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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:29 AM Nov 2015

Bernie Sanders Struggles in South Carolina

Winthrop University polling director Scott Huffmon has said of the voting bloc that, "African-Americans can make up over 50% of the Democratic Presidential Primary vote in South Carolina, which is a much larger portion than you'll see in the Iowa Caucus or New Hampshire primary."

Sanders himself is not oblivious to the polling. During a gaggle with reporters outside of the state party on Saturday, Sanders said he knows it'll be hard to close the very wide gap with African-American voters in South Carolina.

"We have our work cut out for us here in South Carolina, but when I began this campaign, I would bet that 80-90% of the people in South Carolina didn't even know who Bernie Sanders was," he said, referring to himself in the third person.

His African-American supporters in the state agree that name recognition remains his biggest challenge. Sedona Tate, a 22-year-old Sanders supporter in Columbia, says that Bill Clinton boosts Hillary's visibility in the state.




http://m.wtae.com/politics/bernie-sanders-struggles-in-south-carolina/36602102
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Bernie Sanders Struggles in South Carolina (Original Post) bravenak Nov 2015 OP
May I ask why it is notable that he referred to himself in the third person? n/t JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #1
It is noted by the reporter. I noticed it during the debates. bravenak Nov 2015 #2
Bob Dole was (rightfully) mocked for referring to himself in the third person. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #11
Usually it is wierd and creepy Kentonio Nov 2015 #39
He did it in the first debate bravenak Nov 2015 #43
So the reader knows that he did so 72DejaVu Nov 2015 #47
A couple of my sorrors still live there in Charleston where Iliyah Nov 2015 #3
This must make you happy, I bet they are voting for her too. bravenak Nov 2015 #5
Yes, and the National DST support her as well Iliyah Nov 2015 #9
She is ready for the General bravenak Nov 2015 #10
Shame the polls disagree.. Kentonio Nov 2015 #40
I have no idea what you mean bravenak Nov 2015 #42
Bernie struggles to get 65% of the vote at a straw poll on BET in SC jfern Nov 2015 #4
I do not understand what the BET straw poll has to do with the statewide polls. bravenak Nov 2015 #6
Bernie was once 3% nationwide jfern Nov 2015 #7
He has not yet. bravenak Nov 2015 #8
You mean he "struggles" in a red state??? darkangel218 Nov 2015 #12
Why doesn't he run more ads? nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #14
Maybe because he doesn't have the Wall Street mulah behind him!! darkangel218 Nov 2015 #15
Awww. Poor Bernie. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #19
Yah! Poor Bernie!! darkangel218 Nov 2015 #20
Reality is presidential campaigns cost money. Lots of money. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #21
Didn't Hillary say money should be taken out of politics??? darkangel218 Nov 2015 #24
Yes, but she won't unilaterally disarm until that happens. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #26
She should take the lead, shouldn't she??? darkangel218 Nov 2015 #28
She does not have more money than the GOP. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #31
So far she's running in the Primaries. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #32
What do you think the Benghazi hearing was all about last month? nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #33
Thats not the point. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #34
I suggest you have some warm milk and go to bed. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #37
All I know is that the Primaries havent even started yet. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #38
Hillary will earn her votes. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #41
I "sound irritable"?? darkangel218 Nov 2015 #45
She has to get elected first. yardwork Nov 2015 #96
She could have started by setting an example, darkangel218 Nov 2015 #98
Bernie has the money SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2015 #35
Hillary obviously has more mulah, darkangel218 Nov 2015 #36
read this. it says much about the American electorate SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2015 #46
Great piece! Thanks for posting! - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #56
He struggles in a red state among Democrats dsc Nov 2015 #54
K & R SunSeeker Nov 2015 #13
For what?? darkangel218 Nov 2015 #16
For what? For Bravenak. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #17
Lol... darkangel218 Nov 2015 #18
I like Bravenak's posts. So sue me. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #22
Ita a free country.. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #23
k&r. nt msanthrope Nov 2015 #25
Why? darkangel218 Nov 2015 #27
My, my...aren't we in a combative mood. nt msanthrope Nov 2015 #29
I asked a simple question. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #30
I don't answer your questions. nt msanthrope Nov 2015 #44
Sure. Because you don't have an answer. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #83
No ....you are on a select list of posters I do not deign to answer questions from. msanthrope Nov 2015 #86
K&R... SidDithers Nov 2015 #48
I must have somebody on ignore, lol.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #49
Lots of replies from darkangel218 up thread... SidDithers Nov 2015 #50
Oh. Yep, that's definately the one then. bravenak Nov 2015 #53
Someone alerted on this. Results when I get them. FSogol Nov 2015 #58
The results.... FSogol Nov 2015 #59
Unbelievable...nt SidDithers Nov 2015 #68
Par for the course? FSogol Nov 2015 #69
Yeah, pretty much... SidDithers Nov 2015 #70
Bernie was referring to "We, the People" when he sais "we have our work cut out for us", not himself peacebird Nov 2015 #51
Not the first time he has been noticed doing that bravenak Nov 2015 #76
I think the reporter is referring to his reference to "Bernie Sanders." yardwork Nov 2015 #97
Lolololololol, we know who he is here in SC. giftedgirl77 Nov 2015 #52
Any excuse will do! bravenak Nov 2015 #55
K&R BootinUp Nov 2015 #57
Third Person Bernie ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #60
I'm waiting too. To see a solution. bravenak Nov 2015 #61
Third Person, Second Place. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #62
Everytime anyone does it I get a little irritated. bravenak Nov 2015 #64
For many of us, South Carolina is hostile territory. Very strongly anti gay and antisemitic, hugely Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #63
Sure. The entire nation is hostile to blacks. I get it. bravenak Nov 2015 #65
But you seem to celebrate that hostility toward Bernie. I think bias motivated hostility is a very Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #66
Bias towards Bernie? Nobody HAS to like anybody. bravenak Nov 2015 #72
Referring to yourself in the third person.... MaggieD Nov 2015 #67
I notice it anytime anybody does it. bravenak Nov 2015 #73
I think it's a sign of grandiosity MaggieD Nov 2015 #74
yes it's been noted the reddest states seem to love Hillary azurnoir Nov 2015 #71
The states with the highest black population in our primary love Hillary. bravenak Nov 2015 #75
And they will go Republican in the general. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2015 #77
She may win one or two of those states. bravenak Nov 2015 #78
Granted, any Dem will have hard time winning in red states. That's why they're red states. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2015 #85
Why shouldn't democrats in Red States have a say? bravenak Nov 2015 #89
Having lived in the Black community most of my adult life I'm pretty sure azurnoir Nov 2015 #81
And because we use the internet. Seriously. Everyone I know that cares about politics, talks about bravenak Nov 2015 #82
oh believe me I hear all the antisocialism stuff with some frequency azurnoir Nov 2015 #84
Well, I am black and socialism polls better with US. bravenak Nov 2015 #90
A southern sweep for Hillary. Alfresco Nov 2015 #79
Yep bravenak Nov 2015 #80
And, most likely, a southern sweep for the GOP next November. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2015 #87
It's very likely Hillary will carry Florida. Alfresco Nov 2015 #88
Damn good reason! He should be struggling. Cha Nov 2015 #91
He did eat SOUL FOOD bravenak Nov 2015 #94
How I could miss? "BS EATS SOUL FOOD... !!!!!11111" Cha Nov 2015 #95
Struggles? Thats putting it mildly. William769 Nov 2015 #92
OKAY!!! bravenak Nov 2015 #93
In your dreams only. Nt darkangel218 Nov 2015 #99
Not my dreams. Clinton 72, Sanders 25, O'Malley 2 William769 Nov 2015 #106
Let's go back to your little Titanic pic when Hillary loses the nomination. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #108
Whatever gets you through the day. William769 Nov 2015 #110
Whatever gets YOU through the day! darkangel218 Nov 2015 #113
Hopeless Struggle. Alfresco Nov 2015 #104
Yup. For Hillary. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #105
Really? You think so? In South Carolina? Alfresco Nov 2015 #107
Everywhere! darkangel218 Nov 2015 #109
OK, I see, you are one of those. Alfresco Nov 2015 #112
I'm "one of those" darkangel218 Nov 2015 #114
Doesn't take long does it. William769 Nov 2015 #115
Nope, not for that one. Alfresco Nov 2015 #116
Most politicians refer to their campains in the third person Matariki Nov 2015 #100
He was referring to himself. bravenak Nov 2015 #101
No, his campaign is about more than just himself and he knows it. Matariki Nov 2015 #102
I trust the journalist to use the correct words. bravenak Nov 2015 #103
Bernie is not likely to win... MellowDem Nov 2015 #111

SunSeeker

(51,571 posts)
11. Bob Dole was (rightfully) mocked for referring to himself in the third person.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:42 AM
Nov 2015

It's awkward and creepy. Implies you think you're bigger than life or something. Probably makes you even less liked in the South. Southerners just don't talk like that. Come to think of it, few people do...

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
39. Usually it is wierd and creepy
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:31 AM
Nov 2015

But you can get away with it in certain circumstances like the one he used here when you're referring to other peoples impressions of you. It's a strange thing to bring up, its not like he does this regularly.

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
47. So the reader knows that he did so
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:26 AM
Nov 2015

and not that they (the reporter) made a grammatical error in quoting him.



Either that, or the reporter is a bloody handed corporatist warmongering oligarch.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
10. She is ready for the General
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:45 AM
Nov 2015

We only have one candidate that can win. Unions know it, blacks, women, hispanics...

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
12. You mean he "struggles" in a red state???
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:42 AM
Nov 2015

Then go blame the DNC , for restricting the number of debates, if people from SC don't know who he is!

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
15. Maybe because he doesn't have the Wall Street mulah behind him!!
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:45 AM
Nov 2015

Don't tell me you didn't figure that one out yet!

SunSeeker

(51,571 posts)
21. Reality is presidential campaigns cost money. Lots of money.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:27 AM
Nov 2015

The 2016 presidential race spending is expected to total $5 billion. That's not Hillary's fault. Thank goodness she has the cash for such a fight. Bernie would never stand a chance against the GOP cash in the general. He can't even get enough cash for this primary.

SunSeeker

(51,571 posts)
26. Yes, but she won't unilaterally disarm until that happens.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:50 AM
Nov 2015

Ask Russ Feingold how his unilateral disarmament worked out in 2010. He learned his lesson. For his 2016 race, he's allowing super pacs to help him.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
28. She should take the lead, shouldn't she???
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:51 AM
Nov 2015

Lead by example!!!

Why can't she do it?? She has the most money anyway!

SunSeeker

(51,571 posts)
31. She does not have more money than the GOP.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:03 AM
Nov 2015

It case you didn't notice, she is already running against the GOP right now. They will not "follow her lead" if she disarms. Ask Russ Feingold.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
32. So far she's running in the Primaries.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:06 AM
Nov 2015

She is not running against the GOP. She is running against Sanders and O'Malley!!

Wtf are you talking about??? The Primarie elections havent even started yet!!!!

Wtf!

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
34. Thats not the point.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:11 AM
Nov 2015

She would have answered those questions whether she was running for POTUS or not.

We have Democratic elections. She is not coronated. So no, she is not running against the repubs yet.

She is running against Sanders and O'Malley.

SunSeeker

(51,571 posts)
37. I suggest you have some warm milk and go to bed.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:17 AM
Nov 2015

If you really think that 11 hour GOP witch trial was not aimed at knocking down Hillary's candidacy for 2016, there is no point in me discussing anything with you.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
38. All I know is that the Primaries havent even started yet.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:21 AM
Nov 2015

Hillary will NOT be coroneted, she must earn her votes.

You go have some *warm milk and go to bed* (your words)

I'm fine, thanks . Take your condescending orders elsewhere.

SunSeeker

(51,571 posts)
41. Hillary will earn her votes.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:39 AM
Nov 2015

I just made a suggestion, since you sound so irritable. As you say, it's a free country. You can stay up all night if you want. I'm going to bed. I have work in the morning.

Good luck arguing with K & R ' s.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
45. I "sound irritable"??
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:02 AM
Nov 2015

Stop telling people what to do.

There is a big difference between a question and an order. Maybe you should not try to attempt ordering people around.

Have a great day.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,123 posts)
35. Bernie has the money
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:11 AM
Nov 2015

Bernie talks about inividual donations all the time. The campaign has to budget in a very strategic way how to spend it. If he wins New Hampshire, there will be plenty of time to make SC a horse race.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
36. Hillary obviously has more mulah,
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:12 AM
Nov 2015

Since SC voters haven't even heard of Bernie yet (per OP)

So what gives??

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,123 posts)
46. read this. it says much about the American electorate
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:10 AM
Nov 2015
This problem goes far deeper than better techniques for getting out the vote. It reflects a massive decay of civil society, a deep disinterest and contempt for government and politics, one that often seems richly earned.
This is also the soil in which fascism grows. As political scientists have demonstrated for more than a century, it is "mass society," in which people are disconnected from the "little platoons" beloved of Edmund Burke and the local associations celebrated by Toqueville, where a strongman can suddenly seem the solution to people's inchoate frustrations with their own lives and the irrelevance of politics.
And evidently, the quiet desperation and buried rage are such that the crazier the strongman's pronouncements, the better. (Cue Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Ted Cruz.)


http://huff.to/1PIYcHe

dsc

(52,162 posts)
54. He struggles in a red state among Democrats
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:36 AM
Nov 2015

you do realize that there are some of them there, right?

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
16. For what??
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:49 AM
Nov 2015

Because he can't debate Hillary due to the DNC restrictions??
And because he doesn't have the Wall Street and super pac interest money Hilary does??

Please!!!

You well know that restricting the number of the debates was detrimental to Sanders!
Hillary even refused to attend the Forum scheduled on Tuesday! She's afraid to speak , becausd when she speaks , her poll stats go down.





 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
18. Lol...
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:13 AM
Nov 2015

It's sad really. But funny at the same time. When you claim to kick a thread only because of who's posting it.


Have at it!!


 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
86. No ....you are on a select list of posters I do not deign to answer questions from.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:23 PM
Nov 2015

It's like an enhanced ignore button.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
59. The results....
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:35 AM
Nov 2015

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peacebird

(14,195 posts)
51. Bernie was referring to "We, the People" when he sais "we have our work cut out for us", not himself
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:06 AM
Nov 2015

In the third person. He has consistently said this is not change he alone can bring, it will take all of us.

The author of the article may not have followed Bernie closely enough to know that, but Bravenak surely knew this was a distortion and untrue when chosing that phrase to bold.

ismnotwasm

(41,989 posts)
60. Third Person Bernie
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:39 AM
Nov 2015

It never suprises me that he struggles, the depth of the struggle is also not surprising. What I'm curious about is how he will respond. There are interventions he could do to improve those numbers, it would be nice to see him try. He implies that he will.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
61. I'm waiting too. To see a solution.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:42 AM
Nov 2015

If he wants to be a leader, he has to solve problems better than this.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
62. Third Person, Second Place.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:48 AM
Nov 2015

That grates on my nerves. (Also his speaking quirks and other mannerisms are as off-putting and annoying to me as those of GWB.)

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
63. For many of us, South Carolina is hostile territory. Very strongly anti gay and antisemitic, hugely
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:49 AM
Nov 2015

conservative State. Winning SC is like proving yourself with bigots. In '08 SC was where Bill Clinton got most racist and where Obama held his rallies with hateful anti gay preachers. After SC in 08 I lost respect for both candidates, for the process, for their advisers, their ethics and for South Carolina.
SC kept homosexuality illegal until 2003 when the SCOTUS made them stop.

Antisemitism is also a constant in SC, I offer mainstream Republican rhetoric spoken in defense of Jim deMint:
"There is a saying that the Jews who are wealthy got that way not by watching dollars, but instead by taking care of the pennies and the dollars taking care of themselves."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/19/794998/-

And of course mass killer Dylan Roof who blamed Jewish agitation for racism in America:
""In my opinion the issues with jews is not their blood, but their identity. I think that if we could somehow destroy the jewish identity, then they wouldn't cause much of a problem. The problem is that Jews look White, and in many cases are White, yet they see themselves as minorities."
http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/1.662174


Let's add this one:
SC Governor Names White Nationalist to Reelection Committee
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2013/05/22/sc-governor-names-white-nationalist-reelection-committee

So Bernie is struggling in South Carolina? He's sure not the first minority to do so, and he won't be the last either. Hostile territory.




 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
66. But you seem to celebrate that hostility toward Bernie. I think bias motivated hostility is a very
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 10:03 AM
Nov 2015

bad thing.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
67. Referring to yourself in the third person....
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 10:14 AM
Nov 2015

.... Is called illesism, and it's odd.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illeism

"illeism can be used to reinforce self-promotion, as used to sometimes comic effect by Bob Dole throughout his political career.[2] This was particularly made notable during the United States presidential election, 1996 and lampooned broadly in popular media for years afterwards.

Similarly illeism is used with an air of grandeur, to give the speaker lofty airs. Idiosyncratic and conceited people are known to either use or are lampooned as using illeism to puff themselves up or illustrate their egoism. The artist Salvador Dalí used illeism throughout his interview with Mike Wallace on The Mike Wallace Interview, punctuating it with "Dalí is immortal and will not die," although this may have been a reference to the legacy of his art rather than his actual self. The wrestler The Rock was notorious for this, mainly to enhance his persona to a superhuman level. Deepanjana Pal of Firstpost noted that speaking in the third person "is a classic technique used by generations of Bollywood scriptwriters to establish a character’s aristocracy, power and gravitas."[3] Conversely, third-person self referral can be associated with self-irony and not taking oneself too seriously (since the excessive use of preposition "I" is a common sign of narcissism and egocentrism[citation needed]), as well as with eccentricity in general."

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
77. And they will go Republican in the general.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:34 PM
Nov 2015

I think it's weird that our primary schedule puts a lot of Republican states early in the schedule. Yeah, Hillary may win the primaries in Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, but she (or any other Dem) isn't going to win those states.

The largest Democratic state by far is California, and we really don't even get a say. It's usually all over by the time of our primary.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
78. She may win one or two of those states.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:35 PM
Nov 2015

I cannot think of more than a few states she won't win in the primary. He would have an even tougher time down South.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
85. Granted, any Dem will have hard time winning in red states. That's why they're red states.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:20 PM
Nov 2015

So why are we letting red states determine the Democratic nominee?

I say this as a Sanders partisan in this election, but it's always like that.

I think we need a series of regional primaries, or all primaries on the same day, or something like that.

Why does the Democratic state with the most electoral votes (California) basically get no say at all? We don't even vote until June.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
89. Why shouldn't democrats in Red States have a say?
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:09 PM
Nov 2015

Lots of blacks down that way, we do not need to be disenfranchising anybody ahd letting the northern or western states do all the deciding. Not fair. My state gets no say ever.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
81. Having lived in the Black community most of my adult life I'm pretty sure
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:44 PM
Nov 2015

he's not too popular with Blacks at least so we're told because of he's a socialist.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
82. And because we use the internet. Seriously. Everyone I know that cares about politics, talks about
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:01 PM
Nov 2015

that. It seems like some think we just live like it's the 90's, but I have had so many people talk about the online stuff. They take one look at the comments sections, in articles about Hillary or whomever. If the article is positive about hillary? My god. The nasty things said. Not by repubs either.

For a while the commenters had FLOODED black blogs and news sources in the comments sections. It is the main thing that comes up when his name comes up if they even know about him. Not socialism. They talk about the comments. Comments made to them, to others, stuff they read on Twitter. My favorite thing? NOBODY BELIEVES ANY OF US when we say that is the main problem. Funniest thing about the entire thing. Do not believe the actual people as to why they won't give him the time of day. Some woukd rather just blame us for not liking it ahd staying clear of that type of campaign. Hell, if not for that, even I would still be voting Bernie. But to help THOSE folks win in any type of way? Goodness. Why? If that's what he likes he can have it without me for sure. Now that I'm being called nwords and the person is being honored, well, okay, I guess I made the exact right choice. Not that I blame him, cause I don't. But join that? Oh no. No no no no no no no. No. Socialism? Yeah. Not discussed at all really. Too many comments to discuss. Been going on for months. Too funny.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
84. oh believe me I hear all the antisocialism stuff with some frequency
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:00 PM
Nov 2015

in fact even though I had never heard of it as such before DU, some is even direct quotes from the Protocols of the Elders of Socialism

eta don't even begin to claim I am saying this is the sole reason for the alleged lack of support for Bernie Sanders in the Black community bit it is one factor and may well be in the broad spectrum of people too

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
90. Well, I am black and socialism polls better with US.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:33 PM
Nov 2015

And no matter how many times blacks say exactly what they problem is, people WILL not believe them and will simply make shit up that makes them feel better and makes it so they have to do absolutely no work on themselves or their crew. Hilarious.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
87. And, most likely, a southern sweep for the GOP next November.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:23 PM
Nov 2015

Maybe we should choose our nominee in states that actually vote Democratic. Or at least give them a meaningful voice.

Alfresco

(1,698 posts)
88. It's very likely Hillary will carry Florida.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:39 PM
Nov 2015

And if tRump is the GOP nominee anything could happen.
I have every confidence Hillary Clinton will be our next President.
They (D states) will have a say if our next president is a Dem. or Repug.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
108. Let's go back to your little Titanic pic when Hillary loses the nomination.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:18 PM
Nov 2015


And Btw, landline polls are no longer representative of the truth, since so many people no longer have landlines. Majority of internet polls favor BERNIE!!

Cheers!



William769

(55,147 posts)
110. Whatever gets you through the day.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:22 PM
Nov 2015

" Majority of internet polls favor BERNIE!!" the one's where the same people can sit there all day hitting the button over & over for Bernie skewing the poll!

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
100. Most politicians refer to their campains in the third person
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:02 PM
Nov 2015

including Obama. It acknowledges all the people working with them.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
102. No, his campaign is about more than just himself and he knows it.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:07 PM
Nov 2015

Same could be said every time Obama uses 3rd person.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
111. Bernie is not likely to win...
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:24 PM
Nov 2015

And it will be depressing for many to be reminded how conservative our country, and the Democratic Party, are. South Carolina is one of the most conservative for sure.

I already have a good idea of just how conservative the Democratic Party is, so it won't surprise me, but it's still saddening.

I think the recent votes by many Democrats to stop Syrian refugees and the whole gay marriage keruffufle shows just how spineless Democratic leaders are and how bigoted much of the Democratic Party is.

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