18-19
-Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Turkey, May 31-June 7
-Chicago, May 19-21
-China, Bangladesh, and India, April 30-May 8
-Colombia, Brazil, Belgium, and France, April 13-19
-Saudi Arabia and Turkey, March 30-April 1, 2012
-United Kingdom, Tunisia, Algeria, and Morocco, February 22-26, 2012
-Los Cabos, Mexico, February 18-20, 2012
-Germany and Bulgaria, February 3-5, 2012
-Liberia, Cote d’Ivoire, Togo, and Cape Verde, January 16-17, 2012

Cont..

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
10. Exactly. Trump and every sexist fool to mock & demean this woman's worth
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:05 AM
Nov 2015

..should feel absolute shame whe looking at just a short list of her accomplishments.
Stupid fools.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
7. And here's more Mr Trump
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 11:52 PM
Nov 2015

There was this.  Hillary Clinton’s State Department Legacy September 29, 2013 which included these.

>For the first time in its history she completely overhauled the State Department , USAID, and interagency cooperation with her Quadrennial Diplomacy and Development Review (QDDR.

>For the first time in history she called all of the chiefs of mission together at the State Department for annual conferences.

>She instituted an Office of Global Women’s Issues.

>In June 2009 she  provided benefits to domestic partners of foreign service diplomats for the first time.

>She brought previously neglected countries back to the table with numerous memoranda of understanding and countless business initiatives.

>She kept the alliance between Afghanistan and Pakistan stable despite enormous challenges.

>She reopened the vital supply route from Pakistan into Afghanistan.

>She ensured U.S. access to the vital Manas airstip in Kyrgystan.

>She Salvaged the Turkey-Armenia accords which  she was supposed to simply witness when they suddenly nearly fell apart.

>She brought issues like human trafficking as well as violence against women and LGBT communities to the international table.

Hillary Clinton visited many dangerous and forgotten places, confronted dangerous men, delivered tough messages, brought home hard-won accords.  She reached out to those who were slighted by the previous administration and brought opponents together.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
9. Had enough strength & stamina Mr Trump? Here:
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 11:58 PM
Nov 2015
http://still4hill.com/2015/11/22/the-politics-of-urban-legends-toxic-myths/

Strength, Stamina & More.

http://still4hill.com/2012/07/08/hillary-clinton-makes-history-a-trilateral-agreement-with-pakistan-and-afghanistan/

And more:

http://still4hill.com/2010/07/08/video-secretary-clinton-at-u-s-angola-mou-signing-ceremony/

"Hillary Clinton visited many dangerous and forgotten places, confronted dangerous men, delivered tough messages, brought home hard-won accords.  She reached out to those who were slighted by the previous administration and brought opponents together."

Thanks for asking Mr Trump

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
8. Good point, in the case of Hillary, she is very capable, experienced, strong, Democrat, and she
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 11:52 PM
Nov 2015

Happens to be a woman. Thanks for your post.

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
11. Margaret Thatcher was Britain's first female prime minister.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:16 AM
Nov 2015

How is she viewed these days? Wouldn't you prefer the first female president be a true liberal/progressive? These are hard times for many people. Don't you think that policy is more important then historical milestones?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
12. I don't think Bernie has a better chance of getting progressive policies
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:18 AM
Nov 2015

through Congress than Hillary does. He's good at tilting at windmills. She's good at getting things done.

And I think he has a much worse chance of winning the general election.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
14. Things Hillary Clinton has gotten done include passing The Patriot Act
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:28 AM
Nov 2015

...as a US Senator and persuading Buglaria to allow fracking as Secretary of State.

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
17. I disagree, but this is the discussion we should be having.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:40 AM
Nov 2015

I don't think it helps Hillary when the gender issue is raised. Some people will assume that's the only reason she has support, which is obviously not true.

As far as Sanders getting things through congress, I don't see any progressive policies passing, no matter who is in the white house. I do worry that Hillary will compromise and we've seen how that has worked for Obama. I want Sanders in so that progressive policies will have more exposure and will no longer be marginalized.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
19. As long as the country moves to the left, even a little, isn't that better
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:46 AM
Nov 2015

than a President who refused to negotiate and compromise and didn't accomplish anything?

I think Obama has done well working against a Congress that has opposed him at every step of the way, from the very beginning.

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
22. He was left a huge mess and has had to work with a fascist congress for most of his two terms.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:02 AM
Nov 2015

I'll give him that, but the thing I find disturbing about Obama is that he filled his administration with corporate hacks and Wall Street shills. His failure to go after the banks, and his consistent promotion of the TPP.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
54. He'll run up against the same Congress she will. And if he succeeds,
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:06 AM
Nov 2015

it will be by compromising.

And all the people who hate her for compromising, and hate Obama for compromising, will hate Sanders, too.

It's awfully easy to be uncompromising when all you have to do is cast your own Senate vote. Not so easy when you're President.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
56. They will all be compromising.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:07 AM
Nov 2015

At least Bernie will fight for what he believes in. Unlike Hillary, who changed her mind from day to day.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
16. Will you vote for Carly Fiorina
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:35 AM
Nov 2015

Her being elected would still be a big milestone.

My answer is no. I want to see a woman president, but not a corporate shill. That means I dont like Fiorina.


Or Clinton.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
20. No. And Clinton is nothing like her.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:47 AM
Nov 2015

She, Martin, and Bernie are much closer to each other than to ANY of the Republicans. That should be obvious watching any of the debates.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
52. If Hillary Clinton is the same as a candidate and as a president
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:59 AM
Nov 2015

...then it will be great.

But I'm skeptical that she wants to get tough on Wall Street and oppose trade deals such as the TPP.

elleng

(130,964 posts)
18. And I, a Jewish woman, do not support either of them.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:44 AM
Nov 2015

'Milestones' are nice. The best candidate is better.

Why O'Malley?

Martin O'Malley:

1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders (raised taxes on the rich).
9. Reformed Maryland’s tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.

Mother Jones magazine called him the best candidate on environmental issues.
Article here:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12813

Governor O'Malley proposes Reform Social Security to support, rather than penalize, caregiving.

Governor O'Malley proposes:

Reform Social Security to support, rather than penalize, caregiving. Governor O’Malley supports providing up to five years of “caregiver credits” that would increase the 35-year wage base for those who spend an extended period of time providing full-time care for children, elderly parents, or other dependents. In practice, current methods of calculating benefits penalize workers, most often women, who take extended time off to care for their families.

https://martinomalley.com/policy/expanding-social-security/

Hillary Clinton to Propose Tax Credit for Caregivers.

'Her Democratic rivals for the nomination, Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, are in favor of small tax increases to pay for large programs. Sanders supports a 2.2% tax increase to pay for single-payer healthcare, and O’Malley has voiced support for a Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand-sponsored paid family leave bill, which includes a 0.2% middle class tax increase.

The debate over whether to raise any taxes has become a contentious debate in the Democratic primary.'

http://time.com/4123569/hillary-clinton-caregivers-tax-credit/

Opening remarks at BET

http://www.bet.com/video/news/national/2015/martin-o-malley-opening-remarks.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

O'Malley Talks Contrasts with Clinton on ISIS with Rachel
ttp://on.aol.com/video/o-malley-talks-contrasts-with-clinton-on-isis-519268031

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
34. I respect that. Issues are very important to you.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:14 AM
Nov 2015

Me, too. I like Bernie best, but I must admire Martin especially for his strong support of the Muslim community. I am an atheist, but I think it is terrible when people are oppressed by their government and people at large.

I would not be troubled if Martin won the nom and I had to blacken the circle next to his name.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
23. The Bernie forum has an OP right now about how Bernie would be the first Jewish President,
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:24 AM
Nov 2015

but I couldn't respond to it.

My only way to respond was to write my own OP and put it somewhere anyone could answer.

elleng

(130,964 posts)
27. What's their consensus,
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:48 AM
Nov 2015

Yes or No? (I guess as it's the Bernie forum, they say 'Yes.')
Happy Hanukah!

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
29. The OP called bringing up Hillary's gender "running a game."
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:04 AM
Nov 2015

As if no woman could seriously care.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128077821

By the way, I like Martin. I think all our candidates are heads and shoulders -- and legs and feet -- above the other party's.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
28. So why not write a post declaring that gender, religion, race, sexual orientation does not matter?
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:01 AM
Nov 2015

I would think that is something most people could get behind, but to write a post about milestones that might be achieved with the first female or Jewish president just continues the divide.

We need to look at issues and their judgement when faced with difficult decisions, what they have done and stood for in the past?

Promises are just promises so they carry much less weight.

As a woman I will not give my support to Clinton based on her past actions and willingness to overthrow governments without regard as to what happens to the people and the millions that have been displaced.

Would it be nice to have a woman, sure, but that is not a reason to vote for her.

If you want to take a stand against another post, not sure which one, then do so. But please do not imply we should factor gender or religion into the equation as a response.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
41. Well that it nice, but not a reason to vote for someone who advocated for destabilizing other ...
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:22 AM
Nov 2015

countries and killing hundreds of thousands of people and leaving untold numbers of orphans, some of which might now be fighting against us.

I would never advocate support for a candidate based on "a milestone." Sorry I just do not base my judgements of people along those lines and I've been shaking my head to try and understand your argument, it is just foreign to me.

Gender, religion, race or sexual orientation will not influence my vote, but if that is something that will determine your support and vote and a reason you believe will rally support around a candidate ... then we will just disagree.




pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
43. I think it IS a reason. Not the ONLY reason, but one of the factors
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:23 AM
Nov 2015

that can be used, in total, to decide on a candidate.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
48. Nope, never a reason nor a consideration ...
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:45 AM
Nov 2015

and the post in the Sanders group was ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128077821

"so when people go 'Hillary is a woman president..the first one'

why isn't the response

Bernie would be the first Jewish one *if they want to run that game*


They were not expressing their belief that religion should be a consideration.

We've all seen posts on DU about Clinton being a woman and how nice that would be ... THAT does not matter!

Sorry but gender, religion, race or sexual orientation does not matter that matter that much in selecting a candidate, at least to some people, when there are so many more pressing issuing in selecting a president. Obama would never have been elected if people did not look past the color of his skin.

Sorry I will not follow you down this path of judging people based on some attribute they were born into and allow that to cloud my thinking.



 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
24. A milestone, yes. But how much would realistically change?
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:29 AM
Nov 2015

Should we be voting for milestones instead of principles? Should the next president after Hillary be Hispanic? Then the next can be atheist? Then the next can be homosexual?

Is identity politics now more important than ideas and principles and platforms?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
25. 51%. Not 10%. Not 20%. 51%. The MAJORITY.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:41 AM
Nov 2015

The female majority hasn't been represented as President for more than 200 years of U.S. history. This doesn't compare to any of the other categories you mention.

Didn't you notice how much the election of President Obama meant to black people? The election of Hillary Clinton, an extremely well-qualified woman who stands as much a chance as anyone to work with this do-nothing Congress, would have a huge positive impact.

How would you feel if no man had ever been President? If only women had held the position for hundreds of years? Wouldn't you think it was time for a well-qualified man to have the chance?

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
44. But the president isn't an emperor
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:26 AM
Nov 2015

Obama's presidency means a lot to black people, but has it really improved race relations in America? Most people would say not at all. Are black people today better off than they were in 2008? Heck, you can even claim they are worse off as the conservatives have systematically dismantled the Voting Rights Act. And police are still beating them in the streets.

How much would a woman president change things for women? Anything involving abortion rights, birth control, equal pay, etc... would require an act of Congress. There isn't much motivation anyway as most women outside the far left aren't really fighting for anything. 70% of the country think women already have equality. Foreign policy? Hillary will probably be more hawkish than Obama. And she certainly favors Wall Street more than Obama.

To be perfectly honest....what I see happening is a celebration of a female president for a few months. And then years of disappointment as nothing changes in Washington or on Wall Street, and the middle and lower class continues to get screwed. That's my prediction.

What you need for change is a Democrat congress and a reformer for President. Hillary Clinton is NOT a reformer. She is a corporatist. She wants more H1B visas. She wants TPP. She's scaling back calls for a higher minimum wage. She'd support Keystone XL if the political winds shift on it. She was against gay marriage until those winds shifted. She voted for the Iraq war. She supports the death penalty. She wants to increase surveillance and invade our privacy. She is NOT a reformer. And the sense of entitlement that she and her supporters carry bothers me greatly.

Elizabeth Warren...yes, I would vote for her. But I won't vote for Hillary.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
59. Ask this question in the African American forum. See what they have to say
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:56 AM
Nov 2015

about whether they're better off than they were in 2008.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
26. The gender of a presidential candidate should not matter. It is not a + or a -
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:44 AM
Nov 2015

Since we all believe in equality of both sexes. Issues and their honesty and motivation for running should matter, not their gender.

So what is the point of your OP? Maybe I'm missing it

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
31. Giving lip service to the idea of a woman being President is pretty meaningless
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:08 AM
Nov 2015

when no woman has ever held that office. And the current Democratic female candidate, a former Secretary of State and Senator from a major state, is as qualified or more qualified than the majority of men who have ever held the office.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
33. Evidently, many DUers disagree with you, based on the issues.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:12 AM
Nov 2015

It isn't about lip service to the idea of a woman president, it is about electing a president who does more than give lip service to progressive causes.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
36. That's all Bernie has ever done. It's all he is still doing. Talking.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:17 AM
Nov 2015

He got virtually no legislation through Congress as Senator; I don't know why you should expect more as President.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
39. Well, for one he didn't kowtow to the MIC by voting for a pointless war and bend over backwards
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:20 AM
Nov 2015

for the consumer credit industry and vote for the disastrous PATRIOT act which was a disaster for American civil rights. Sometimes not doing horrible things is something.

Not to mention the fact that he is known as the amendment king, achieved bipartisan support with the veterans bill, and acted as an advocate for the working class of America.

Good enough for me.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
66. You left out the MIC F-35 Contract bernie grabbed for Vt
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:36 PM
Nov 2015

He voted for the big funding pkg that allowed him access to the F-35 boondogle MIC Contract for VT.
Much to the objections of Vt citizens.

I think you omitted bernie's benefit to the MIC Contracts.
F-35 was no small insignificant MIC money grab.

Thanks

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
35. Still, her gender shouldn't matter.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:15 AM
Nov 2015

We are talking about the POTUS position, which should be judged on issues and the candidate's ability and truthfulness. Many don't consider Mrs. Clinton as being genuine, many think that she changes her mind as the wind blows. (I am one of the people who have that opinion of her ).

Achieving milestones in what gender gets the POTUS position shouldnt matter at all. Because that person will be our President for 4 or 8 years, not just 1 day. Their actions, truthfulness and dedication to achieve the platform they run on, that is what matters.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
38. But it clearly DOES matter, because no woman has EVER been elected.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:19 AM
Nov 2015

This isn't some little coincidence.

And until the first woman HAS been President, no one can ever say it wasn't gender that held qualified female candidates back.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
40. That is simply a milestone.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:21 AM
Nov 2015

Do you not think both sexes are equal???

Maybe if a more genuine female candidate was running, more would like that person!!!

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
42. I don't think both (or all) genders have an equal chance in an election. No, I don't.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:22 AM
Nov 2015

Men have a built in edge, especially for the Office of the President.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
45. Gender doesn't matter. What they will do once in the position is what matters!
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:26 AM
Nov 2015

Would you prefer Fiorina over Bernie, (if they were to be nominees) only because she's a woman??

You don't have to answer, we all know you wouldn't vote for her. So that.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
46. Of course I wouldn't support Fiorna. But Hillary's record is nothing like hers.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:32 AM
Nov 2015

Hillary, Bernie, and Martin all are much closer to each other than to anyone on the Rethug side.

On the other side, if the Democrats don't put a woman into office soon, then the Rethugs will. And we won't be happy with that, as we watch millions of Independent women and even some Democrats flock to the polls to vote for her.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
47. And Bernie's record is much better than Hillary's.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:40 AM
Nov 2015

Youre saying that they're "close to each other". Actually, they are not really that close. Bernie will never do a 180 on issues as from year to year or month to month .
As for the rethugs, I strongly doubt they care if a woman will ever be President. Fiorina will probably drop soon from the race.

So i still don't see the point you're trying to make in your OP.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
57. Even more meaningful would be if a woman not following the footsteps of her husband
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:22 AM
Nov 2015

to the WH became the first female president.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
58. She was the 2 term Senator of a large state and the Secretary of State.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:53 AM
Nov 2015

She gave Bill a leg up throughout his career. It doesn't lessen her now to be aiming at the same high office. With her own achievements, she's paid her dues.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
60. I want the milestone to mean something more
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 10:32 AM
Nov 2015

than that. I will joyfully vote for a fellow woman for POTUS...the right woman. Hillary is not she.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
62. I don't care a whit about milestones right now.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:31 PM
Nov 2015

I say that as a feminist and as Jewish on my Dad's side.

Determining where our country and planet are heading is FAR more important to me at this time.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
64. I love Hillary, and I'm 100% in for her, but that's not the reason
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:35 PM
Nov 2015

Sarah Palin was a woman as well, and it'd be a cold day in hell before I'd cast a vote for that horrible woman.

Hillary deserves and is getting my vote because she is the best candidate. She is the most experienced candidate. She is the most accomplished candidate. She is the candidate that will move us the most forward regardless of the congress she gets stuck with.

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
67. I have no problem voting for a woman
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:39 PM
Nov 2015

Which is why I'll likely be voting for Jill Stein in the general election.

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